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Re: The Scientific Basis of Soon's Graph

Salmon Egg30 Jun 2009 20:31
This would be primarily aimed at Otis.

The Soon curve was first brought to my attention by Otis. At this time I
do not know if this is purported as actual measurement or not. Please
answer:

1.  Is the Soon curve as presented supposed to be experimental fact?
Yes/No

2.  Is the Soon curve as presented the way an experimental result is to
be expected? Yes/No

Bill

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Dr Judy30 Jun 2009 15:00
[some comments about the cost of obtaining copies of published papers]

You have strayed from the topic of this thread which is the
"Scientific Basis of Soon's Graph".  Interesting a Flitcrofts's paper
is, as I said in my previous post:

"Flitcroft states that poor accommodation function may lead to
increased myopia with near work.  He does not mention use of minus
lenses to correct myopia as a factor, nor does he say anything about
"stair case myopia", nor does his paper support Soon's Graph.

Poor accommodation function and steady state errors exist with or
without myopia and minus lenses.  Wearing plus at near will not
improve poor accommodation, nor will wearing minus make good function
turn into poor function.

And his paper is speculative, not measured.  Do you have any actual
measured evidence to support Soon's Graph?"

Judy

Otis30 Jun 2009 01:46
Dear Judy,

Subject:  Publication Costs.

As you know, there is an effort to get any "U.S. Goverment Funded
Study" to be published on the "net" -- for free.

The idea is that the taxpayer (You and I) have paid for it, why should
we  have to pay $30 for research we already paid for.

It would be easy to write this into funding requests to the National
Eye Institute.

In this case, however, I don't think this was the case.

I have received a copy of the paper by Flitcroft, and think it is
EXCELLENT.

I think that ANY SERIOUS PREVEIVE STUDY -- should be required to read
and discuss this paper -- before any preventive effort was started.

Thus the person could NEVER be considered a "subject", or a "patient",
but a co-reseacher in the science of the dynamic behavior of the eye
-- as he would measure it.

Science and second-opinion best,

> > Subject: The Scientific Basis of Soon’s Graph.
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Dr Judy27 Jun 2009 03:31
> Subject: The Scientific Basis of Soon’s Graph.
>
> Perhaps this paper is on the “Web”.  Maybe some of you could find it?

Costs about $30 to read via Elsevier

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9797983

> Vision Research 38 (1998) 2869 – 2879
>
> A Model of the contribution of oculomotor and optical factors to
> emmetropization and myopia.
>
> D. I. Flitcroft

Otis26 Jun 2009 13:10
Subject: The Scientific Basis of Soon’s Graph.

Re:  Ophthalmologist D. I. Flitcroft’s Analytic Paper of the
Fundamental Eye's Dynamic Behavior

Soon’s graphs are simplification and clarification of developing
scientific and medical thinking about the behavior of the fundamental
eye.

Thus, while denied by the majority-opinion optometrists, they are
analyzed ophthalmologists.

For the record, here is the paper.  Since many of you don’t like the
concept of prevention, and to respect Dr. D. I. Flitcroft, let us just
call this the professional (preventive) second-opinion, and thus avoid
the endless personal attacks that have no place in science.

Perhaps this paper is on the “Web”.  Maybe some of you could find it?

VISION RESEARCH

PERGAMON

Vision Research 38 (1998) 2869 – 2879

A Model of the contribution of oculomotor and optical factors to
emmetropization and myopia.

D. I. Flitcroft

INSTITUTE OF OPHTHALMOLOGY
University College Dublin
60 Eccles Street
Dublin 7, Ireland

ABSTRACT:

The purpose of this work was to investigate quantitatively the
interactions between accommodation, vergence and a mechanism of
emmetropization driven by optical blur within the retinal image with a
view to developing a model that provides and explanation of both
normal emmetropization and near-work associated myopia…..

I would recommend that anyone who wishes to challenge Soon’s graph
(which is an extension of this paper, obtain the paper and READ IT.

Enjoy,

Otis

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