ATTENTION ! ! !

Incorrect.

I post the scientific proof of mercury amalgam toxicity.

http://tinyurl.com/46pwb

That's true. Just a mercury poisoned person who can close to death.

That's a lie.

Dr Steve has NOT one single study proving amalgams to be safe, while I have
lots of proof and studies that show they are NOT safe.

http://tinyurl.com/7xq58

Another lie. Dentist are taught well is dental school to lie.

http://tinyurl.com/3rly6

See above.

Anyone can note, Dr Steve is sour grapes because he refuses to discuss and
answer my questions. He is just one of many here who can't.

http://tinyurl.com/5ufrd

Follow that thread and see where Steve got caught in his own trap. He
refused to discuss, couldn't answer my questions

http://tinyurl.com/4kucc

Here is where Bill Combs got caught and could answer my question, and Steve
calls them *silly*.

I have helped others and will continue. Proof below.

http://tinyurl.com/3uezd

They are NOT my views, they are written by researchers, Chemists,
toxicologists, DDS's and MD's.

Steve is a BLATANT LIAR.

By modern dentistry Dr Steve means the lying beliefs of *organized dentistry
and medicine* who remain in denial. Their concern is EGO and afraid of being
sued for the lies down through the ages.

. Her views mirror those of dishonest people who survive by preying on the

Dr Steve is DISHONEST.

I have a message, and it starts with *IF*

*IF* you have an unanswered health problem,,,,,,,,CHECK THE TEETH!

NOT by a mainstream dentist, but an Alt. dentist who KNOWS the dangers of
metalin the mouth and root canals, and follows correct protocol.

I did, it saved my life

.Mercury is Poisonous.There is NO safe form of Mercury in living tissue.The
mercury vapor from dental amalgam alone is a bigger source than all the
other
sources together.

U151 identifies mercury as a toxic waste.Mercury is also recovered from
discarded products and wastes such aschlor-alkali wastes, dental amalgams,
fluorescent light tubes, electronicdevices, and others.

The mercury is vaporized in a retort and collected bycondensation. Condensed
mercury is then distilled to remove impurities.*

The Environmental Protection Agency is working to reduce the amount
ofmercury
in the environment

http://www.ehs.ucsf.edu/Manual­s/CSM/Csm_Chapter9.htm

17. DENTAL AMALGAMDental amalgams are mixtures of mercury with silver tin
alloy. Cal-EPAregulates them as ***chemical waste.*** Submit Chemical Waste
Removal Form for its disposal.

A total repeated lie.

The lies are from the posters own words, and has nothing whatsoever to do
with
disagreeing.

Lies are rampant here. When they are told and I ask for proof, Dr Steve,
among
others have NO proof.

You just saw an example of how Steve lies above.

I am not here for attention, as far as the above, yes if needed I do stand
up
to ridiculous posters.

It should also be noted, Dr Steve says W_B is a nice guy.

While he speaks of Slat Lake City Landfill.

States it's a damn shame I didn't die.

and

Well said, mf, well said.

I have been called many names.

In fact from Sr Steve himself.

Dr Steve <nos...@home.net> wrote:

Steve has NOT one single study proving the safety of amalgams, in fact they
have never been FDA approved.

No that what Dr Steve claims, I claimed.

He has been asked to show proof of this claim, he has none, but still
repeats
this lie.

NOWHERE did I ever say I was cured of anything.

<snip more lies>

Proof of that lie is above.

Totally irrelevant.

Amalgams is the subject.

We already have partial bans, for very good reason.

The truth is mercury is being eliminated in ALL forms, dentists are the
biggest
polluters and care not about the enviroment.

The reason for this post, is Dr Steve got caught in his own trap.

After stating his many lies it is HE who refuses to discuss and can't answer
my
questons.

Jan

"I don't feel comfortable using a substance designated by the Environmental
Protection Agency to be a waste disposal hazard. I can't throw it in the
trash, bury it in the ground, or put it in a landfill, but they say it is OK
to put it in people's mouths. That doesn't make sense." - Richard. Fischer,
D.D.S."

<snip>

ATTENTION ! ! !

Jan Drew has now begun posting as the LollipopLady.

For the sake of any new readers to this newsgroup. Jan is a retired
day care owner/operator, (according to her) who makes a lot of noise
about amalgam toxicity. She is not a dentist, has no training in
dentistry,
and does not really understand scientific methods.  In addition, she
flat
out refuses to engage in any discussion about this issue even when the
specific point of discussion does not contradict her own point of
view. She
cannot communicate much beyond pasting the words of other people to
responses, [Many of  the quotes do not apply to what is being said].
She,
also, does not give any credit to the person from which she takes
these
quotations. Her behavior is very similar to a software program
designed
to post specific remarks to key words. Please be cautious if you
choose
to follow any advice presented by her.

