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Refutability and the Scientific Method

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John Sheridan - 31 Jul 2009 00:43 GMT
It is a known, but sometimes forgotten, principle that for any idea
to be called "scientific", it has to be refutable.  For example, the
statement "200 angels can dance on the head of a pin" is not science,
because we don't know what an "angel" is or how to detect one's presence
and location.  So the idea cannot be refuted and therefore does not fall
into the realm of science.

We have two so-called "alternative" ideas being posted here, namely the
Bates method and what we might call the plus lens method.  Regarding these,
all the eye care professionals who post here have (at one time or another)
expressed that they would accept either of these if it could be shown to
work in a clinical trial.  So the eye care professionals pass the
refutability test; they are willing to allow their current ideas to be
refuted and have stated the conditions under which they will allow this.

But for our two proponents of these ideas, it is another story.  

Otis (plus lens method) does not answer the refutability question
directly, but instead substitutes another question for it and answers
that one instead.

Lelouch (Bates method) will not even discuss the question at all.

The failure of these people to correctly address the refutability question
shows that they are not thinking scientifically, and therefore their posts
have no place on a SCI forum.

I encourage people here to simply stop responding to Otis and Lelouch.
Don't even bother to call them "idiots".  Simply ignore them.  Their posts
are not worthy of any attention.

If you are worried that they might mislead people, don't worry.  Just
warn the new people when they show up.  Most people are smart enough
to not be fooled by them anyway.
Neil Brooks - 31 Jul 2009 00:59 GMT
>Most people are smart enough
> to not be fooled by them anyway.

Nope.

I have WAY too much data to refute /that/ conclusion -- including
numerous parents whose kids became diplopic (double vision) by
following Otis's (seemingly well-intended and logical) advice.

In fact, I took that information to the State of Pennsylvania (where
the decrepit old troll lives) to initiate an investigation, and bring
charges, if appropriate.

Essentially, they await further corroborating evidence -- evidence I
would rather he not create.

I tend to double vision.  It sucks.  He can ruin a developing fusion
system by his interference.

I've never had a problem with somebody who wants to try a plus lens,
but have "insisted" that they have a thorough binocular function eval
by a qualified optometrist/ophthalmologist to consider prism, and
whether organic issues may exist.

Otis -- not understanding the nexus between accommodation and
convergence -- just couldn't give sh.t one who he hurts.

The rest of your post ... I couldn't agree more with.
John Sheridan - 31 Jul 2009 01:21 GMT
>>Most people are smart enough
>> to not be fooled by them anyway.
>
>Nope.
>
>I have WAY too much data to refute /that/ conclusion

Well, I didn't say -everyone-, I said -most-... yes I agree, some will
be fooled...

I have to admit though, I really don't know how many kids have become
diplopic because of the plus lens, and what percentage it is, and whether
it is "most" or "few" or something in between.

I have to say this though Neil, the way you call him an "idiot" so
vehemently can make a new person who comes here think that you are the
bad guy.  Your attitude might therefore have just the opposite
effect from what you intend, driving people to listen to Otis who
seems like the good guy by comparison.
Neil Brooks - 31 Jul 2009 01:54 GMT
> I have to say this though Neil, the way you call him an "idiot" so
> vehemently can make a new person who comes here think that you are the
> bad guy.  Your attitude might therefore have just the opposite
> effect from what you intend, driving people to listen to Otis who
> seems like the good guy by comparison.

Fair point.

Those who stay around for any length of time, though, usually see his
unresponsiveness (or worse) ... given that any of the s.m.v. regulars
baits him.

Generally, trolls should be ignored.  When they cause harm, though ...
I just dunno'....
The Real Bev - 31 Jul 2009 06:40 GMT
>>> Most people are smart enough to not be fooled by them anyway.
>>
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> Well, I didn't say -everyone-, I said -most-... yes I agree, some will be
> fooled...

The older I get the more I think that the stupid and careless don't deserve 98%
of the help they're given.  Anybody smart enough to find usenet and dumb enough
to stare at the sun because a total stranger says its's a good idea deserves
whatever happens to him.

Unfortunately, flaming idiots on usenet gives them the attention they love.
Ignoring them at least cuts down the volume of useless bits floating around the
net, a boon to news admins everywhere.

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