> > By an incredible coincidence, you appear to BLINDLY accept that > > vaccination is of benefit, you seem to ignore the obvious problems and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > what "genetic damgage?" Please be specific. MECHANISMS OF VACCINATION SEQUELAE by Teresa Binstock Researcher in Developmental and Behavioral Neuroanatomy http://www.jorsm.com/~binstock/vacc-let.htm At Whale
"Role of Immunogenetics in the Diagnosis of Postvaccinal CNS Pathology," Massimo Montinari, et al., Department of Pediatric Surgery, University of Bari, Italy, presented May 9, 1996 (text available http://www.healthy.net/library/articles/coulter/biochem.htm ): after thirty children were found to have signs of central nervous system and genetic damage following vaccination, the authors remark, "A study of the disease associated with genes of the HLA system has shown that this genetic complex can be responsible for am particular genetic susceptibility, predisposing to various diseases characterized predominantly by immune-system pathogenesis… results indicate that autoimmune pathology is more frequent in countries where vaccination is more widespread….." [A fuller description of this study will be found in "The attenuated virus--infectious or not?" below.]
The hepatitis B vaccine, Recombivax HB, manufactured by Merck and Co., is a recombinant DNA vaccine. It is produced by cloning the hepatitis virus, and then, adding the cloned virus to a yeast-based culture. This culture, as with all vaccine cultures, contains a variety of foreign proteins originating from other viruses and bacteria. In 1971, scientists in Geneva discovered that when viral proteins are injected directly into the bloodstream, they combine with human genetic material, causing DNA to mutate. 5 [5. "Vaccines and Production of Negative genetic Changes In Humans," Leading Edge Research Group, 1996-1998. See www.trufax.org/vaccine/vacgen.html] Since 1987, there have been at least 38 reports in international medical literature showing that the hepatitis B vaccine causes chronic autoimmune and neurological disease in both children and adults.11 Because it is genetically engineered, Recombivax HB can confuse the body's immune system into attacking itself resulting in an auto-immune response such as multiple sclerosis (MS).12 In 1997, while publicly defending hepatitis B vaccine, the CDC produced an internal memo suggesting a "possible association between the vaccine and multiple sclerosis."13 [11. "Hepatitis B, The Untold Story": a 16-page Report sent to 55,000 pediatricians by the National Vaccine Information Center in 1999. 12. "Ounce of Prevention, Pound of Misery?" Insight Magazine, March 22, 1999, In this article, Dr. Bonnie Dunbar, professor of cell biology at Baylor College of Medicine and an award-winning vaccine research scientist has stated that because the hepatitis B vaccine derives from a surface protein of virus molecules, the similarities between the antigen and proteins in human nerves and tissues may trick the autoimmune systems of the genetically susceptible into attacking themselves. Dunbar says it may take months or years for the auto- immune response to become obvious. 13. "Shots in the Dark," American Spectator Magazine, May 1999. 14. "Hep B Vaccine Linked Directly to Autoimmune Rheumatoid Diseases," From Doctor's Guide to Medical and Other News, www.pslgroup.com/mednews.htm. ] http://www.vaclib.org/intro/hepbinfo.htm
from: http://www.vaclib.org/news/geneticquotes.htm
IS THAT SPECIFIC ENOUGH FOR YOU OR WOULD YOU LIKE MORE??
> The other supposedly obvious problems are well-known, but very rare. > > What is not as well known is the what happens to kids who get the > diseases the vaccines prevent. Kids die from chicken pox, measles, > mumps, rubella (and get birth defects), invasive Hib infection, etc.
> > - and you also have some sort > > of near hysterical bigotry and bias against Homeopathy - completely [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > with homeopathy and about 50% of patients are cured with conventional > therapy, I would call that major. EXCUSE ME? This is a totally unfair comparison -> Homeopathic cancer research is in its INFANCY, while standard medicine cancer research has had decades of research AND hundreds of millions of dollars. There are at present NO Homeopathic cures for cancer - only research in places like Cuba, Brazil and India, where special interests and medical monopolists have little or no power.
Even the Chinese, with thousands of years of Herbal books and use, are just getting around to scientific testing in some promising areas of herbal cures for cancer. Results are years away, perhaps at least 5 or 10.
> Other major breakthroughs include in type I diabetes, where there is no > cure, but patients are able to live fairly normal lives for decades > versus a few months without insulin; Agree.