Recognize that her views do NOT reflect those of modern dentistry. Her
views mirror those of dishonest people who survive by preying on the
innocent.  If you watch and read carefully, you will see her accuse
anyone
who does not agree with all of her views (uneducated as they may be)
of
being a Liar.  When that does not get enough attention, she will
resort to
calling people "Heifer", "Jew-boy", Atheist, Queer, etc.  Her behavior
is
certainly not civil nor compassionate.

If you read exactly what her claims are in regard to amalgam toxicity,
you
will find that her claims do not make scientific sense.  She claims to
have
been healed of neurological defects during the time that her bodily
mercury
levels would have been at their highest.  If she really had mercury
toxicity, she should have been more ill during this time, not feeling
better
than she had in many years.  She is either badly mistaken, or she is
lying
about what made her ill.

Even those individuals who would like to see amalgam banned from use,
find
her posting methods, and refusal to discuss any topics, despicable.

Please recognize that there are far more people sensitive to
Penicillin,
latex, peanuts, Sulfites and even to bananas than there are people
sensitive
to dental amalgam and the metals it contains.  None of these other
materials
have been banned, nor would we expect them to be banned in the future.

The lack of response (from the dentists who frequent this newsgroup)
to
Jan's comments in to this message thread does not represent anything
other
than the acknowledgement that no one can have a mature discussion with
this
woman.  Notice how she will respond with the same slander and call me
a liar
rather than engage in any meaningful discussion.
..

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Stephen (What's a temporary?)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

There is no need to get snippy.  I was simply asking a question.  And the
reason it makes sense is that I never had any of these problems until after I
was root canaled.  It just all seems pretty coincidental to me.  And, I have
been reading stories of other people whose problems could not be diagnosed
and they got better after the tooth was removed.  That kind of speaks for
itself also, don't you think?

The entire scientific community.  Do you want your dental/medical care to
based on one study done in 1918 that was proven wrong a few years later ?

If you prefer to listen to a retired day care worker rather than learned
professionals, that is your prerogative.  Have a nice day.

Whether it was proved wrong or not, it still makes sense.  Who proved it
wrong?

That particular study was proven wrong in 1923.  Forget about it.

Thanks to everyone who replied to my post.  I have an appointment with the
dentist tomorrow morning to have him once again check on the teeth that he
root canaled.  I will have him refer me to an endodontist.  

I have done some research on my own over the weekend and did read about some
of the stuff that LadyLollipop was referring to.  I was reading about Weston
Price and his theories on focal infection and the toxicities caused by
bacterial poisons left in the tubules leaching out causing sickness and
disease.  From a medical standpoint, this makes extreme sense. The dentist
certainly never discussed any of this with me!  I had no clue things could
get out of hand from a tooth.  I may have opted for just having the thing
pulled, which also was never discussed.  

All I know is that ever since I had the root canals done four months ago I
just haven't felt the same.  I am tired all of the time and have no energy,
along with everything else that I stated in my first post.  Also, over the
weekend the side of my face, from my eye down to my ear, was very sore.  If I
touched beside my ear I could feel pressure that went directly to the tooth.
My eyelid would twitch a lot and the tingling went down to my bottom lip.

I will let you know what the dentist says about my teeth after he examines
them tomorrow.  If he looks at the x-ray and says that everything looks okay
and that I should let him crown them, I am going to scream!!!

The subject is NOT water.

Irrelevant!

Sorry, I missed this. I haven't been reading this group.

http://www.toothwisdom.net/r.root_canals.html

http://www.integratedhealthpractice.com/treatment.asp#Root

 ll root cancel fillings have the potential to casue bad health. This is
because, althought the nerve has been removed, bacteria still colonise in
the minute tubules of a tooth. These bacteria produce toxins which enter the
body causing potential harm.
An area of residual infection which is left under the gum, usually
following, but sometimes a long time after an extraction can cause problems.
Symptoms can be coincided with the energetic links to the body as well as
localised problems.

http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/RCTframeset.htm

http://www.ericdavisdental.com/root_canals.htm

http://www.whale.to/d/root2.html

http://www.drshankland.com/rootcanal.html

http://webpages.charter.net/kyarbrough/rootcanals.htm

http://www.dentistry-toothtruth.com/faq.htm

http://www.cfsn.com/maz/

http://cnorman.best.vwh.net/blazing/dental.html

http://rheumatic.org/teeth.htm

http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/root_therapies.htm

http://zap.intergate.ca/root.html

http://www.dentistryholistic.com/education.html

http://www.hugnet.com/Root_Canals.html

http://www.karlloren.com/ultrasound/p25.htm

http://www.hallvtox.dircon.co.uk/hallvt.html

Root Canals. A tooth has miles of tiny canals running through the root. A
dead
or root filled tooth will have bacteria in these canals. There is no way of
removing the bacteria once they are in there.

