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For Bill -- How to DISPROVE Einstein's "energy" has mass theory.

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Otis - 24 Jun 2009 20:04 GMT
Dear Bill,

Subject: Why a wise scientific mind is necessary for scientific
"proof".

When Einstein proposed his theory that "Energy" had mass -- everyone
thought he was nuts.

So I propose a test.

Take a cannon ball, and get it to zero degrees C.

Then weight it.

Then heat it to 200 degrees C.

Now if Einstein is correct, the hot ball MUST WEIGH more thant the
ball when it is cold.

When I run this test, I find that I can't measure a difference in
weight -- therefore Einstein was WRONG.

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Bill, I think you know the reason why this test would FAIL to show
that energy has mass (if you are an electical or mechanical engineer).

Some methods of SCIENTIFIC PROOF require more subtle methods -- and
greater understanding by the scientist himself.

So when you "insist" that Soon PROVE that the eye will respond to the
preventive plus (before that first minus) you are asking a very
similar (implied) question.

Like Einstein, you must go "deeper" than that -- for the scientific
issue of mathematical modeling of the fudamental eye's behavior -- in
my engineering opinion.

Analytical Science Best.

Otis
Neil Brooks - 24 Jun 2009 20:39 GMT
But very little subtlety is required to know/learn why your methods
failed to keep your niece, Joy Benson, from becoming a myope with a
restricted driver's license OR did ANYTHING to prevent YOU from
becoming a 7d myope.

Incidentally, didn't you just go running and screaming to the
"majority-opinion" eye doctors when it was time to genuinely fix your
vision....

Hm.  Yeah.  Sure looks that way.
Salmon Egg - 25 Jun 2009 04:30 GMT
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<db02f203-f2db-4123-9d06-a3db27d7291c@z34g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,

> When Einstein proposed his theory that "Energy" had mass -- everyone
> thought he was nuts.
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> When I run this test, I find that I can't measure a difference in
> weight -- therefore Einstein was WRONG.

This is an off-topic misdirection.

Nevertheless, you picked the wrong guy for your argument. You do not
sufficiently sensitive mass measuring equipment. Nevertheless, suitable
equipment is readily available. It is possible to measure the momentum
in the radiated electromagnetic radiation from the hot canon ball using
typical infrared detectors. This momentum transfer comes from the heat
used to heat the ball and is the Einstein mass under consideration, In
principle, repetitive heatinh and radiation capture will keep on
transferring mass from the heating source to those bodies capturing the
radiation. The cannon ball is unaffected after all this mass transfer.
What next?

Bill

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Neil Brooks - 25 Jun 2009 04:56 GMT
> In article
> <db02f203-f2db-4123-9d06-a3db27d72...@z34g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,

Bill,

Did you notice that -- apparently -- Otis has removed his original
post??

This is another part of his insane M.O.:

EVERYTHING he posts is inane and ridiculous, but ... even HE has a
"lunacy threshold," and ... when he exceeds it ... he'll remove the
post.

The guy's an ab-so-lute idiot.
Otis - 25 Jun 2009 16:37 GMT
Dear Bill,

The issues is your demand for proof in a sharply defined context.

No Einstein in fact described his theory as "Heuristic", which means
that INITIALLY he could not offer PROOF, but the concept had to come
first.

He did this in his 1905 papers.  Only long after, was the "proof"
finally developed, and you had to undertstand his concept FIRST before
there could be any discussion of "proof".

Only by your changing the context could you talk about proof.  Yes the
weight change is so small, that it can not be measured.  In THEORY the
change
is their, but you can't measurement.

You need to define the CONTEXT of the test -- to get an accurate
measurement.  This is OFTEN the case in science, and scientific
analysis.

But back to you demand for a clear "yes or no" answer -- to a question
you feel is obvious
Let us assume that you demand that I tell you if light travels in
"waves" or by "particles".

The answer depends on the opinion of the person you ask.

There is no yes or no answer.

Same as preventing entry into a negative STATE for the fundamental
eye.

There are NO easy yes or no answer.

Second-opinion best,

Otis

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Neil Brooks - 25 Jun 2009 16:42 GMT
Evasion, avoidance, and obfuscation.

Otis's only strengths.

Direct answers???  Not that I've seen.  They seem to be far, far
beyond his meager abilities.
 
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