Re: Americans getting too fat for eye exams too.
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Re: Americans getting too fat for eye exams too.
| Aula | 29 Jul 2006 20:31 |
>. > > It's debateable whether they cause obesity on their own or whether > it's simply a matter of the person over eating as an effect of the > depression. I've worked in mental health for 25+ years and have observed many individuals fight weight gain on these meds, fail to comply with the meds because of the weight gain, and actually become more depressed because of the weight gain. In all the cases of which I had good information on their eating habits [I was working in a residential treatment center at that time] I can attest to the fact that they were not bingeing nor did their caloric intake increase. There were several who decreased their caloric intake and/or increased their physical activity in an attempt to control or diminish the weight gain, often with little success. It is unfair and potentially harmful to their treatment progress to blame them for their weight gains. Some meds have side effects that can be somewhat mitigated but not always effectively controlled. It would appear that the known effect of SSRI's on a person's weight is one of those.
-Aula
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| Ann | 29 Jul 2006 16:58 |
>> Are you talking about SSRI's that it seems half the population takes? > >There is a significant number of folks taking anti-depressants, but perhaps >they may need them. Either side of that question - yes, I'm talking about >those meds. It's debateable whether they cause obesity on their own or whether it's simply a matter of the person over eating as an effect of the depression.
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| Aula | 28 Jul 2006 20:27 |
> Are you talking about SSRI's that it seems half the population takes? There is a significant number of folks taking anti-depressants, but perhaps they may need them. Either side of that question - yes, I'm talking about those meds.
-Aula
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| Dr. Leukoma | 28 Jul 2006 12:55 |
> > Sounds like an excuse to me. Drugs don't make you fat. > > Perhaps you are unfamiliar with several psychotropic meds that are known to > have that side effect, even with close controls placed on caloric intake. > > -aula Are you talking about SSRI's that it seems half the population takes?
DrG
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| Aula | 28 Jul 2006 02:06 |
> Sounds like an excuse to me. Drugs don't make you fat. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with several psychotropic meds that are known to have that side effect, even with close controls placed on caloric intake.
-aula
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| Ann | 27 Jul 2006 23:56 |
>> > Maybe refer them to a diet tech? Obesisty is an epidemic just like >> > myopia is, but at least you can lose weight much easier than lose [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >asthma and other problems and the medicines she takes. She does not >overeat. Sounds like an excuse to me. Drugs don't make you fat. Steroids, often given for asthma, usually increase the appetite leading to overeating.
Ann
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| acemanvx@yahoo.com | 27 Jul 2006 10:05 |
> > Maybe refer them to a diet tech? Obesisty is an epidemic just like > > myopia is, but at least you can lose weight much easier than lose > > diopters. > > It depends on the cause of the obesity. Correct, but usually its due to excess intake of calories and lack of exercise. Less often it can be due to some medicines, thyrod or metabolism problems. I had a teacher who was quite obese, short and 220 pounds(my guess/estimate) and she once explained that it was due to her asthma and other problems and the medicines she takes. She does not overeat.
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| Aula | 27 Jul 2006 10:00 |
> Maybe refer them to a diet tech? Obesisty is an epidemic just like > myopia is, but at least you can lose weight much easier than lose > diopters. It depends on the cause of the obesity.
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| acemanvx@yahoo.com | 27 Jul 2006 09:29 |
> <http://tinyurl.com/mx6m3> > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > And I thought this was only me noticing this alarming trend. Maybe refer them to a diet tech? Obesisty is an epidemic just like myopia is, but at least you can lose weight much easier than lose diopters.
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| Anon E. Muss | 27 Jul 2006 02:26 |
<http://tinyurl.com/mx6m3>
| Study: More Americans too fat for X-rays, scans | Obesity hurting accuracy of images, doctors say. | | Wednesday, July 26, 2006; Posted: 9:11 p.m. EDT (01:11 GMT) | | MRI machines with larger-bore openings are in demand, a reflection of | increasing obesity in America. | | WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- More and more obese people are unable to get | full medical care because they are either too big to fit into | scanners, or their fat is too dense for X-rays or sound waves to | penetrate, radiologists reported Tuesday. I'd like to add to the following to that list of devices:
o Slit-lamps
I've had quite a few patients I've had to refer out for direct gonioscopy because they couldn't fit behind the slit-lamp. Or you don't get the testing done. Bringing a patient down to the OR to perform Koeppe gonioscopy with a counterbalanced gonioscope costs big bucks. Most hospitals don't have one -- you have to typically go to a University ophthalmology residency clinic.
And optic nerve/retinal nerve fiber layer evaluation with a +14D or MaculaPlus using a head-mounted BIO is not nearly as nice as using a contact fundus lens or Super66 non-contact fundus lens at a slit-lamp because patients can't get their forehead close enough to the front of the slit-lamp for me to obtain or sustain clear focus.
Same thing for Goldmann tonometry. I can't count the number of times having a TonoPen has alllowed me to check IOPs when I couldn't do it with a slit-lamp Goldmann.
Good luck to ophthalmologists trying to perform ALT/SLTs on these pateints. Well, they can bill more for trabeculectomies anyways :(.
Hand-held slit-lamps are a poor substitute.
If this trend keeps up, I expect to start having problems at the perimeter.
And I thought this was only me noticing this alarming trend.
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