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Blue Cone Amplifier

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Trish Raggens - 27 Jun 2009 01:11 GMT
Hi,

Our eyes cones only have 2% blue. But how come we
can see blue clearly? Where in the brain is the blue
amplifier located and how exactly is it amplified?

Trish
Mike Tyner - 27 Jun 2009 02:04 GMT
I'm not sure the amplifier exists. For humans, pure blue has to be brighter
to match the apparent brightness of red or green.

It's why they make 3-D movie glasses out of red and green, not red and blue.

-MT

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Trish Raggens - 27 Jun 2009 02:55 GMT
> I'm not sure the amplifier exists. For humans, pure blue has to be brighter
> to match the apparent brightness of red or green.

Hmm.. but pure blue is really darker than red or green. But yet we
could still see its true shade. As an example. The thermal scanner
used in airports to see fever has wavelength of 8-16 micron. Our
eyes can't see thermal wavelength (far infrared) because of lack
of thermal cones. So we are not supposed to see blue yet we could
see it.

Trish

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Mike Tyner - 27 Jun 2009 04:10 GMT
> Hmm.. but pure blue is really darker than red or green.

I'm not sure what you mean. Light doesn't have less energy when it's blue.
We just don't see it as well.

> But yet we could still see its true shade.

I'm not sure what that means. "True" would be different for bees and other
species, and for humans with color deficiencies.

> As an example. The thermal scanner used in airports
> to see fever has wavelength of 8-16 micron. Our
> eyes can't see thermal wavelength (far infrared) because
>  of lack of thermal cones.

No need for cones because IR doesn't penetrate the cornea. But infrared
detectors in your _skin_ can detect fever, light, fire and other sources of
warmth. Some snakes use infrared to see and strike in the dark.

>So we are not supposed to see blue
> yet we could see it.

I don't understand. As a rule, everything in the body is there for a reason.

We aren't "supposed" to see IR and UV. We did a pretty good job of evolving
cones for the range of light that _does_ reach the retina.

-MT
Dr Judy - 27 Jun 2009 04:19 GMT
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> Trish

First, "blue" cones make up 8% to 15% of cones, depending on which
part of the retina is investigated.
http://webvision.umh.es/webvision/photo2.html#densities

Second, the "red" and "green" cones can also detect blue wavelengths.
http://www.livescience.com/environment/050719_blue_sky.html

Judy
 
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