Jeffy, the not doctor, blathered a lot. So ,   Snippety snip snip snip.
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:U9YUl.136$u86.125

Neither. I would a specific answer to my question. Your answer is like
asking someone what he had for lunch and the person vomiting to show
what he had for lunch

The information you provided neither was specific nor did it really
answer the question.

So we should just let people die, because homeopathic cancer research is
 in its infancy?

Actually, billions of dollars. And it is still only in its infancy, too.

And there is little or no scientific expertise, either.

So they had 1000s of years, but not evidence.

Proper stroke care includes determining the type of stroke (hemmorhagic
or embolic), stabilization, possible causes (e.g., clots in heart or
arteries leading to the brain), prevention of further strokes and
possible use of clot-busting drugs like tPA or streptokinase.

Who said reversal of damage?

May have? Gee, that's a strong statement.

In other words, you can't back your claim.

Can't back your claim, again.

No it didn't. Parents still don't have to get their girls vaccinated.
They have other options, like opting out for religious or philosophical
reasons.

I support the action the governor took, although I am concerned that he
has ties to the drug industry.

So? The fact is that he has about a 0% chance of surviving without
treatment and 90% chance with treatment.

I totally agree. WHen the FDA was created, the homeopaths got their
drugs grandfathered in so they didn't need to be tested or show safety
or efficacy.

The oil prices are down from before the recession.

Neither do your comments.

So must ExxonMobil. And ExxonMobil has enough sense and money to
continue exploring when the other oil companies stopped over the last
year or so.

The same should apply to homeopathy (it is neither a science or a field
of medicine).

Jeff

MECHANISMS OF VACCINATION SEQUELAE by Teresa Binstock Researcher in
Developmental and Behavioral Neuroanatomy  http://www.jorsm.com/~binstock/vacc-let.htm
At Whale

"Role of Immunogenetics in the Diagnosis of Postvaccinal CNS
Pathology," Massimo Montinari, et al., Department of Pediatric
Surgery, University of Bari, Italy, presented May 9, 1996 (text
available http://www.healthy.net/library/articles/coulter/biochem.htm
): after thirty children were found to have signs of central nervous
system and genetic damage following vaccination, the authors remark,
"A study of the disease associated with genes of the HLA system has
shown that this genetic complex can be responsible for am particular
genetic susceptibility, predisposing to various diseases characterized
predominantly by immune-system pathogenesis… results indicate that
autoimmune pathology is more frequent in countries where vaccination
is more widespread….." [A fuller description of this study will be
found in "The attenuated virus--infectious or not?" below.]

The hepatitis B vaccine, Recombivax HB, manufactured by Merck and Co.,
is a recombinant DNA vaccine. It is produced by cloning the hepatitis
virus, and then, adding the cloned virus to a yeast-based culture.
This culture, as with all vaccine cultures, contains a variety of
foreign proteins originating from other viruses and bacteria. In 1971,
scientists in Geneva discovered that when viral proteins are injected
directly into the bloodstream, they combine with human genetic
material, causing DNA to mutate. 5
[5. "Vaccines and Production of Negative genetic Changes In Humans,"
Leading Edge Research Group, 1996-1998. See www.trufax.org/vaccine/vacgen.html]
Since 1987, there have been at least 38 reports in international
medical literature showing that the hepatitis B vaccine causes chronic
autoimmune and neurological disease in both children and adults.11
Because it is genetically engineered, Recombivax HB can confuse the
body's immune system into attacking itself resulting in an auto-immune
response such as multiple sclerosis (MS).12 In 1997, while publicly
defending hepatitis B vaccine, the CDC produced an internal memo
suggesting a "possible association between the vaccine and multiple
sclerosis."13
[11. "Hepatitis B, The Untold Story": a 16-page Report sent to 55,000
pediatricians by the National Vaccine Information Center in 1999.
12. "Ounce of Prevention, Pound of Misery?" Insight Magazine, March
22, 1999, In this article, Dr. Bonnie Dunbar, professor of cell
biology at Baylor College of Medicine and an award-winning vaccine
research scientist has stated that because the hepatitis B vaccine
derives from a surface protein of virus molecules, the similarities
between the antigen and proteins in human nerves and tissues may trick
the autoimmune systems of the genetically susceptible into attacking
themselves. Dunbar says it may take months or years for the auto-
immune response to become obvious.
13. "Shots in the Dark," American Spectator Magazine, May 1999.
14. "Hep B Vaccine Linked Directly to Autoimmune Rheumatoid Diseases,"
From Doctor's Guide to Medical and Other News, www.pslgroup.com/mednews.htm.
]
http://www.vaclib.org/intro/hepbinfo.htm

from:
http://www.vaclib.org/news/geneticquotes.htm

IS THAT SPECIFIC ENOUGH FOR YOU  OR WOULD YOU LIKE MORE??

