Re: I asked the graduate school prof about an NTI
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Re: I asked the graduate school prof about an NTI
| Steven Fawks | 24 Feb 2007 14:09 |
>>The NTI website would be a good place to start (HeadacheHope.com) > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > (url)? Is it www.internetdentalforum.net or > http://www.internetdentalforum.org? You have to use the '.org' to get to the sign up web page. Regular subscription are $120/yr, but dental students may sign up for free. I'm not sure if there is a discount for dental educators.
It was a combination of posters from smd and the IDF that got me to try the NTIs. I've learned a lot about local anesthesia techniques and endo as well.
Once in a while I also get a 'heads up' about a material change, new product, or upcoming shortage while I have time to prepare myself.
Steve
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| JimSocal | 24 Feb 2007 09:27 |
>No hidden charges. It takes about 10 minutes and $15 to make an NTI >(once you get the hang of it). It is made directly in your mouth. >No impressions. No models. No lab bill. The fee is in the knowledge >to use the device and its relative value for what you get out of it >(compared to drugs, full mouth rehab, conventional splints, etc.) Interesting...
>It is so predictable and so easy that I don't have much of a risk. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >The NTI website would be a good place to start (HeadacheHope.com) Thanks. I'll print out some stuff and hand it to the dentist or the prof.
>They could join the Internet Dental Forum or visit us right here on smd. Fat chance they'd do that. But I'll put the info on the sheet I print out. What is the Internet Dental Forum, or Where is it, specifically (url)? Is it www.internetdentalforum.net or http://www.internetdentalforum.org?
>:-) >Steve |
| Steven Fawks | 24 Feb 2007 01:39 |
> Steve, that's a great deal! If I was offered that deal, I would take > it! I would also give it a fair test, forcing myself to use it for a > month. Seems like a big risk on your part, to have to "eat" the > device. I assume they still pay for the sessions leading up to the > making of it, though, the models and so forth? You can't give away > your time. No hidden charges. It takes about 10 minutes and $15 to make an NTI (once you get the hang of it). It is made directly in your mouth. No impressions. No models. No lab bill. The fee is in the knowledge to use the device and its relative value for what you get out of it (compared to drugs, full mouth rehab, conventional splints, etc.)
It is so predictable and so easy that I don't have much of a risk.
> I'd like to take him and my student dentist some info on the NTI. If I > could print out just one or two articles from the net, what would you > recommmend? If he was impressed, he might introduce this technology to > the dental school! The NTI website would be a good place to start (HeadacheHope.com)
They could join the Internet Dental Forum or visit us right here on smd.
:-) Steve
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| JimSocal | 23 Feb 2007 19:07 |
>> But what about these assertions? > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >Steve Steve, that's a great deal! If I was offered that deal, I would take it! I would also give it a fair test, forcing myself to use it for a month. Seems like a big risk on your part, to have to "eat" the device. I assume they still pay for the sessions leading up to the making of it, though, the models and so forth? You can't give away your time.
Anyway, I felt that the prof should have just said, "No, I really don't know much about it" instead of feeling he had to come up with an answer. I think he was put on the spot for having to come up with an answer, not wanting to admit in front of his student that a patient knew more about something (what I have read here) than he did. So therefore he just blathered out an answer.
I'd like to take him and my student dentist some info on the NTI. If I could print out just one or two articles from the net, what would you recommmend? If he was impressed, he might introduce this technology to the dental school!
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| Steven Fawks | 23 Feb 2007 13:53 |
> But what about these assertions? Pure, unadulterated BS. They do not use or understand the device and have made up complications that simply do not exist.
> Personally, the cost of a night guard OR an NTI seems overpriced to > me, and I am leaning towards not getting either one. I really have no > proof or indication, that I grind all that much in the first place. I > have never had headaches much at all (until my recent sinus lift - see > my thread on that!). So I am skeptical about my need for any kind of > guard. What is it worth to get rid of pain? What is it worth to preserve tooth structure, reduce fractured teeth, avoid a root canal or two, and the subsequent crown?
How about doctors visits, MRIs, CAT scans, other tests, and drugs to treat problems that will be controled with one little piece of plastic (with no side effects!).
Skepticism is natural. It took me a year after learning of them to ever make one. That's been over 7 years ago, and I still can't believe how good they really are.
The way I treat skeptics is to make an NTI with the deal that they can pay for it a month later or give it back to me a month later. Very few want to give it back. Of the ones who do say 'no', I don't know if any of them actually used the device for even one whole night.
Steve
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| JimSocal | 23 Feb 2007 08:23 |
My student dentist had indicated that she thought I grinded my teeth and so should get a night guard. I said that I doubted I would be able to wear one because I am a very light sleeper and had trouble wearing the teeth whitening thing that was made for me a few years ago.
So then I read you guys talking about NTI and I decided to ask her about that.
So I did and she had never heard of it. She asked another student dentist and he had never heard of it.
Then she asked the prof, probably 60 years old.
He looked puzzled and said it was for headaches. I said, "Yes, but apparently some dentists are using them successfully for grinding problems."
He said, "Maybe for short term use it might be okay, especially if grinding is giving you headaches, but long term use will probably cause the front teeth to protrude, and also it can cause problems in the jaw, leading to TMJ or other problems." I can't remember exactly what he said, but it was something like that.
In any case, he was very much against it.
Seemed to me that he really didn't know much about it, though and was probably behind-the-times in his views on this.
But what about these assertions?
Personally, the cost of a night guard OR an NTI seems overpriced to me, and I am leaning towards not getting either one. I really have no proof or indication, that I grind all that much in the first place. I have never had headaches much at all (until my recent sinus lift - see my thread on that!). So I am skeptical about my need for any kind of guard.
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