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Re: Love thy catholic neighbor.

calvin12@sysko.com28 Jul 2006 00:32
We are well advised to consult a spiritual advisor that we may avoid
error in the sand of self reference only.  Thanking you for your
continued prayers on my behalf, God's blessing and peace unto you, God
have mercy on me a sinner.

Your "chi" magical powers claimed from pagan doctrine to discern from a
distance fails as only God knows the state of my soul and your guesses
about in which church I commune has failed multiple times now.  Even if
by chance you should now guess correctly, the test is done and your
powers found empty.  Are we not protected from the powers of darkness if
we turn to God?  Now to the discussion at hand:

"When Adam confessed his sin, was GOD quick to forgive and draw Adam unto
HIM again?"

Actually you should know this, not until Christ had died and risen was
the healing of the stain of Adam's sin possible and be open to have the
separation from God removed.

"Actually, GOD can heal anything. Laus Deo ! Morever, because HE knows
everything in our hearts, our confessing to others is done for others and
not for HIM."

In truth God does not force His healing upon us, when we turn to Him He
will then turn to us.  That is the nature of our free will. We are directed
in no uncertain terms that we are to confess to God that He will be quick
to forgive 70 X 70 times.  As in the scripture given we were directed in
fact to do it one to another that God may forgive us. In reflection of this
and as understood as such, confession in the early church was done in
public and in the presence of those gathered to worship and break bread.

"Yes, and as a physican  (smile) and not a pharisee, LORD GOD Almighty has
given me authority in this discussion and in this world on the topic about
what makes people sick and how to heal those who are sick.

Are you mindful about what GOD has taught you about submitting to the
authority HE has established in this world through HIS Word (Romans 13) ?"

In truth, you have no other authority or power aside from that any
christian might have with the grace of God.  Your self described authority
based on pagan doctrine of"chi" powers has been tested and found empty. The
degree to which we resemble the pharisee is not by self proclamation, how
pharisee in nature that, but as measured by the scales Christ gave us in
the many examples of them.

"The healing here is not from sickness but from death that comes as
**payment** for sin for it is written that the wages of sin is death and
not that the illness of sin upon the soul leads to death."

Payment is not healing. You finally get something partially right, we
were delivered from death, spiritually we were healed by His stripes
just as the scripture said quoating our Lord and as He proclaimed his
role to be to the pharisees.

"Neither Shepherd nor Bishop implies a healing of sick souls."

Another strawman, this was mentioned above as how both healing from death
by His stripes was also connected with reunion with God in the same
passage, the shepherd calls His sheep to join them to His flock. In the
church the bishop has the role of the shepherd under the authority of
Christ and by the direction of the Holy Spirit.

"> Christ has been called the "great physician"

HE did heal sickness afflicting mortal bodies:"

And he can heal us from death.

"> and the church the "hospital.

Where is this in the Holy Bible?"

Nowhere, nor was it so claimed, all was prefaced by "it has been said".
It is a well known analogy of Christ the physician as healing us from
death by His actions and of the hospital being the church where we
commune within the community of christians as we turn to God for
spiritual healing and forgiveness of sins by so doing as we confess and
repent.  In part it is by the correction of that community that we avoid
straying from the flock by false doctrines of self invention as we
measure our thinking with orthodox doctrine of these 2000 years..

calvin12@sysko.com27 Jul 2006 16:36
"Actually, it is obvious to the most casual observer that there is no
reference to soul in James 5:14-16."

To have our sins forgiven is to heal our souls, no claim was made to
James in that regard.  Scripture speaks of "by His stripes we are
healed", if one wants to see such a thought of healing and the health of
our souls in His work on our behalf.  Confession is to turn to God, as
we are instructed, that He may turn to us.  When we confess our sins He
is quick to forgive them, indeed "70 times 70 times" as long as we
continue to turn to Him in confession and repentance.

"Bottomline: You remain without the Holy Spirit.  Indeed, it is written
that only those who have received Christ's baptism receive the Holy
Spirit.  Moreover, it is not clear to me that you are even Christian. I
sense that you are not sure either.

Still praying for you, dear catholic neighbor."

Smile, trying to change the subject is a common ploy for those building
on shifting sand.  Baptism and reception of the Holy Spirit were years
past in my walk on this earth.

Your evocation of the taoist "life force energy", "chi", by using the
short hand of "Holy Spirit" and claiming to therefore hold magical
powers of perception at a distance fail.  You diagnos the condition of
my soul, something left only to God to know, and of my denomination for
which you continue to fail to guess correctly.  

Just as your invented false doctrines were tested against orthodox
doctrine and found falling short, your claim to some kind of absolute
infallible discernment is thus also tested and equally found falling
short.  I'm reminded of the parable told of the pharisee who pointed a
finger at another in the temple at prayer and proclaimed that he thanked
God that he was not a sinner like the other.  The other whose prayer was
"God be merciful to me a sinner".  Which of these did our Lord say found
favor?

Let me offer you my other cheek, and please do take my coat as well.

Consulting a spiritual advisor guards against the errors of self
reference only errors of doctrine and interpretation as it opens one to
orthodox doctrine and teaching held these 2000 years.  Thanking you as
always for your prayers on my behalf, God's blessing and protection and
peace upon you, God forgive me a sinner.

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