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Re: Hospitals hit uninsured with highest bills
| Dave | 06 Jul 2009 02:54 |
> >> THis is a complete red herring. But, since you brought it up, ever > >> hear of COBRA? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > When I was laid off COBRA was "free"[*] for 6 months. I thought that > was standard. NO. COBRA is wicked expensive. How you got it free, I have no idea. But that is extremely unusual, possibly something set up by your previous employer? For most people, COBRA is incredibly expensive, so much so that it's not really an option.
> [*] "free" == same cost as my previous coverage. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >If you are THAT rich that you can afford COBRA, you might as well just pay > >cash for all your medical bills...even over-inflated hospital ills. -Dave
> Then get a cheaper insurance. Stop crying. The problem is, even with COBRA being wicked expensive, it IS the cheapest option, unless you can get group coverage. But then, you wouldn't even be eligible for COBRA. -Dave
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| krw | 06 Jul 2009 01:15 |
>> Then don't whine when you get hit with massive bills. Your choice, >> buck it up. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >in the past couple of years. Both times, COBRA was offered as an option. >An option that costs more than my mortgage payment. SIGNIFICANTLY more. When I was laid off COBRA was "free"[*] for 6 months. I thought that was standard.
[*] "free" == same cost as my previous coverage.
>From what I can tell, COBRA is not a real option at all, for anyone with >half a brain. Nobody is going to pay thousands of dollars a MONTH for >health insurance. If you can afford that, you don't need health insurance. >If you are THAT rich that you can afford COBRA, you might as well just pay >cash for all your medical bills...even over-inflated hospital bills. -Dave Then get a cheaper insurance. Stop crying.
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| Dave | 05 Jul 2009 21:05 |
> Then don't whine when you get hit with massive bills. Your choice, > buck it up. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > THis is a complete red herring. But, since you brought it up, ever > hear of COBRA? Yeah, heard of it. Unfortunately, I've had to change jobs a couple of times in the past couple of years. Both times, COBRA was offered as an option. An option that costs more than my mortgage payment. SIGNIFICANTLY more.
From what I can tell, COBRA is not a real option at all, for anyone with half a brain. Nobody is going to pay thousands of dollars a MONTH for health insurance. If you can afford that, you don't need health insurance. If you are THAT rich that you can afford COBRA, you might as well just pay cash for all your medical bills...even over-inflated hospital bills. -Dave
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| krw | 05 Jul 2009 18:52 |
>> <jdgra...@my-deja.com> wrote: >> >> On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 08:18:49 -0700 (PDT), "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >expenses and pay your salaries and keep your customers happy if you >expect to stay in business. It is "a couple of bucks", considering the losses they could expect and worse, those that they experienced. As it is, they're whining about being without insurance when they needed it. Too bad, shut up and pay.
>In my state, I couldn't find ANY >affordable insurance at all so had to just risk it for a while. Then don't whine when you get hit with massive bills. Your choice, buck it up.
>But >the main point was that the uninsured should not have to to pay higher >hospital rates. Your business doesn't get discounts for quantity?
>There's charity care if you're practically destitute, >but a lot of middle-class people who lost their jobs recently have no >choice but to go uninsured. THis is a complete red herring. But, since you brought it up, ever hear of COBRA?
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| John Graeme | 05 Jul 2009 18:35 |
> On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:45:52 -0700 (PDT), John Graeme > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > themselves over a couple of bucks (difference between policies). If > it were that important they should have been shopping *long* before.- Hide quoted text - It may not have been "a couple of bucks." If your insurance company raises your rates by 50%, for example (which is not uncommon), a small business may just not be able to afford it. Ideally, you'd have time to shop around, but it's not an ideal world--you have to meet your expenses and pay your salaries and keep your customers happy if you expect to stay in business. In my state, I couldn't find ANY affordable insurance at all so had to just risk it for a while. But the main point was that the uninsured should not have to to pay higher hospital rates. There's charity care if you're practically destitute, but a lot of middle-class people who lost their jobs recently have no choice but to go uninsured.
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| krw | 05 Jul 2009 17:03 |
>> On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 08:18:49 -0700 (PDT), "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >But understandable. The price of health insurance has become so >outrageous that some businesses just can't afford it. No it is certainly *not* understandable. One does not shoot themselves over a couple of bucks (difference between policies). If it were that important they should have been shopping *long* before.
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| John Graeme | 05 Jul 2009 16:45 |
> On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 08:18:49 -0700 (PDT), "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Double, since they likely also won't have any coverage for existing > conditions when (if) they get it back. But understandable. The price of health insurance has become so outrageous that some businesses just can't afford it.
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| krw | 04 Jul 2009 19:44 |
>> http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/health/2004-02-24-hospital-b... >> Hospitals sock uninsured with much bigger bills [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >That was goddam stupid. Double, since they likely also won't have any coverage for existing conditions when (if) they get it back.
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| Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS | 03 Jul 2009 15:18 |
> http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/health/2004-02-24-hospital-b... > Hospitals sock uninsured with much bigger bills > By Julie Appleby, USA TODAY
> Ed and Dianna Jellison let their business' health insurance lapse > while they shopped for a better price. That was goddam stupid.
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| John Graeme | 01 Jul 2009 14:29 |
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/health/2004-02-24-hospital-bills_x.htm Hospitals sock uninsured with much bigger bills By Julie Appleby, USA TODAY Ed and Dianna Jellison let their business' health insurance lapse while they shopped for a better price. But then Ed fell ill, spending 17 days in a Florida hospital as a viral infection ravaged his body.
Now the couple are fighting a $116,000 hospital bill, one they say could be as low as $25,000 if an insurance company were paying it.
The tough truth for patients like the Jellisons — who earn too much to qualify for charity care — is that they are often charged the highest prices for hospital services.
Few know that. And they're stunned when they learn.
"If they accept $25,000 from an insurance company on a routine basis, and what they're charging us for the same thing is $116,000, that's not fair, and it's not right," says Dianne, who closed the couple's roofing business and took a part-time job in a warehouse because Ed's illness left him disabled.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/health/2004-04-13-rising-hospital-costs _x.htm
"Rapidly rising hospital charges have placed hospitals in the spotlight. Critics say hospitals are unfairly using their growing clout in many markets and charging far more than it costs to provide services. Spending on hospital care is the fastest-growing segment of the nation's health care tab."
"Because most hospitals rely on government health payments for about 50% of their revenue, and private insurers who negotiate discounts for much of the rest, raising charges is one way hospitals can try to bring in additional money from individuals and insurers not covered by the discounts"
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Insurance/Insureyourhealth/P74840.asp Profit-hungry hospitals are overcharging consumers an estimated $10 billion a year. Some deliberately work to keep bills indecipherable. Here's how to fight back.
By Bankrate.com
American hospitals are fleecing patients out of billions of dollars annually, and experts say that while some of the overcharges are honest errors, many are deliberate.
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