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How Kids Grow Up 75 to 90 percent "myopic"

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Otis - 19 Jun 2009 18:47 GMT
Subject:  Watching -- but NEVER  "understanding" the problem.

Some people will watch this video -- and come to the correct
conclusion.  Others
will burry their head in the sand -- and see nothing.

Clearly prevention in never for "children" -- who could not understand
the
dicipline required.

But it is hard for me to look at children reading at -10 to -13
diotpers (4
inches and 3 inches) and say that this has NO EFFECT ON THE REFRACTIVE
STATE OF
THE NATURAL AND FUNDAMENTAL EYE.

How these two people can LOOK at this video -- and MISS THE POINT --
is beyond
me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lovok2QJwjA&feature=channel

I guess it is safer to pretend that the eye is not dynanic, and kids
doing this will have NO NEGATIVE REFRACTICVE STATE.

But let us add 1 + 1 and see what it equals (for these kids):

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                             (Stats2.txt)

    [The reference studies for the primates and Eskimos are at
     the end of this page.  **]

      FIRST-YEAR HONG KONG UNIVERSITY STUDENTS 87.5 % MYOPIC

o   Goh and Lam (Goh, W.S.  and Lam, C.S., "Changes in refractive
   trends and optical components of Hong Kong Chinese aged 19-39
   years," Ophthal.  Physiol.  Opt., 14:378-382, 1994) found that
   in 2000 first-year students at the University of Hong Kong,
   the prevalence of myopia was 87.5%.

              ******************

      MYOPIA PREVALENCE IS ALWAYS HIGHER THAN 92 PERCENT
            FOR TAIWAN MEDICAL STUDENTS

o   Lin et al (Lin, L.K., Shih, Y.F., Lee, Y.C., Hung, P.T., and
   Hou, P.K., " Changes in ocular refraction and its components
   among medical students - a 5-year longitudinal study", Optom.
   Vis.  Sci., 73:495-498, 1996) found that in a study of 345
   National Taiwan University medical students, the myopia
   prevalence increased from 92.8% to 95.8% over the five year
   period.

              ******************

        OPTOMETRY STUDENTS 72 PERCENT MYOPIC

o   Lam and Yap (Lam, C.S.  and Yap, M.  "Ocular dimensions and
   refraction in Chinese Orientals", Proc.  Int.  Soc.  Eye Res.,
   6:121, 1990) found that in a group of optometry students at
   The Hong Kong Polytechnic University, the prevalence of myopia
   was 75% in females and 69% in males.

              ******************

    70 PERCENT MYOPIC AT AGES 16 TO 17 YEARS OLD

o   Regarding the prevalence of myopia in Asian countries, Lam and
   Goh (Lam, C.S.  and Goh, W.S., "The incidence of refractive
   errors among schoolchildren in Hong Kong in relationship with
   the optical components", Clin.  Exp.  Optom., 74:97-103, 1991)
   found that in 383 school children from ages 6 to 17 years, the
   prevalence of myopia increased from 30% at ages 6-7 years, to
   70% at ages 16-17 years.

              ******************

                    December 6, 2000

By Liu Shao-hua
Staff reporter
Taipei Times

Subject:   Myopia Increases Among Children

    One of every five children in the first grade in Taiwan's
elementary schools is myopic (nearsighted).  The proportion of
myopics in this group has increased from 12.1 percent in 1995 to
20.4 percent this year, according to the results of a survey
released by the Department of Health yesterday.

    The results also show that 60.7 percent of sixth graders in
elementary schools, 80.7 percent of third graders in junior high
schools, and 84.2 percent of third graders in senior high schools
suffer from myopia.  In addition, the number of seriously myopic
children is also on the rise.  The proportion of seriously myopic
children among sixth graders in elementary schools has increased
from 2 percent five years ago to 2.4 percent this year.

    Serious myopia is defined as exceeding 600 degrees (6
diopters).  Anything over 25 degrees (0.25 diopters) is myopia.
Normal eyesight is zero degrees.

    "We appeal for reductions to children's work load in schools
and the amelioration of visual environments in daily life," said
Chen Tzay-jinn, director-general of the health promotion bureau,
under the health department.

    The survey was conducted by the department, in cooperation
with National Taiwan University and its hospital, and involved a
sample of 12,000 students from four million students between the
ages of 7 and 18 nationwide.  Myopia has been on the increase in
Taiwan ever since the first myopia survey in 1983.  The department
manages the survey every four or five years.

    The growth of nearsightedness among young children is thought
to result from learning to read very young and using computers
very young, Chen pointed out.

    Last year, the department and the Ministry of Education
delivered official documents to kindergartens nationwide demanding
that children not be taught to read or use computers too early.
"But many teachers and parents protested against this appeal,"
said the department officials.    "They questioned exactly what they
were permitted to teach if reading was not allowed."

