Re: Statins do NOT protect against Azlheimer's
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Re: Statins do NOT protect against Azlheimer's
| Jim Chinnis | 13 Feb 2005 02:08 |
"Sharon Hope" <shope@anet.net> wrote in part:
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>> COMMENT: >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >statin patient to develop STATIN COGNITIVE DAMAGE, CONFUSION, MEMORY LOSS, >TRANSIENT GLOBAL AMNESIA, APHASIA, or the other disabling cognitive impacts. I think the data speak against your interpretation above. The studies performed simply do not find that dementia rates rise when statins are given. ...
>Similarly, someone needs to call for a halt of giving a known neurotoxic >statin drug to diabetics, who by the condition of diabetes alone are already >at risk of developing peripheral neuropathy. Why is it that they are now >prescribing a drug that, after 2 years of treatment, makes ANYONE TWENTY SIX >TIMES MORE LIKELY to experience polyneuropathy? Note the POLY, not just >peripheral neuropathy, POLYNEUROPATHY. Does it increase the odds for "ANYONE?" Is the alleged polyneuropathy increase with statins accomplished by a mechanism that would multiply the already rather high odds of diabetics? Any evidence? -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA
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| Sharon Hope | 13 Feb 2005 01:36 |
>>>Another misleading subject line..... > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > against > this most debilitating disease, alzheimers? << Like a cure for cancer, EVERYONE is hopeful of a treatment or prevention (actually both) for Alzheimer's, a horrific condition that is devastating for not only the patient but all who know the patient.
> COMMENT: > > While we're visiting this subject, let us note that Alzheimer's is > responsible for maybe half of dementia only. A large fraction of the > other half is caused by mini-strokes and vascular disease. And of > course, there's a 20 to 30% overlap of people who have both problems. Statins cause a dementia condition that is so close to Alzheimer's it is typically misdiagnosed as such. The difference is that, years after the statin drug is halted, the memory slowly improves. Very slowly.
Statin dementia is, exactly as I described Azlheimer's, a horrific condition that is devastating for not only the patient but all who know the patient.
The SIGNIFICANT difference between statin dementia and Alzheimer's is that STATIN DEMENTIA IS PREVENTABLE - there is no need for a patient to develop statin dementia. If doctors warned about it, not just the patient, but the family, and if the family and the doctors watched for it, and if there were baseline NP testing prior to prescribing statins and regular NP testing thereafter, just as there is for CK, there would be no need AT ALL for a statin patient to develop STATIN COGNITIVE DAMAGE, CONFUSION, MEMORY LOSS, TRANSIENT GLOBAL AMNESIA, APHASIA, or the other disabling cognitive impacts.
That this PREVENTABLE DEMENTIA continues to affect people, and doctors in denial continue to consider it in the diagnosis is UNCONSCIONABLE.
Further, giving a person at high risk of Alzheimer's dementia a known neurotoxic substance that has demonstrated over and over again that it causes STATIN DEMENTIA in a percentage of patients, is UNCONSCIONABLE.
For a brief moment in time there was a willing suspension of disbelief that statins, although they cause DEMENTIA, might somehow work in reverse for Alzheimer's prevention (sort of like giving stimulants to hyperactive/ADD children and they work in the opposite effect). That time has passed.
By all means, we need a treatment toward a cure for Alzheimer's and a prevention for Alzheimer's.
By all means we also need a treatment toward a cure for Statin dementia and memory loss and cognitive damage and amnesia and aphasia, and a screening ability to prevent others from suffering this PREVENTABLE DEMENTIA.
The time has passed for giving a neurotoxic drug to Alzheimer's patients and those at risk.
Similarly, someone needs to call for a halt of giving a known neurotoxic statin drug to diabetics, who by the condition of diabetes alone are already at risk of developing peripheral neuropathy. Why is it that they are now prescribing a drug that, after 2 years of treatment, makes ANYONE TWENTY SIX TIMES MORE LIKELY to experience polyneuropathy? Note the POLY, not just peripheral neuropathy, POLYNEUROPATHY.
What twisted medical ethics are currently in force?