http://www.toothwisdom.net/

Toxicity from Root Canals

The next subject to be discussed are root canals and their possible source
of
toxicity. Approximately twenty five million Americans undergo root canal
therapy every year in an effort to prevent the loss of teeth that have
abscessed. The root canal is the left portion of the tooth which houses the
vital organs such as the nerve and blood vessels. The dentist endeavors to
clean and sterilize this canal and fill it with a sterile, non toxic inert
material. This usually renders this tooth serviceable and non painful;
however,
the entire inner hard core of the tooth is made of dentin which has several
million dentinal tubules. These tubules allow the circulation of lymphatic
type
fluid to circulate from the vital organs of the root canal to the outside of
the tooth. This is a viable circulatory phenomenon which has a purpose. It
services the periodontal ligament as well as the sensory aspect of the nerve
and blood centers in the root canal. If the body chemistry is healthy, the
flow
of lymphatic fluid is from the root canal to the outside of the tooth. This
creates an irrigation for the tooth and usually prevents the accumulation of
plaque to form. When the body chemistry is not healthy, then the circulation
is
from the outside of the tooth to the inner root canal. This allows for no
irrigation, but rather an accumulation of plaque to form. There are many
more
reasons for maintaining the integrity of the circulation in the dentinal
tubules. Root canal therapy completely destroys this integrity, and what
happens to the non-circulating fluid in these tubules? This fluid as it ages
becomes stagnant and becomes a toxic substance. This porous structure now
becomes a septic mass emanating poisons into the body. Is this what you
want?
Mercury amalgams are said to be the caskets of the body. Root canals are
said
to be the cadavers of the body.

I do not recommend root canals for anyone. Each individual has a right to
their
decisions. Many people simply do not wish to lose a member of their body. I
respect this, and I always discuss the consequences.

The next area of discussion is whether the root canal filling actually
sterilizes the apical end of the tooth. There are so many lateral canals at
the
root end of the tooth where bacteria can harbor that it is unlikely that a
complete aseptic condition exists. This, however, is a debateable subject.
Again, the complete acceptance of root canal therapy as a viable
substitution
for extraction is completely and whole heartedly supported by organized
dentistry. You are in violation of the code of ethics if you speak out
against
root canal therapy. When I was a practicing dentist, I always let the
patient
make that decision after explaining all pros and cons.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

Jan

Water is even toxic - in large doses, it causes drowning!

Actually everything is toxic ... .depending on the dose!

I wouldn't worrry about gutta percha being toxic... sounds more like
combination of persisitent infection and possiblity of sodium
hypochlorite used to clean the canal going past the apex of root. That
can cause severe rxn but usually will go away by itself... you should
see an endodontist for consultand wait on the crowns for now.

I was a bit taken back when he wanted to proceed with the crowns, too.  That
was the last time that I went to him and I don't think that I will go back to
him.  I think there is something fishy going on over there.  My sister goes
to the same place but has a different dentist.  She just paid $2,500 for a
bridge two weeks ago that they want to drill through now.

I agree you should definitely see an endodontist.  I am very surprised that
your dentist suggested a crown for the tooth while you were still having
pain.  By the way... change dentists.

I would agree: you should see an endodontist, who is a root canal
specialist.  Infections can last longer that we'd like, and it's possible
that is what you have.  It's impossible to really give you any advice
without examining you and knowing your age and health history, but a
specialist should be able to see what's what.  I would tell your dentist you
are doing this and request a copy of all the x-rays he's taken, so that the
endodontist can see how things have progressed and see how that compares
with the current situation.  Be assured that eventually most all infections
do resolve.  Good luck!

About 4 months ago I began the root canal process.  I was put on an
antibiotic on Friday afternoon and was drilled on Monday morning.  Is this
enough time to allow the infection to go away?  I questioned them and they
said the antibiotics would start to work immediately.  Anyway, he placed
temporary fillings in 2 teeth that were right next to each other - upper left
bicuspid and a molar.  I was told that I would have some pain for a couple of
days.  I was told to continue my antibiotic and was also put on Ibuprofen
800mg for pain.  My appointment for the rest of the root canal was scheduled
to be done in two weeks.  The pain did not go away in a couple of days.  I
was scheduled to go to New York the weekend before my next appointment to
finish the root canal.  I called the dentist's office and told them that it
had been a week and a half and I was still experiencing pain, that I was to
go to NYC that weekend, and I did not want to have any problems with my teeth
at that time.  I was then told that sometimes the pain would last as long as
two weeks.  I went on my trip and was miserable!  The pain would really flare
up when I rode the subway ( I am guessing that it was due to all the jostling)
.