EXCUSE ME?  This is a totally unfair comparison -> Homeopathic cancer
research is in its INFANCY, while standard medicine cancer research
has had decades of research AND hundreds of millions of dollars.
There are at present NO Homeopathic cures for cancer - only research
in places like Cuba,  Brazil and India, where special interests and
medical monopolists have little or no power.

Even the Chinese, with thousands of  years of Herbal books and use,
are just getting around to scientific testing in some promising areas
of herbal cures for cancer.  Results are years away, perhaps at least
5 or 10.

Agree.

Disagree on the strokes.   Current stroke care involves some
rehabilitation but often does not utilize herbs, Acupuncture and other
alternative medicine therapies which may improve the patient or speed
their improvement, or improve them when the standards methods fail to
achieve useful results.  Your generalization indeed has some merit but
is not determinative.  I believe that right now, typically, the range
of movement and other gains in the early post stroke recovery phase
reach a plateau beyond which additional progress is problematic.  This
includes the best rehabilitation and the best medicines.

Some injected drugs will help stabilize the effects caused by macular
degeneration dry type (the less severe of the two types).  I'm not
certain on the reversal of damage but doubt it.  The addition of
dietary substances such as Lutein seems to aid in slowing the
progression of dry type too.   Treatment of wet type macular
degeneration can stablize the leakage but does not in general seem
seem to provide any reversal from the damage already done.
Alternative medicine, including Acupuncture and Herbs also may have
some benefit but do not constitute any sort of determinative treatment
either.

Not my problem - that is for the Homeopathy researchers to do - please
see their research, or take the easy way out and pretend it does not
exist.

Use a search engine and find out for yourself.
You yourself stated a survival rate, in general, of 50%.
Not too good, eh?

In Feb the state of Texas mandated mandatory gardasil vaccine for
schoolgirls.
If I'm correct on this and some court has not challenged it, I hope
you will join us in protesting this.

You forgot to mention the testimony of someone who was on the run from
the law years ago for the same problem, avoided the treatment and
SURVIVED.  He's doing quite well now, without having his immune system
shot to hell, thank you very much.

Many Homeopathists are honest hard working, often MD's - a few
fraudsters are out there too, I'm sure, but they're in every branch of
medicine.  And there is a profit making Homeopathy industry to be
sure; Nothing new there.
I would like to see them subject to the same rules for testing as the
other drug companies.

Agree fully!

Strongly disagree one the first, agree on the second.   Exxon Mobil is
part of an organized energy cartel.  They are not really interested in
increasing production and reducing costs because their suppliers and
their entire market is no longer a free market, is not governed by the
rules of free market economics, and is helped by government fiat,
special tax rules and other incentives.   Observe that we are in the
worst recession in over 50 years and yet oil prices are rising!!!!
This does not jive with reality.

Apple does sell an excellent product, and does exist to make money for
themselves and their stockholders - but knows that to do so they must
lower costs, innovate and stay competitive - which is exactly what
they have been doing.

Check it out at the local library - it is a REALLY good overview of
why, if there has been all this money expended on all this research
for all this length of time, the results are so scanty.   The author
is fully credentialed and knows her topic well.  The implications are
disturbing to say the least.

Side note on Homeopathy and Vaccines -> BOTH are currently being used
on third world populations as a cheap way to do experiments and
testing.  THIS is wrong.   Until the vaccine or Homeopathic is FULLY
TESTED in at least some controlled lab situations and published, this
sort of thing SHOULD be stopped.

On the other hand, conditions may be so desperate that they give their
consent to try anything - if that is so, and it is a possibility, then
it should be made clear to them the unproven nature of the treatments
and the likelihood of failure.   Either the WHO or the United Nations,
or BOTH, should be regulating this.

As often happens in these field trial situations, the successes are
widely touted and the failures are pushed aside and ignored.   A
little more science and less marketing, in ALL fields of medicine,
would be of benefit to all.

Citizen Jimserac

what "genetic damgage?" Please be specific.

The other supposedly obvious problems are well-known, but very rare.

What is not as well known is the what happens to kids who get the
diseases the vaccines prevent. Kids die from chicken pox, measles,
mumps, rubella (and get birth defects), invasive Hib infection, etc.

