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Here is the judgment of a Ph.D. that the plus makes it better

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Otis - 25 Jun 2009 05:33 GMT
Dear Bill,

Here is a true demonstration of Soon's graph.

But it takes a scientist to do it RIGHT.

This is of course the second-opinion that a "lens" has a profound
effect on the refractive STATE of the fundamental or "natural" eye.

http://schwerdfeger.name/articles/pluslens.shtml

It just takes a strong personal insight to understand the concept and
do it right UNDER YOUR CONTROL, and ALWAYS before the person is put
into an excessively strong minus -- and gets stair-case myopia from
that minus.

Engineering-Science best,

Otis
Neil Brooks - 25 Jun 2009 05:39 GMT
Ah.

More unverifiable third-hand anecdotes from Uncle Otie.

Gosh.  THANKS, Uncle Otie!

The story about your nearsighted niece (yet another failure of your
method) was getting a bit stale....
bluegrass native, UK alum '76 - 25 Jun 2009 06:22 GMT
> Dear Bill,
>
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> Otis

I have a PhD.
My judgment is that wearing "the plus" has no effect on development of
ammetropia.
Salmon Egg - 25 Jun 2009 15:02 GMT
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> Dear Bill,
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> Otis

I spent too much time trying to read your reference. I have difficulty
with someone who designs a web bag in a way that makes reading
difficult. On contracts, it is usually done with fine print. In this
case it was done with the equivalent of light gray text on somewhat
darker gray background. I tried copying the text to Microsoft word. In
the end, the author admitted he knew nothing about eyes. It was a waste
of time. It certainly did not seem to be a scientific paper.

Bill

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Neil Brooks - 25 Jun 2009 16:05 GMT
> In article
> <8853088b-c7ae-4190-9e1c-e388bb8e8...@r16g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
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> the end, the author admitted he knew nothing about eyes. It was a waste
> of time. It certainly did not seem to be a scientific paper.

Its author is an IT guy.

Likely, he's somebody that does a great deal of near work.

My guess is that he was exhibiting pseudomyopia.  That's very common
among people who make their lives via near work.

The use of a strong cycloplegic agent (eg, homatropine) would have
elicited this.

Reading glasses ARE COMMONLY prescribed for near work, as are
bifocals.

There's zero evidence (to my knowledge) that this sort of
accommodative issue becomes axial-length myopia.

Otis thinks he's discovered fire or the wheel.  Not so much.

Plus lenses are commonly prescribed for numerous types of
accommodative or binocular disorders.  Because Otis doesn't understand
what these are, he can't really recognize this.

Instead, he believes that -- if insulin prevents diabetics from
slipping into a coma -- then insulin must be good for EVERYBODY.  In
effect, he recommends insulin to children and other asymptomatic
people ... with no understanding of the systems it affects and no
concern for the people to whom he recommends it.
Dr Judy - 25 Jun 2009 19:56 GMT
> Dear Bill,
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> http://schwerdfeger.name/articles/pluslens.shtml

Sometimes I wonder whether you actually read the links you post as
support for your ideas.  This one actually states flat out that it is
not the second opinion.

Some quotes from the above posted link:

"a disclaimer is necessary. I do not subscribe to ... the idea that
any one of a handful of "alternative" vision therapies, such as the
Bates method, have a grain of validity to them.  My experience can be
entirely explained by present mainstream theories."

"I know little to nothing about the inner workings of the eye"

"[My Premise:] Nearsightedness is the result of the eye's focusing
muscles becoming stiff after being held tense for long periods of time
during close work.  In all fairness, there is some doubt as to whether
this premise is actually true."

"In healthy eyes, nearsightedness falls, broadly, into one of two
sorts: pseudomyopia and axial myopia. [1] There is a universal
consensus that the premise is true with regard to pseudomyopia, since
pseudomyopia is just that: the eye's focusing muscles becoming stiff.
But there is less agreement when it comes to axial myopia (far more
common than pseudomyopia),"

"Also, note that only pseudomyopia, not axial myopia, can be reversed
by this method, and that almost all cases of nearsightedness above one
diopter or so are cases of axial myopia"

Schwerdfeger's link and treatment is only about pseudomyopia.  Nothing
in it supports "stair case myopia" caused by minus lenses.

Judy
Neil Brooks - 25 Jun 2009 22:56 GMT
> Sometimes I wonder whether you actually read the links you post as
> support for your ideas.  This one actually states flat out that it is
> not the second opinion.

Judy,

You're quite a patient and remarkable person!

It's rare that I'll read ANYTHING referenced by Otis, at this point,
but you keep hanging in there :-)  Bless your heart for catching THIS
ONE, too!

And ... of course ... you're right: it's astounding how often he posts
references to statements by people that DO NOT SUPPORT or FLAT-OUT
CONTRADICT Otis's basic premises.

After all these years, I still can't QUITE pick which fits best, in
describing him: an unmitigated idiot, mentally ill (perhaps pre-senile
dementia), or visually impaired to the point that he just can't read
what he types or posts....
 
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