Re: The Quackery of Chemotherapy, Gunpoint Medicine and the Disturbing Fate of 13-Year-Old Daniel Hauser
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Re: The Quackery of Chemotherapy, Gunpoint Medicine and the Disturbing Fate of 13-Year-Old Daniel Hauser
| t | 29 May 2009 12:03 |
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| Jeff | 29 May 2009 02:20 |
> Sometimes your T Cells dont work they way they should, Hence you > develop cancer or some other disease. So, boost the T cells so your > body can heal itself. Incredible! It's a lot more complicated than that. First, cells don't just up and decide to become cancerous one day. There are almost always many mutations that occur to allow a cell to keep dividing when it shouldn't and to move around the body (if a tumor can't move around the body, it's not cancerous).
And "boosting the T-cells" (whatever you mean by that) might not cure the cancer. I mean, it's like fixing the circuit breaker after the electrical fire begins. By then, you need water, not a working switch.
Jeff
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| KevysMom | 29 May 2009 01:11 |
Sometimes your T Cells dont work they way they should, Hence you develop cancer or some other disease. So, boost the T cells so your body can heal itself. Incredible!
> On Thu, 28 May 2009 14:09:17 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative, > [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > - Show quoted text - |
| Bob Officer | 28 May 2009 22:16 |
>> What makes you believe that cancer is responsive to your immune >> system? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >http://www.nature.com/bjc/press_releases/p_r_apr03_6600857.html If you read the article and understood it, they used a artificial method of changing the T-cell to target a specific type of bowel cancer. This was tested by watching a limited number of cells in a culture and how the gene-modified t-cells responded.
There is also a cravat: [cite] "We've shown that the technique works a hundred per cent of the time in the laboratory, but the real test will be whether it works in cancer patients, which we'll begin to look at in the clinical trial."
The trial of the technique will take place next year at Manchester's Christie Hospital. [/cite]
and
[cite] "There's still a long way to go in the development of this new technique, but it does seem to hold promise for the treatment of cases which are out of reach of conventional medicine." [/cite]
So what they doing was run some test on grown cultures in a lab. There have been no test on how the modified cells react with the human body or apparently any test on the "Modified cells" to see if there is any self limiting activity. Do the modified t-cells go on and attack other parts of the body, isn't even addressed?
>Prevention is always the best medicine, Boost your immune system, Get >healthy eat healthy foods, drink lots of water, juice, take vitamins >and EXERCISE! and still get cancer.
>> > > >But, if science knows how to target a specific gene and turn just that >> > > >gene off, why cant they do this for cancer? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> What makes you believe that cancer is responsive to your immune >> system?
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| KevysMom | 28 May 2009 21:09 |
> What makes you believe that cancer is responsive to your immune > system? Did you read the article I posted?
Then read this also...
GENE THERAPY BOOSTS IMMUNE SYSTEM AGAINST CANCER
What we've done in this new study is give our immune cells the equipment they need to recognise, home in on and destroy cells from tumours, allowing us to harness the power of the immune system to tackle the disease.
http://www.nature.com/bjc/press_releases/p_r_apr03_6600857.html
Prevention is always the best medicine, Boost your immune system, Get healthy eat healthy foods, drink lots of water, juice, take vitamins and EXERCISE!
> > > >But, if science knows how to target a specific gene and turn just that > > > >gene off, why cant they do this for cancer? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > What makes you believe that cancer is responsive to your immune > system? |
| Mark Probert | 28 May 2009 13:58 |
> > >But, if science knows how to target a specific gene and turn just that > > >gene off, why cant they do this for cancer? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > immune system strong so it can do its job to begin with! I would > assume this would be the case for any cancers.. What makes you believe that cancer is responsive to your immune system?
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| KevysMom | 28 May 2009 11:12 |
> >But, if science knows how to target a specific gene and turn just that > >gene off, why cant they do this for cancer? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the gene. once the branch becomes defective, the cancer starts its > uncontrolled growth. Well then I guess the best defense is a better offense. Keep your immune system strong so it can do its job to begin with! I would assume this would be the case for any cancers..
Women who possess variations at either of two locations of the transporter associated with antigen processing (TAP) genes are less than half as likely to develope high-grade cervical intraepithelial neoplasia (CIN), they found.
