Re: Timolol vs Istalol
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Re: Timolol vs Istalol
| Anon E. Muss | 22 Jun 2006 18:14 |
>> I do, however, in general, tend to prescribe newer medications because >> they have advantages over older medications. > >In some cases, they are deadlier until they get recalled. Certainly. And in some cases, older non-recalled medications are deadlier.
>> Likewise, I tend to use more modern lens designs/coatings, >> because they have advantages over older designs. > >That is what the reps tell you, right? What else do they do >for you? Check out: >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1 1649825&dopt=Abstract That could happen. It doesn't happen with me. I prescribe in the best interests of the patient.
>> (newer drug) can bemore efficacious, requires less frequent >> dosing, less side effects, etc. That is usually the reason new drugs >> come out, because they have advantages over old drugs. > >How about expiration of patents -- what do you think that is worth? <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sky_Is_Falling>
There is a difference between "worse case scenario" and "realistic worse case scenario".
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| Dick Adams | 22 Jun 2006 15:49 |
> I do, however, in general, tend to prescribe newer medications because > they have advantages over older medications. In some cases, they are deadlier until they get recalled.
> Likewise, I tend to use more modern lens designs/coatings, > because they have advantages over older designs. That is what the reps tell you, right? What else do they do for you? Check out: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1 1649825&dopt=Abstract
> (newer drug) can bemore efficacious, requires less frequent > dosing, less side effects, etc. That is usually the reason new drugs > come out, because they have advantages over old drugs. How about expiration of patents -- what do you think that is worth?
-- Dicky
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| Anon E. Muss | 22 Jun 2006 15:20 |
>It is not clear to me that higher cost is an indication of better >medication. I never meant to imply that.
I do, however, in general, tend to prescribe newer medications because they have advantages over older medications. Likewise, I tend to use more modern lens designs/coatings, because they have advantages over older designs.
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>In my opinion, I am not medically trained, there is good reason for a >physician to stick to prescribing old cheap and well tested drugs unless >there is a reason not to! Usually there are good reasons when I prescribe a newer drug versus an older one. It can be it more efficacious, requires less frequent dosing, less side effects, etc. That is usually the reason new drugs come out, because they have advantages over old drugs.
It is certainly also true that the newest drugs tend to cost the most.
>Best is not necessarily the latest. Correct.
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| Salmon Egg | 22 Jun 2006 05:16 |
On 6/21/06 6:31 PM, in article gasj92l2fei23rr1n8rqtqvj2rbv5mkigf@4ax.com,
> [snip] > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > It is up to the patient do let the doctor know if they prefer, say, > cost savings over a more convenient dosing schedule. It is not clear to me that higher cost is an indication of better medication. To mention one medication I have taken various NSAIDS over the years. Daypro, Vioxx, and Celebrex are just three that were expensive and useless (for me). I guess I lucked out that Vioxx and Celebrex were no good. Not only did they not work for pain relief but they badly upset my gastric system, the main justification for their high price. The most recent one that was half way decent (for me) and reasonably expensive, is meloxicam. It is available as a generic from Canada. If price were a problem for me, naproxen is just about as good as meloxicam.
In my opinion, I am not medically trained, there is good reason for a physician to stick to prescribing old cheap and well tested drugs unless there is a reason not to! Best is not necessarily the latest.
Bill -- Ferme le Bush
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| Anon E. Muss | 22 Jun 2006 01:31 |
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>I thank all who responded. No one mentioned the ubiquitous (sp) drug >salesmen who are in to the the doctor every time I'm there. I'll see >what happens when I tell him (again) about the cost.This is a very >well known and competent opthalmologist. I want to make it clear I think there is absolutely nothing wrong with a doctor prescribing the very best medication among several potential ones. In fact, that's what I think doctors *should* do, it is what I would want my doctor to do, and it's what I do.
It is up to the patient do let the doctor know if they prefer, say, cost savings over a more convenient dosing schedule.
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| Jim T. | 22 Jun 2006 00:01 |
>>My eye doc has recommended that I swith from Timolol to Istalol for my >>glaucoma. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Neil I thank all who responded. No one mentioned the ubiquitous (sp) drug salesmen who are in to the the doctor every time I'm there. I'll see what happens when I tell him (again) about the cost. This is a very well known and competent opthalmologist.
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| Neil Brooks | 21 Jun 2006 15:10 |
>My eye doc has recommended that I swith from Timolol to Istalol for my >glaucoma. >Problem is that in my drug plan Timolol costs me $3 foe 90 day supply, >and Istalol is $76!!! It's not in their "preferred list". >Is it worth it? My pressure seems to be under control, consistently >about 18 in both eyes. My "answer?"
Does your drug plan allow you to lobby to have drugs *added* to the formulary??
Many do.
Best of luck!
Neil
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| Jim T. | 21 Jun 2006 14:15 |
My eye doc has recommended that I swith from Timolol to Istalol for my glaucoma. Problem is that in my drug plan Timolol costs me $3 foe 90 day supply, and Istalol is $76!!! It's not in their "preferred list". Is it worth it? My pressure seems to be under control, consistently about 18 in both eyes.
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