> growth hormone, which is able to > let kids achieve normal height, trauma care, heart attack and brain > attack (stroke) care, where patients are often able to leave the > hospital to lead normal lives, Disagree on the strokes. Current stroke care involves some rehabilitation but often does not utilize herbs, Acupuncture and other alternative medicine therapies which may improve the patient or speed their improvement, or improve them when the standards methods fail to achieve useful results. Your generalization indeed has some merit but is not determinative. I believe that right now, typically, the range of movement and other gains in the early post stroke recovery phase reach a plateau beyond which additional progress is problematic. This includes the best rehabilitation and the best medicines.
> opthamology where patients with early > macular degeneration are able to keep their sight, etc. Some injected drugs will help stabilize the effects caused by macular degeneration dry type (the less severe of the two types). I'm not certain on the reversal of damage but doubt it. The addition of dietary substances such as Lutein seems to aid in slowing the progression of dry type too. Treatment of wet type macular degeneration can stablize the leakage but does not in general seem seem to provide any reversal from the damage already done. Alternative medicine, including Acupuncture and Herbs also may have some benefit but do not constitute any sort of determinative treatment either.
> Please show the evidence about the disease that homeopathy is able to > cure or prevent. Not my problem - that is for the Homeopathy researchers to do - please see their research, or take the easy way out and pretend it does not exist.
> > However, it is clear from the nature of the poisonous and immune > > system destroying consequences of these "treatments" AND from the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Citations please that show that those who survived the first treatments > often chose death rather than a repetition of the treatments. Use a search engine and find out for yourself. You yourself stated a survival rate, in general, of 50%. Not too good, eh?
> > Hopefully you advocacy of these kinds of treatments DOES NOT include > > violation of an individual's freedom of medical choice, including > > state forced vaccinations and court orderedchemotherapytreatments > > such as has already happened here. > > No state forces vaccines on anyone. In Feb the state of Texas mandated mandatory gardasil vaccine for schoolgirls. If I'm correct on this and some court has not challenged it, I hope you will join us in protesting this.
> The court-orderedchemotherapy > treatments have a 90% chance of saving the patient's life. And even the > family admitted that they were in the kid's best interest, according to > the newspaper accounts. You forgot to mention the testimony of someone who was on the run from the law years ago for the same problem, avoided the treatment and SURVIVED. He's doing quite well now, without having his immune system shot to hell, thank you very much.
> > Criticisms of the standard medical systems and the numerous > > associations between government, standard medicine and pharmacy [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > As opposed to homeopathy, where the practicioners don't charge any fees, > all have outside jobs and have no financial motives at all? Many Homeopathists are honest hard working, often MD's - a few fraudsters are out there too, I'm sure, but they're in every branch of medicine. And there is a profit making Homeopathy industry to be sure; Nothing new there. I would like to see them subject to the same rules for testing as the other drug companies.
> The pharmaceutical industry exists to make money for the stockholders. > Nothing wrong with that. Agree fully!
>ExxonMobil and Apple both sell excellent > product. But, they both exist to make money for their stockholders, not > to make fuel so we can drive or computers and iPods so we can work and > be entertained. Strongly disagree one the first, agree on the second. Exxon Mobil is part of an organized energy cartel. They are not really interested in increasing production and reducing costs because their suppliers and their entire market is no longer a free market, is not governed by the rules of free market economics, and is helped by government fiat, special tax rules and other incentives. Observe that we are in the worst recession in over 50 years and yet oil prices are rising!!!! This does not jive with reality.
Apple does sell an excellent product, and does exist to make money for themselves and their stockholders - but knows that to do so they must lower costs, innovate and stay competitive - which is exactly what they have been doing.
> > YOU are advised to read "The Secret History of the War on Cancer" by > > Davis, a recent best seller, to get some perspective on where the > > cancer-ists went wrong, and, more importantly, WHY. > > I don't have money or time waste on this crap. Check it out at the local library - it is a REALLY good overview of why, if there has been all this money expended on all this research for all this length of time, the results are so scanty. The author is fully credentialed and knows her topic well. The implications are disturbing to say the least.
Side note on Homeopathy and Vaccines -> BOTH are currently being used on third world populations as a cheap way to do experiments and testing. THIS is wrong. Until the vaccine or Homeopathic is FULLY TESTED in at least some controlled lab situations and published, this sort of thing SHOULD be stopped.
On the other hand, conditions may be so desperate that they give their consent to try anything - if that is so, and it is a possibility, then it should be made clear to them the unproven nature of the treatments and the likelihood of failure. Either the WHO or the United Nations, or BOTH, should be regulating this.
As often happens in these field trial situations, the successes are widely touted and the failures are pushed aside and ignored. A little more science and less marketing, in ALL fields of medicine, would be of benefit to all.
Citizen Jimserac
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