“Some people are better able than others to mount an immune response that suppresses their HPV infection,” says Mark H. Einstein, M.D., associate professor of obstetrics & gynecology and women’s health at Einstein. “We suspected that this advantage was probably due to variations in genes that play key roles in the body’s immune response.” They thus focused on TAP, which is known to be crucial to the immune system's ability to recognize viruses and eliminate them from the body.
http://www.genengnews.com/news/bnitem.aspx?name=51097439
> On Tue, 26 May 2009 17:30:25 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative, > [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] > > - Show quoted text - |
| Bob Officer | 27 May 2009 05:11 |
>> Chemotherapy targets cells that are rapidly dividing, like cancer cells, >> which is why people with chemo often have problems with making enough [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >But, if science knows how to target a specific gene and turn just that >gene off, why cant they do this for cancer? because it isn't always the same gene with every cancer. Inmost cases I understand it is something called a branch site which is part of the gene. once the branch becomes defective, the cancer starts its uncontrolled growth.
Check with the National Cancer Institute for up to date information.
>> >> Cancer is still a "mystery" disease for the allopath, and why anyone >> >> survives their cut/burn/poison approach is also a mystery. The [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >> >> - Show quoted text -
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| KevysMom | 27 May 2009 00:30 |
> Chemotherapy targets cells that are rapidly dividing, like cancer cells, > which is why people with chemo often have problems with making enough [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Jeff I know science is working on how to turn certain genes back on after they have been turned off. And they use mice to turn off specific genes (e.g ALS) Then they try different things to try and turn that specific cell back on. Science has had success in reversing RETTS Syndrome.
But, if science knows how to target a specific gene and turn just that gene off, why cant they do this for cancer?
> >> Cancer is still a "mystery" disease for the allopath, and why anyone > >> survives their cut/burn/poison approach is also a mystery. The [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > - Show quoted text - |
| Jeff | 27 May 2009 00:25 |
>> Cancer is still a "mystery" disease for the allopath, and why anyone >> survives their cut/burn/poison approach is also a mystery. The [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > completely destroy that particular cell, it will "turn it off". Isnt > that what Chemo does? Chemotherapy targets cells that are rapidly dividing, like cancer cells, which is why people with chemo often have problems with making enough blood cells, leading to immunodeficiency and anemia, hair loss and intestinal problems. Radiation and chemotherapy kill both healthy and cancercous cells. So, unless you can kill only cancer cells, the patient is going to have side effects. Both radiation and chemo are unable only to target cancerous cells.
Type cancer into google, and you will find links to wikipedia, the American Cancer Society and the National Cancer Institute, each of which has pages that answer your question more fully.
Jeff
> On May 26, 10:15 am, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> >> - Show quoted text - |
| KevysMom | 27 May 2009 00:08 |
> Cancer is still a "mystery" disease for the allopath, and why anyone > survives their cut/burn/poison approach is also a mystery. The > allopath does not know why chemo works as poorly as it does. > Experts in this area report that the correct cure rate for cancer > treated allopathically is 2.1%. 2.1% is hardly 85%. Why does cancer grow? When cells are partially damaged they keep producing and you land up with an over-expression of cells(Thats what cancer is, an over-expression of cells) If you can use radiation to completely destroy that particular cell, it will "turn it off". Isnt that what Chemo does?
On May 26, 10:15 am, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote:
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| drceephd@insightbb.com | 26 May 2009 14:15 |
> >http://www.whale.to/a/quack.html > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Jeff Cancer is still a "mystery" disease for the allopath, and why anyone survives their cut/burn/poison approach is also a mystery. The allopath does not know why chemo works as poorly as it does. Experts in this area report that the correct cure rate for cancer treated allopathically is 2.1%. 2.1% is hardly 85%.
DrCee You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons
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| Jeff | 26 May 2009 11:04 |
> http://www.whale.to/a/quack.html With Hodgkin's Disease, there is about an 85% chance of survival with proper treatment. The so-called "natural treatments" that the family is trying to use not only are not working in this case (the tumors are getting larger), but, there is no evidence that "natural treatments" work.
The question the court is dealing with is: Does the state have the right to force treatment on a child with a disease that has a 85% survival rate when the family wants to do nothing?
In this case, the courts are ruling not to give the kid chemotherapy is medical neglect.
Jeff
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| john | 26 May 2009 05:31 |
http://www.whale.to/a/quack.html
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