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Re: Hospitals hit uninsured with highest bills

jigo13 Jul 2009 20:08
>>> Then don't whine when you get hit with massive bills.  Your choice,
>>> buck it up.
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> When I was laid off COBRA was "free"[*] for 6 months.  I thought that
> was standard.
[*] "free" == same cost as my previous coverage.

What the company paid for your usual coverage is far from "free."  It's
likely to run to thousands of dollars a year.  This at a time when you're
not working.  COBRA only applies to employers with 20 or more employees BTW.

krw06 Jul 2009 01:15
>> Then don't whine when you get hit with massive bills.  Your choice,
>> buck it up.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>in the past couple of years.   Both times, COBRA was offered as an option.
>An option that costs more than my mortgage payment.  SIGNIFICANTLY more.

When I was laid off COBRA was "free"[*] for 6 months.  I thought that
was standard.

[*] "free" == same cost as my previous coverage.

>From what I can tell, COBRA is not a real option at all, for anyone with
>half a brain.  Nobody is going to pay thousands of dollars a MONTH for
>health insurance.  If you can afford that, you don't need health insurance.
>If you are THAT rich that you can afford COBRA, you might as well just pay
>cash for all your medical bills...even over-inflated hospital bills.  -Dave

Then get a cheaper insurance.  Stop crying.

Dave05 Jul 2009 21:05
> Then don't whine when you get hit with massive bills.  Your choice,
> buck it up.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> THis is a complete red herring.  But, since you brought it up, ever
> hear of COBRA?

Yeah, heard of it.  Unfortunately, I've had to change jobs a couple of times
in the past couple of years.   Both times, COBRA was offered as an option.
An option that costs more than my mortgage payment.  SIGNIFICANTLY more.

From what I can tell, COBRA is not a real option at all, for anyone with
half a brain.  Nobody is going to pay thousands of dollars a MONTH for
health insurance.  If you can afford that, you don't need health insurance.
If you are THAT rich that you can afford COBRA, you might as well just pay
cash for all your medical bills...even over-inflated hospital bills.  -Dave

krw05 Jul 2009 18:52
>> <jdgra...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 08:18:49 -0700 (PDT), "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>expenses and pay your salaries and keep your customers happy if you
>expect to stay in business.  

It is "a couple of bucks", considering the losses they could expect
and worse, those that they experienced.  As it is, they're whining
about being without insurance when they needed it.  Too bad, shut up
and pay.

>In my state, I couldn't find ANY
>affordable insurance at all so had to  just risk it for a while.  

Then don't whine when you get hit with massive bills.  Your choice,
buck it up.

>But
>the main point was that the uninsured should not have to to pay higher
>hospital rates.  

Your business doesn't get discounts for quantity?

>There's charity care if you're practically destitute,
>but a lot of middle-class people who lost their jobs recently have no
>choice but to go uninsured.

THis is a complete red herring.  But, since you brought it up, ever
hear of COBRA?

John Graeme05 Jul 2009 18:35
> On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:45:52 -0700 (PDT), John Graeme
>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> themselves over a couple of bucks (difference between policies).  If
> it were that important they should have been shopping *long* before.- Hide quoted text -

It may not have been "a couple of bucks."  If your insurance company
raises your rates by 50%, for example (which is not uncommon), a small
business may just not be able to afford it.   Ideally, you'd have time
to shop around, but it's not an ideal world--you have to meet your
expenses and pay your salaries and keep your customers happy if you
expect to stay in business.  In my state, I couldn't find ANY
affordable insurance at all so had to  just risk it for a while.  But
the main point was that the uninsured should not have to to pay higher
hospital rates.  There's charity care if you're practically destitute,
but a lot of middle-class people who lost their jobs recently have no
choice but to go uninsured.

krw05 Jul 2009 17:03
>> On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 08:18:49 -0700 (PDT), "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
>>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>But understandable.  The price of health insurance has become so
>outrageous that some businesses just can't afford it.

No it is certainly *not* understandable.  One does not shoot
themselves over a couple of bucks (difference between policies).  If
it were that important they should have been shopping *long* before.

John Graeme05 Jul 2009 16:45
> On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 08:18:49 -0700 (PDT), "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Double, since they likely also won't have any coverage for existing
> conditions when (if) they get it back.

But understandable.  The price of health insurance has become so
outrageous that some businesses just can't afford it.

krw04 Jul 2009 19:44
>> http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/health/2004-02-24-hospital-b...
>> Hospitals sock uninsured with much bigger bills
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>
>That was goddam stupid.

Double, since they likely also won't have any coverage for existing
conditions when (if) they get it back.

Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS03 Jul 2009 15:18
> http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/health/2004-02-24-hospital-b...
> Hospitals sock uninsured with much bigger bills
> By Julie Appleby, USA TODAY

> Ed and Dianna Jellison let their business' health insurance lapse
> while they shopped for a better price.

That was goddam stupid.

John Graeme01 Jul 2009 14:29
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/health/2004-02-24-hospital-bills_x.htm
Hospitals sock uninsured with much bigger bills
By Julie Appleby, USA TODAY
Ed and Dianna Jellison let their business' health insurance lapse
while they shopped for a better price. But then Ed fell ill, spending
17 days in a Florida hospital as a viral infection ravaged his body.

Now the couple are fighting a $116,000 hospital bill, one they say
could be as low as $25,000 if an insurance company were paying it.

The tough truth for patients like the Jellisons — who earn too much to
qualify for charity care — is that they are often charged the highest
prices for hospital services.

Few know that. And they're stunned when they learn.

"If they accept $25,000 from an insurance company on a routine basis,
and what they're charging us for the same thing is $116,000, that's
not fair, and it's not right," says Dianne, who closed the couple's
roofing business and took a part-time job in a warehouse because Ed's
illness left him disabled.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/health/2004-04-13-rising-hospital-costs
_x.htm


"Rapidly rising hospital charges have placed hospitals in the
spotlight. Critics say hospitals are unfairly using their growing
clout in many markets and charging far more than it costs to provide
services. Spending on hospital care is the fastest-growing segment of
the nation's health care tab."

"Because most hospitals rely on government health payments for about
50% of their revenue, and private insurers who negotiate discounts for
much of the rest, raising charges is one way hospitals can try to
bring in additional money from individuals and insurers not covered by
the discounts"

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Insurance/Insureyourhealth/P74840.asp
Profit-hungry hospitals are overcharging consumers an estimated $10
billion a year. Some deliberately work to keep bills indecipherable.
Here's how to fight back.

By Bankrate.com

American hospitals are fleecing patients out of billions of dollars
annually, and experts say that while some of the overcharges are
honest errors, many are deliberate.

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