I went to have the root canal done on that Wednesday after my trip.  I told
him that I was still having pain.  He shot me up about three times with
novacaine and waited til he thought I was numb.  He began to place the rubber
dam over my teeth.  I stopped him and told him that I could really feel that.
He shot me up a couple of more times.  Shouldn't  the pain associated with
just the placement of the rubber dam have tipped him off that maybe something
wasn't right?  He began drilling and I could feel a little pain, which was
bearable, and a lot of pressure.  I just assumed that this was normal.  Then
he irrigated the tooth.  When he did this, I could feel cold, bleachy tasting
liquid go up into my cheek and swish around all the way up to my eye.  Again,
I thought this was normal or maybe just a sensation from the novacaine.
After the procedure was finished, he refilled my antibiotic and wrote me an
Rx for Vicodan.

My face was a little puffy that night, but just assumed that it was normal
due to the trauma of what had been done.  The next day it was still puffy.
However, on Friday morning it was very swollen.  I didn't call the dentist, I
just stopped in, unannounced, and asked if this was normal.  He took one look
at me and said, "Oh, my!"  He then wrote me another Rx for a different
antibiotic and told me to take it conjunction with the one I was already
taking and told me to stop in on Monday morning.  Saturday morning when I
woke, my face was swollen all the way up to and around my eye.  When I bent
over to pick up some dirty clothes a bunch of rusty colored liquid came
running out of my nose.  I spent the rest of the day with my head hanging
over the edge of the bed trying to drain all that crap out of my face.  I
felt a little better the next day and the swelling had gone down some.  When
I got to his office on Monday, I told he what had happened and told him that
I was concerned about having infection spread to my brain.  He didn't look
all that concerned.  He put me on a Medrol Dose Pack (oral steriod) to take
with my antibiotics.  

I went back to see him every Friday for the next month.  He took an x-ray
each time I said that I was still experiencing pain.  All he ever said was,
"The x-rays look okay."  He would occassionally change my antibiotic.  On one
of my Friday visits he told me that the problem was that the roots of my
molar had grown into my sinuses.  Couldn't he see this on the very first x-
ray he took before any work was performed?  On my last visit to him he told
me that he needed to cap the teeth as I "was compromising the integrity of my
teeth."  I told him that I was reluctant to have any more work done at this
time due to all the pain that I was having.  He told me to make an
appointment to come in in two weeks to have the work finished.  I went to the
receptionist and told her that he wanted me back in two weeks, but to
schedule it for four weeks to allow the pain to go away.  They always want at
least half of the payment up front, which in this case was $840, and I didn't
have it and that I would be able to come up with the money in a month as
opposed to two weeks.

After two weeks after my last visit to the dentist, my pain still had not
subsided and I went to a medical doctor.  I told him that I was experiencing
dizziness, light-headedness, loss of balance, loss of concentration, itchy
rash that would turn into pustuales (pimple like), burning sensation behind
my left eye, tingling in my left cheek that would radiate up and around my
head, pain under my cheek bone, and that I suspected that I may have
something systemic because I did not feel right.  He ordered blood work and a
CAT scan of my sinuses.  Both came back negative and I was told to see a
specialist.

I went a couple of weeks ago to see an ENT.  He basically laughed at me since
nothing showed up on my CAT scan.  He told me the pain was coming from my
tooth.  I asked how that could be when the roots are supposedly dead.  He
said that wasn't a dentist.  He said that the CAT scan did show that I have a
deviated septum and a prominent nasal spur and the spur could cause headaches.
I told him that I guess that I have always had that spur and I had very
rarely experienced headaches.  He told me that I should go back to the
dentist and have him cap my teeth.

I am at a loss as to what to do next.  No one seems concerned about my
symptoms and I am beginning to get more than a little worried.  I believe
that he filled my teeth with gutta-percha, which I have recently discovered
contains approximately 5% mercury.  Could I have mercury poisoning?  I have
also learned that oxygen deprived bacteria continue to live inside that tooth
and can leach out making you sick.  Why doen't dentists recognize this even
with documentation?

Any advise would be greatly appreciated.  I don't like the fact that my
dentist wanted to continue the root cnal work even though I insisted that I
was still in pain.