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Re: In denial
| drfrank21@gmail.com | 31 Dec 2006 22:21 |
> Well, I would think that a .25 cyl doesn't qualify as a significant > refractive error any more than a single sneeze qualifies as an upper > respiratory infection. But a -2.00 cyl certainly is an ICD 367.21 and > can cause a lot of suffering for the patient.. Not what I asked. Do you consider ametropia a disease (no matter what degree) and do you tell your your patients that they are suffering a disease? I'm not trying to be confrontational here but curious. Wouldn't that mean that refracting opticians are diagnosing and treating eye disease?
A -2.00 uncorrected cyl can cause some asthenopia but I don't consider that "suffering"- I've had patients in the past that have been asymptomatic with this amount as well.
Happy new years!
frank
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| William Stacy | 31 Dec 2006 01:59 |
>Now I have to tell little "Billy's" mom that her son has a disease. >Doesn't [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Well, I would think that a .25 cyl doesn't qualify as a significant refractive error any more than a single sneeze qualifies as an upper respiratory infection. But a -2.00 cyl certainly is an ICD 367.21 and can cause a lot of suffering for the patient...
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| drfrank21@gmail.com | 31 Dec 2006 01:33 |
> Well, refractive errors have disease codes (ICD), and would certainly > seem to qualify as something that can cause discomfort and/or disability. I guess I learn something new every day. Never considered refractive error as a pathology/disease as opposed to a condition.
Now I have to tell little "Billy's" mom that her son has a disease. Doesn't matter that he only has a quarter cyIinder; poor kid is still suffering with a disease. Is that how you explain it to your patients? How do you keep them from having their jaws drop to the floor?
> To say that driving is the "only" danger for uncorrected ametropes is > definitely wrong. Consder flying, crane operation, baseball, machine > shop work, carpentry, I could go on but you get the idea... You forgot shooting a gun and putting on make-up. ;)
frank
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| William Stacy | 30 Dec 2006 22:33 |
>I don't consider a refractive error a "disease". It is not a >health/sight threatening [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >uncorrected. > Well, refractive errors have disease codes (ICD), and would certainly seem to qualify as something that can cause discomfort and/or disability.
To say that driving is the "only" danger for uncorrected ametropes is definitely wrong. Consder flying, crane operation, baseball, machine shop work, carpentry, I could go on but you get the idea...
w.stacy, o.d.
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| drfrank21@gmail.com | 30 Dec 2006 19:36 |
> > What do you do when you get a patient whose in denial about needing glasses? > > My friend obviously can barely see past her nose but won't wear them, it just [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the legal driving requirements, I report that to the MOT and inform the > patient that she must legally use them driving. I don't consider a refractive error a "disease". It is not a health/sight threatening situation to the person (assuming the person is an adult and no danger of developing amblyopia).The person is only a danger when driving (if not meeting the dmv requirements) and should realize that she/he places own self and others in harms way while driving uncorrected.
frank
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| Dr Judy | 30 Dec 2006 17:47 |
> What do you do when you get a patient whose in denial about needing glasses? > My friend obviously can barely see past her nose but won't wear them, it just > seems so stupid and I don't know how to help. We simply remind ourselves: "The patient has the disease". In other words, if the patient is not motivated to comply with/use a therapy, non compliance is the patient's problem. If he patient does not meet the legal driving requirements, I report that to the MOT and inform the patient that she must legally use them driving.
You can't help; if poor vision does't bother your friend it shouldn't bother you and nothing you can do will make her wear them. Don't get in a car with her if she drives without them.
Dr Judy
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| Kerryn | 30 Dec 2006 06:01 |
What do you do when you get a patient whose in denial about needing glasses? My friend obviously can barely see past her nose but won't wear them, it just seems so stupid and I don't know how to help.
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