Re: A4C banding (UK)

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Re: A4C banding (UK)

Dan Smith	30 Jul 2005 15:20
sorry nothing yet even on a confidential basis. > "Dan Smith" <dansmith17@yahoo.com> wrote in news:FiGGe.14550$zp1.13953 > @newsfe7-win.ntli.net: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Dave

Dave L	30 Jul 2005 12:28
"Dan Smith" <dansmith17@yahoo.com> wrote in news:FiGGe.14550$zp1.13953 @newsfe7-win.ntli.net: > any further movement in Kent, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You seem to be in a small minority Dan Any results from Welsh trusts yet? Dave

Dan Smith	30 Jul 2005 07:49
any further movement in Kent, For information of approx 42 Trusts so far with Pathology results only 6 have 2=6 1 =6 is the majority at between 60 and 70% of Trusts You seem to be in a small minority >>> Where are you and who the hell agredd to abandon scoring in favour of >>> salary matching, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Dave

Dave L

20 Jul 2005 06:47

>> Where are you and who the hell agredd to abandon scoring in favour of
>> salary matching,
>
> Deepest Kent.
> As for agreeing, I'm still to meet anyone who agreed for A4C in the
> first place, let alone any of the details of it's implementation.

Well I'm not travelling all the way to Kent so you can meet someone :-)

When all this is sorted it will be interesting to compare bandings where
there is a strong staff side and where there isn't.

Have you heard the bandings from any other local trusts?
If they come out as hoped, then you'll have even worse recruitment
problems than now.
Hopefully some BMS 1 band 6 JDs will appear so band 5s can compare them
to their own.

It's KSF next

Dave

Manky Badger	19 Jul 2005 22:18
> Where are you and who the hell agredd to abandon scoring in favour of > salary matching, Deepest Kent. As for agreeing, I'm still to meet anyone who agreed for A4C in the first place, let alone any of the details of it's implementation. > There is pressure to get this finished but also to get this right!! > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> >> Dave

Dan Smith	19 Jul 2005 07:07
Where are you and who the hell agredd to abandon scoring in favour of salary matching, There is pressure to get this finished but also to get this right!! >>> That doesn't look good. >>> Which end of the bands are the points scores? [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Dave

Dave L

19 Jul 2005 05:20

>> That doesn't look good.
>> Which end of the bands are the points scores?
>
> Dunno - we got the gradings this pm. It would seem that scoring was
> abandoned in favour of "salary-matching"

You need the scores and the justification for each factor.

>> There was a post on Dave Houlliston's group saying that across the
>> country the majority of experienced BMS 1s were 6, BMS 2s 7 and one
>> BMS 3 8b. I don't know how many this covered though.
>
> I find that group has very complex posts that don't actually say much
> :o)

I know what you mean, but there's still lots of info and someone on there
is collating the bandings.

>> If others come out on the higher bands then it should be picked up
>> during consistancy checking.
>
> Is there to be any national consistancy checking ?

Yes, although if the content isn't in your JD in the first place then
nothing will happen.

Dave

Manky Badger

18 Jul 2005 22:05

>> Anyone got any updates on where BMS grades have fitted in to the A4C
>> bandings ?
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> That doesn't look good.
> Which end of the bands are the points scores?

Dunno - we got the gradings this pm. It would seem that scoring was
abandoned in favour of "salary-matching"

> There was a post on Dave Houlliston's group saying that across the country
> the majority of experienced BMS 1s were 6, BMS 2s 7 and one BMS 3 8b.
> I don't know how many this covered though.

I find that group has very complex posts that don't actually say much :o)

> If others come out on the higher bands then it should be picked up during
> consistancy checking.

Is there to be any national consistancy checking ?

Dave L

18 Jul 2005 21:43

> Anyone got any updates on where BMS grades have fitted in to the A4C
> bandings ?
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Tribunals, here we come !!

That doesn't look good.
Which end of the bands are the points scores?

There was a post on Dave Houlliston's group saying that across the country
the majority of experienced BMS 1s were 6, BMS 2s 7 and one BMS 3 8b.
I don't know how many this covered though.

If others come out on the higher bands then it should be picked up during
consistancy checking.

Dave

Manky Badger	18 Jul 2005 17:30
Anyone got any updates on where BMS grades have fitted in to the A4C bandings ? FWIW in my neck of the woods we have MLA Band 2 Trainee BMS Band 3 BMS (all of 'em) Band 5 Senior BMS Band 6 Chief BMS Band 7 Tribunals, here we come !!

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