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Re: Breggin revealed
| Markowitz Probertowitz | 27 Sep 2003 14:58 |
> >Subject: Re: Breggin revealed > >From: "Roger Schlafly" rogersc@mindspring.com [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > I guess it all depends who you are. No, Jan it doesn't. You see, Breggin claims:
"To become licensed in the United States, every physician must pass an examination given by the National Board of Medical Examiners or an equivalent examination by a state licensing board. Thus being a "diplomate" of the National Board of Medical Examiners means nothing more than the fact that the doctor has passed a standard licensing exam. Most resum?s I have seen do not list this credential."
Just in case you do not understand it, he is claiming that his medical dcotor license somehow makes him a diplomate of something. EVERY medcial doctor in the US, if they want to be licensed to practice medicine, must pass the test. This does not confer any special consideration or expertise. However, phrased as Breggin does, it can lead one to an erroneous conclusion that he does have some special recognition.
IOW, this is tantamount to lying.
> What's more, on Barrett's website, he mentions this also. > > Of course he never was, double standards of organized medicine. Nope. Clearly the same standard. Barrett does not claim that his medical license confers any special credence to him. Breggin does.
> Then, I find the one who is trashing Dr Breggin is Steven Milloy. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Nuff said. Yes, what you just said shoudl be included on John Scudamore's page under 'ad hominem'. I am mentioned there, twice. And, I made no bones about it. Both are excellent examples of this form of dabate.
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| Jan | 27 Sep 2003 00:10 |
>Subject: Re: Breggin revealed >From: "Roger Schlafly" rogersc@mindspring.com [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >Ok. Even if he were certified, it would necessarily make him right >about anything. This must be from Mark Probert.
>Breggin is not certified Isn't that the strangest thing.
Mark wrote:
>However, wrt Barrett..he appears to have been board eligible. Board certification when he started practising was not the same as today, and many doctors did not go for it. My younger son's ped ortho, licensed in 1951, was not board certified for fifteen years. He is still doing surgery, BTW, and is better in his 'waning years' than some will ever be (comment by several orthopedists who I know, and agreed to by me).
I guess it all depends who you are.
What's more, on Barrett's website, he mentions this also.
Of course he never was, double standards of organized medicine.
Then, I find the one who is trashing Dr Breggin is Steven Milloy.
Athiest, lobbyist.
Member of organized medicine.
Nuff said.
Jan
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| Roger Schlafly | 26 Sep 2003 22:05 |
> In his book The Psychology of Freedom, Breggin wrote, ". permitting children > to have sex among themselves would go a long way toward liberating them from > oppressive parental authority. Goofy opinion, but Alfred Kinsey and others have expressed such opinions.
> It's conceivable that Breggin was just too stupid to note the connection > linking The Prozac Survivors Support Group, the CCHR, and the Church of > Scientology. Conceivable, but not very likely. What's the point? Breggin is not a Scientologist, and he has his own reasons for disliking the Scientologists.
> Breggin is not certified by the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology, > which is the recognized agency for certifying psychiatrists. > Having completed three years of psychiatric training, Breggin is entitled to > call himself a psychiatrist or a "specialist in psychiatry." Until 1996, the Ok. Even if he were certified, it would necessarily make him right about anything.
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| Marko Proberto | 26 Sep 2003 20:16 |
In addition to Barkely's discection of Breggin's books, and Schaler showing of how he lies on the witness stand...
"{Breggin's apparent concern for the welfare of our children is touching, but it's very disconcerting.
In his book The Psychology of Freedom, Breggin wrote, ". permitting children to have sex among themselves would go a long way toward liberating them from oppressive parental authority. This is the main reason that parents fight so hard to prevent sex between children. Sexual freedom would allow their children to become truly independent of them."
Pardon me, but I must question the judgment of a psychiatrist who believes children know what's best when it comes to sex, but challenges whether parents, teachers and doctors know what's best when it comes to children's mental health and prescription medication.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,32794,00.html
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It's conceivable that Breggin was just too stupid to note the connection linking The Prozac Survivors Support Group, the CCHR, and the Church of Scientology. Conceivable, but not very likely. It's also conceivable that Breggin didn't know where all that money came from to pay for his "expert witness" testimony in the "Prozac-made-me-do-it" lawsuits (he earned $45,000 in fees in just one lawsuit). Again, conceivable, but not very likely. Diane Richardson referen@bway.net
http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/breggen.htm
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Breggin is not certified by the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology, which is the recognized agency for certifying psychiatrists. Having completed three years of psychiatric training, Breggin is entitled to call himself a psychiatrist or a "specialist in psychiatry." Until 1996, the Maryland Board of Quality Assurance maintained a list of "identified" specialists. Anyone who completed an approved training program was eligible for listing. No special examination or additional qualifications were required. To become licensed in the United States, every physician must pass an examination given by the National Board of Medical Examiners or an equivalent examination by a state licensing board. Thus being a "diplomate" of the National Board of Medical Examiners means nothing more than the fact that the doctor has passed a standard licensing exam. Most resum?s I have seen do not list this credential. The American Board of Forensic Examiners is not recognized by the American Board of Medical Specialties (ABMS), which is the recognized standard-setting organization. ABMS offers subspecialty certification in forensic psychiatry and forensic pathology, neither of which Breggin has achieved. Only one of the six journals with which Breggin has been affiliated is significant enough to be listed in MEDLINE, the National Library of Medicine's principal online database. On September 5, 2002, I found that Breggin had 33 citations listed in MEDLINE. None of these publications appears to be a research report. Eight were letters to the editor, two were books, and most of the rest were expressions of his opinion on various psychiatric topics.
http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/breggin.html
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