> Of these, Alzheirmer's is the process I would LEAST expect statins to > interfere with. They might, but they might not. However, statins have [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > SBH |
| Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com | 12 Feb 2005 18:20 |
>>Another misleading subject line..... The article makes it clear that there are conflicting studies: some show no protection against dementia, others do. Obviously, much more research is needed.
Who wouldn't hope that there *might* be some benefit from statins against this most debilitating disease, alzheimers? <<
COMMENT:
While we're visiting this subject, let us note that Alzheimer's is responsible for maybe half of dementia only. A large fraction of the other half is caused by mini-strokes and vascular disease. And of course, there's a 20 to 30% overlap of people who have both problems.
Of these, Alzheirmer's is the process I would LEAST expect statins to interfere with. They might, but they might not. However, statins have already show impressive anti-stroke capability, even in people with normal cholesterol levels. So if statins do not work in slowing or preventing progression of Alzheimer's, this in no way means we've ruled out their role in preventing "dementia."
SBH
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| listener | 11 Feb 2005 03:08 |
Another misleading subject line.....
The article makes it clear that there are conflicting studies: some show no protection against dementia, others do. Obviously, much more research is needed.
Who wouldn't hope that there *might* be some benefit from statins against this most debilitating disease, alzheimers?
L.
> Many of us who have been exposed first-hand to the devastating > cognitive adverse effects of statins have been tremendously skeptical [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > > SOURCE: Archives of General Psychiatry, February 2005. |
| Sharon Hope | 11 Feb 2005 02:58 |
Many of us who have been exposed first-hand to the devastating cognitive adverse effects of statins have been tremendously skeptical of the "Can statins prevent Alz?????" headlines, which appeared at a time that conveniently offset articles in the popular media that exposed the memory loss caused by statins.
We doubters also questioned how the studies would differentiate between Alz and statin-induced memory loss.
As it turns out, this latest study shows that statins do NOT prevent Alzheimer's:
Statins Don't Protect Against Dementia: Study http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=healthNews&storyID=2005-02 -10T211401Z_01_B371082_RTRIDST_0_HEALTH-STATINS-DEMENTIA-DC.XML Reuters.uk, UK - 5 hours ago NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - The use of cholesterol-lowering drugs belonging to the statin family, such as Lipitor or Pravacol, does not seem to have any effect ...
Statins Don't Protect Against Dementia: Study http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=healthNews&storyID=7598600 Reuters - 5 hours ago NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - The use of cholesterol-lowering drugs belonging to the statin family, such as Lipitor or Pravacol, does not seem to have any effect ...
Statins Don't Protect Against Dementia: Study http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory?id=488976 ABC News - 5 hours ago Feb 10, 2005 - NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - The use of cholesterol-lowering drugs belonging to the statin family, such as Lipitor or Pravacol, does not seem ...
Statins Don't Protect Against Dementia: Study Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:15 PM GMT
NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - The use of cholesterol-lowering drugs belonging to the statin family, such as Lipitor or Pravacol, does not seem to have any effect on the risk of dementia or Alzheimer's disease, according to findings from a new study.
This supports the results of another study, but run counter other study findings that have linked statin use with a reduced risk of dementia.
The current study involved elderly residents living in Cache County, Utah, who were evaluated for statin use and dementia between 1995 and 1997 and then again between 1998 and 2000.
Dr. John C. S. Breitner, from the VA Puget Sound Health Care System in Seattle, and colleagues report their findings in the Archives of General Psychiatry.
Of the 4,895 subjects evaluated at the initial assessment, 355 had dementia, including 200 with Alzheimer's disease. In this analysis, statin use was associated with a 56-percent reduction in risk of dementia.
During 3-year follow-up, 185 of 3308 at-risk survivors were diagnosed with dementia, including 104 with Alzheimer's disease. In this analysis, statin use at the start of the study or at follow-up had no effect on the risk of dementia or Alzheimer's disease.
One explanation for the different findings could be that after dementia sets in, patients may simply be less likely to use statins, along with other drugs.
Studies with sufficient statistical power are needed to assess the effect of statin use on dementia risk, the authors note. "Until such research is able to demonstrate more promising results, however, we suggest that costly randomized trials of statins are premature."
SOURCE: Archives of General Psychiatry, February 2005.
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