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Re: For Bill -- One Reasonable Citation

Mike Tyner03 Jul 2009 16:28
> selected themselves to get glasses. The only harm I can see is that the
> refraction measurement process itself is harmful.

Myopia studies like COMET are done with cycloplegic drops to eliminate
accommodation. That's the only complication or risk.

Cycloplegics are used because excessive accommodation is common. Some say
it's ubiquitous in a population 10-20 years old.

Nobody has figured out how to reduce axial length or flatten the optics,
short of surgery.

-MT

Salmon Egg03 Jul 2009 15:42
In article
<1a1b3693-710f-4d27-93ce-5cb4a579b034@c9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,

> Otis> Further you ask for the "loaded" question, "on reasonable
> citation."  Here is the start of that process:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> understand this paper.  Futher, he MIGHT be interested in being part
> of a scientific/preventive process under HIS CONTROL.

OK. Take data from the study j  2. Schaeffel., F. Glasser, A. Howland,
H. C., "Accommodation, Refractive Error and Eye Growth in Chickens",
Vision Res., Vol 28, No 5, pp. 639-657 (1988), Better yet would be some
study using human subjects. Figure out what the best constants are for
your analog computer of Figure 6. Plot results as shown in your Figure 7
or Figure 8. Superimpose the data from a study onto one of these plots.
Then we will be able to see how well theory matches experiment. That
kind of thing is done all the time for peer reviewed papers.

Taking such data is not subjecting people to the forced implantation of
unwanted lenses. In essence, the experimental human subjects will have
selected themselves to get glasses. The only harm I can see is that the
refraction measurement process itself is harmful.

Bill

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Otis03 Jul 2009 14:23
Dear Bill,

As you know, it is never "ONE" experiment that will change the mind of
an engineer. He must review the objective facts concerning the dynamic
behavior of the eye -- to make HIS CHOICE or JUDGMENT.  Science is
always about that issue.  But, here is my citation (analytical) for
Soon's PREVENTIVE curve.

Bill>  For now,Otis, give me one reasonable citation to support Soon's
work.
Although my inclination is to believe what you say, my scientific
roots
tell me that inclination is insufficient. A peer reviewed citation is
necessary.

Otis> My papers on the dynamic eye were "peer reviewed".  After
acceptance I delivered them and they were published.  The key issue is
the question, "who are my peers"?  Since the issue of the natural
eye's dynamic behavior is engineering/science, clearly my peers are
not medical people.

Otis> Further you ask for the "loaded" question, "on reasonable
citation."  Here is the start of that process:

http://www.i-see.org/otis_brown/chapter_03.html

I think a engineer/scientist (at 20/60, and -1 diopters) could
understand this paper.  Futher, he MIGHT be interested in being part
of a scientific/preventive process under HIS CONTROL.

Enjoy,

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