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Re: Americans getting too fat for eye exams too.

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Re: Americans getting too fat for eye exams too.

Dick Adams29 Jul 2006 17:57
> But, I do remember that the fat girls almost always wore glasses.
> (Now, with contacts, lassie, and Oils, it is not longer possible to
> draw generalizations.)

Oops -- spellchecker going wild again.

(Now, with contacts, lasik, and IOLs, it is not longer possible to
draw generalizations.)

--
-d.

Dick Adams29 Jul 2006 17:51
> It's debateable whether they cause obesity on their own or whether
> it's simply a matter of the person over eating as an effect of the
> depression.

It can be quite depressing to realize that the OD, being, these days,
a Professional, who does many of the Professional things that an
opthamologist conventionally did, and who is consumed with the
complexities of pandering contact lenses and remedies for their
vagaries and pathological disadvantages, has very little time for
such things as refractions, and frequently can not be bothered
(assuming he does his own refractions) to tune to much better than
20/30, for the customer wanting ordinary inexpensive eyeglasses.

Possibly the prevalence of fat customers, who do not physically fit
the equipment, is, to some extent, of his own doing.  That, of course,
does beg the question that refractive error indirectly engenders
overeating.

But, I do remember that the fat girls almost always wore glasses.
(Now, with contacts, lassie, and Oils, it is not longer possible to
draw generalizations.)

--
Dicky

--
Dicky

Ann29 Jul 2006 16:58
>> Are you talking about SSRI's that it seems half the population takes?
>
>There is a significant number of folks taking anti-depressants, but perhaps
>they may need them.  Either side of that question - yes, I'm talking about
>those meds.

It's debateable whether they cause obesity on their own or whether
it's simply a matter of the person over eating as an effect of the
depression.

Aula28 Jul 2006 20:27
> Are you talking about SSRI's that it seems half the population takes?

There is a significant number of folks taking anti-depressants, but perhaps
they may need them.  Either side of that question - yes, I'm talking about
those meds.

-Aula

Dr. Leukoma28 Jul 2006 12:55
> > Sounds like an excuse to me.  Drugs don't make you fat.
>
> Perhaps you are unfamiliar with several psychotropic meds that are known to
> have that side effect, even with close controls placed on caloric intake.
>
> -aula

Are you talking about SSRI's that it seems half the population takes?

DrG

Aula28 Jul 2006 02:06
> Sounds like an excuse to me.  Drugs don't make you fat.

Perhaps you are unfamiliar with several psychotropic meds that are known to
have that side effect, even with close controls placed on caloric intake.

-aula

Ann27 Jul 2006 23:56
>> > Maybe refer them to a diet tech? Obesisty is an epidemic just like
>> > myopia is, but at least you can lose weight much easier than lose
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>asthma and other problems and the medicines she takes. She does not
>overeat.

Sounds like an excuse to me.  Drugs don't make you fat.  Steroids,
often given for asthma, usually increase the appetite leading to
overeating.

Ann

acemanvx@yahoo.com27 Jul 2006 10:05
> > Maybe refer them to a diet tech? Obesisty is an epidemic just like
> > myopia is, but at least you can lose weight much easier than lose
> > diopters.
>
> It depends on the cause of the obesity.

Correct, but usually its due to excess intake of calories and lack of
exercise. Less often it can be due to some medicines, thyrod or
metabolism problems. I had a teacher who was quite obese, short and 220
pounds(my guess/estimate) and she once explained that it was due to her
asthma and other problems and the medicines she takes. She does not
overeat.

Aula27 Jul 2006 10:00
> Maybe refer them to a diet tech? Obesisty is an epidemic just like
> myopia is, but at least you can lose weight much easier than lose
> diopters.

It depends on the cause of the obesity.

acemanvx@yahoo.com27 Jul 2006 09:29
> <http://tinyurl.com/mx6m3>
>
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
>
> And I thought this was only me noticing this alarming trend.

Maybe refer them to a diet tech? Obesisty is an epidemic just like
myopia is, but at least you can lose weight much easier than lose
diopters.

Anon E. Muss27 Jul 2006 02:26
<http://tinyurl.com/mx6m3>

| Study: More Americans too fat for X-rays, scans
| Obesity hurting accuracy of images, doctors say.
|
| Wednesday, July 26, 2006; Posted: 9:11 p.m. EDT (01:11 GMT)
|
| MRI machines with larger-bore openings are in demand, a reflection of
| increasing obesity in America.
|
| WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- More and more obese people are unable to get
| full medical care because they are either too big to fit into
| scanners, or their fat is too dense for X-rays or sound waves to
| penetrate, radiologists reported Tuesday.

I'd like to add to the following to that list of devices:

o  Slit-lamps

I've had quite a few patients I've had to refer out for direct
gonioscopy because they couldn't fit behind the slit-lamp.  Or you
don't get the testing done.  Bringing a patient down to the OR to
perform Koeppe gonioscopy with a counterbalanced gonioscope costs big
bucks.  Most hospitals don't have one -- you have to typically go to a
University ophthalmology residency clinic.

And optic nerve/retinal nerve fiber layer evaluation with a +14D or
MaculaPlus using a head-mounted BIO is not nearly as nice as using a
contact fundus lens or Super66 non-contact fundus lens at a slit-lamp
because patients can't get their forehead close enough to the front of
the slit-lamp for me to obtain or sustain clear focus.

Same thing for Goldmann tonometry.  I can't count the number of times
having a TonoPen has alllowed me to check IOPs when I couldn't do it
with a slit-lamp Goldmann.

Good luck to ophthalmologists trying to perform ALT/SLTs on these
pateints.  Well, they can bill more for trabeculectomies anyways :(.

Hand-held slit-lamps are a poor substitute.

If this trend keeps up, I expect to start having problems at the
perimeter.

And I thought this was only me noticing this alarming trend.

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