I disagree. Considering that about 0% of patients with cancer are cured
with homeopathy and about 50% of patients are cured with conventional
therapy, I would call that major.

Other major breakthroughs include in type I diabetes, where there is no
cure, but patients are able to live fairly normal lives for decades
versus a few months without insulin; growth hormone, which is able to
let kids achieve normal height, trauma care, heart attack and brain
attack (stroke) care, where patients are often able to leave the
hospital to lead normal lives, opthamology where patients with early
macular degeneration are able to keep their sight, etc.

Please show the evidence about the disease that homeopathy is able to
cure or prevent.

Citations please that show that those who survived the first treatments
often chose death rather than a repetition of the treatments.

No state forces vaccines on anyone. The court-ordered chemotherapy
treatments have a 90% chance of saving the patient's life. And even the
family admitted that they were in the kid's best interest, according to
the newspaper accounts.

As opposed to homeopathy, where the practicioners don't charge any fees,
all have outside jobs and have no financial motives at all?

The pharmaceutical industry exists to make money for the stockholders.
Nothing wrong with that. ExxonMobil and Apple both sell excellent
product. But, they both exist to make money for their stockholders, not
to make fuel so we can drive or computers and iPods so we can work and
be entertained.

I don't have money or time waste on this crap.

Jeff

By an incredible coincidence, you appear to BLINDLY accept that
vaccination is of benefit, you seem to ignore the obvious problems and
deaths that occur in a small percentage of the vaccinations, the
vaccinations that "didn't take", the vaccinations on babies
irrespective of possible genetic damage -  and you also have some sort
of near hysterical bigotry and bias against Homeopathy - completely
ignoring the genuine research which has repeatedly indicated that high
dilution solutions with NO REMAINING molecules of the stimulant are
STILL ABLE to cause biological effects - see M. Ennis, Inflammation
Research, vol 53, p181, and NUMEROUS repetitions, most of them
positive.

Regarding Cancer, HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, have been expended
over more than 30 years and have indeed made some minor breakthroughs,
particularly in the area of childhood leukemia.
However, it is clear from the nature of the poisonous and immune
system destroying consequences of these "treatments"  AND from the
fact that those unfortunates who were lucky enough to survive the
first "treatment" often chose death rather than a repetition ( the
cancer has "reactivated" and you will need a few more "treatments") of
chemotherapy or radiation is indicative of FUNDAMENTAL AND SYSTEMIC
fallacies both in the nature of these treatments and in the complete
disregard for the long term consequences to the patient - and this
irrespective of the fact, that yes, these radiations and poison
chemicals do indeed kill cancer cells.

Hopefully you advocacy of these kinds of treatments DOES NOT include
violation of an individual's freedom of medical choice, including
state forced vaccinations and court ordered chemotherapy treatments
such as has already happened here.

Criticisms of the standard medical systems and the numerous
associations between government, standard medicine and pharmacy
industry and other special interests that have given rise to this
monodimensional approach have now arisen, like an oncoming tidal wave
and will soon wash away this anti-human scientism in the tsunami of
reforms to come.

YOU are advised to read "The Secret History of the War on Cancer" by
Davis, a recent best seller, to get some perspective on where the
cancer-ists went wrong, and, more importantly, WHY.

Citizen Jimserac

But the best are homeopaths. They do not even understand homeopathy. ;O)

So, do not believ homeopaths. Homeopathy kills.

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Das Bakterium Haemophilus influenzae Typ b (Hib)
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Die dadurch ausgelösten Infektionskrankheiten waren
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Die Keime verursachen bei Kindern bis zu 3 Jahren
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Vaccination saves lives. Or do you invest in coffins?

Cancer is still a "mystery" disease for the allopath, and why anyone
survives their cut/burn/poison approach is also a mystery.  The
allopath does not know why chemo works as poorly as it does.
Experts in this area report that the correct cure rate for cancer
treated allopathically is 2.1%.  2.1% is hardly 85%.

DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons

With Hodgkin's Disease, there is about an 85% chance of survival with
proper treatment. The so-called "natural treatments" that the family is
trying to use not only are not working in this case (the tumors are
getting larger), but, there is no evidence that "natural treatments" work.

The question the court is dealing with is: Does the state have the right
to force treatment on a child with a disease that has a 85% survival
rate when the family wants to do nothing?

In this case, the courts are ruling not to give the kid chemotherapy is
medical neglect.

Jeff