<That's just the way Martin, Terri, Yoli (and their myriad nicks) want
it.  They relish in it.  But it sickens the rest of us, at least it
sickens the few of us who remain out of conviction.>
Who is the "rest of us"?  From what I see, the only people backing

From the TSMB  (Tinnitus Support Message Board)
This guy Nagler is a laugh a minute!  Read This!
"Seems we are having "last words" - so please let me set the record
straight here as a "last word" as well.

Forget all those others...I was rambling...I was drugged up....I was
drinking.
Forget that too...I don't drink and I don't take drugs. Damn it Jim,
I'm a doctor, not a mechanic!

Here are some of Nagler's choice words to tinnitus sufferers.
Remember, these were all stated when he was the Chairman of the
American Tinnitus Association.
NOTE: The first one was posted May 14th, 2003. Nothing has changed and

Found this in the archives, did this guy Yoli report Nagler for this?:
"This now becomes awkward - as if it weren't already.
Mr. Yoli says he received no "counseling" from me.  His chart in my
office - including one two-day visit, a subsequent one-day visit, and

I often read that Xanax is used to suppress T. What dose dou you out there
use and how often the day? I shall combine it with an antidepressivum:
Remeron (Mirtazapine) which i have to take at bedtime (30 mg).
Thanks for replies,

I'm thinking that if a newbie comes for the first time in that group
suffering from T, and that condition is there all the time, driving you to
insanity, well to come back to the newbie, he will feel like entering, an
arena with lions ready to eat him alive, wondering, is that ...

this is still probably the best TRT discussion site.
Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com
http://www.hydromedonline.com/presentingthehydropulse/

I saw the following from that nut job, Stephen Nagler, supposedly an
MD on another support board:............................
______________________________________________________________________________
"Seems we are having "last words" - so please let me set the record

79 posts from the same trolls on the same non subject in 3 hours.  If you would
please not feed the animals it might be possible to get on with a discussion of
tinnitus.
Murray Grossan, M.D.

One is well advised to never use their real name or admit to their
real name on this newsgroup so long as some here threaten you.
What we have here is yet another apparent threat from Nagler and his
having no idea what he is speaking about. He cannot even differentiate

Bombs are going off in Israel and little babies and children are being
killed.
Our borders are being invaded by a virus that is sinking our
civilization's safety net.

Nagler, if you can list the reasons why I specifically should
apologize to you I would like to do so. But you have to be specific.
And truth is a defense so I will not apologize for what can be shown
to be true, or for an opinion that I hold as I am allowed to hold

Hi.  I was interested to see that the ATA recently awarded a large grant to
study the effects of music on tinnitus....it appears that the researcher wishes
to explore the idea of using music instead of white noise therapy for the
purposes of habituation.

Who is this guy Stephen Nagler, and why does everyone seem to hate him so much?
Is he really a doctor, or just some internet troll?
kelly