    "We do hope that parents and teachers can heighten their
awareness of myopia and understand that early learning does not
guarantee students' performance in the future, but it does bear a
strong correlation to defects in vision," Chen said.  The
department also appealed for children under the age of 10 not to
be taught how to use computers.

    Senior high school students suffer the highest rates of
nearsightedness, at over 84 percent.  "It reached a plateau five
years ago and has not changed this year.  But their myopia has
become more serious," Chen said.  According to the survey, 20
percent of third graders in senior high schools are seriously
nearsighted.

    Many people thought operations could cure myopia.    "But the
superficial improvement of vision does not better the health of
the eye.  More importantly, it might reduce people's awareness of
other problems associated with nearsightedness, apart from visual
ones," said Lin Lung-kuang, ophthalmology professor at National
Taiwan University.  "Myopia cannot be cured.  We have to prevent
children from becoming nearsighted.  Don't let them use their
vision too early," Lin urged.

    Because of the public's lack of awareness of myopia, the
department estimated its prevalence would continue to grow.
"Singapore resembles Taiwan in many respects and the extent of its
myopia problem might serve as a warning for us," Chen said.

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I could also say that Taiwan resembles Japan.  But that would be
drawing logical conclusions from the facts themselves.

Enjoy,
Otis - 19 Jun 2009 19:13 GMT
Babbling>  Yet ... most people can understand that:

- if 85% of school-children followed do NOT get myopia;

Otis>  85 percent of the kids (if they go through college) will have a
negative refractive STATE.

- Uncle Otie keeps his nephew and his niece from wearing minus
lenses, AND has them wearing plus lenses;

Otis>  No, they confirm they pas the required LEGAL visual acuity
requirement.  They are well aware of the Oakley Young study, and the
consequences of doing what these Japanese kids are doing.  But the
choice to PREVENT must be by THEIR educated judgment.

http://myopiafree.i-see.org/bifig1.gif

Otis> Some people, more mature and with educated judgment CAN learn to
prevent -- before that first over-prescribed minus is applied.

Babbling>  - The nephew does not develop myopia, but the niece does

Otis> "Babbling" has no clue about any of this, no understanding and
no wisdom.

Otis> Prevention (as per Paul Harris's father) is a matter of wise
support of the parent himself.  It is not something that can ever be
"prescribed", and therefore can not be classed as "medicine" in any
sense of the word.

Babbling> It's a virtual certainty that the nephew wouldn't have
become myopic
anyway, and that the treatment failed to keep the niece from becoming
myopic.

Otis>  Take a look at Francis Young study.  You need an excellent
knowledge of statistics (which Babbling lacks) to truly understand
taking PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY to keep your refractive STATE postive,
and your Snellen clear.  That is up to the person himself.  But go
back an watch these kids WITH THEIR NOSE ON THE PAGE, and tell
yourself that the natural eye (as a dynamic system) does not change
its refractives STATE in a negative direction.

Babbling> MOST people can understand this.

Otis>  It takes a mature person to understand scientific choice.  It
takes a person with a good grasp of scientific concepts  AND
STATISTICS to PROTECT his distant vision through the college years.
As with the pilots, scientists and optometrists (second-opinion) SOME
get the correct idea and clear their Snellen under THEIR control.

Otis> But go back and watch the Japanese kids WITH THEIR NOSE ON THE
BOOK.  Then, as Babbling insists, say  "the eye is not dynamic, the
eye is not dynamic, the eye is not dynamic."

Scientific prevention best,

> Subject:  Watching -- but NEVER  "understanding" the problem.
>
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>
> Enjoy,
Neil Brooks - 19 Jun 2009 19:27 GMT
> Babbling>  - The nephew does not develop myopia, but the niece does
>
> Otis> "Babbling" has no clue about any of this, no understanding and
> no wisdom.

Which part of your niece is myopic -- with a restricted drivers
license -- don't I understand, again?

 http://www.chinamyopia.org/otis%20&joy.htm

Hmmmm.  Her words.  Hmmm.

Life would be easier for you if everybody else on this newsgroup were
as foolish as you.

But they aren't.

Sorry.

> Babbling> It's a virtual certainty that the nephew wouldn't have
> become myopic
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Otis>  Take a look at Francis Young study.  You need an excellent
> knowledge of statistics (which Babbling lacks)

I do?  I LACK that knowledge?

Really??

Do you understand the difference between randomization and a test
group comprising only near-point esophores (eg, Oakley-Young)?

You've never given anybody a hint of a reason to believe that you do.

I, on the other hand, do.

> to truly understand
> taking PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY to keep your refractive STATE postive,
> and your Snellen clear.  That is up to the person himself.  

So, then, you're calling your niece lazy.

She can't appreciate that.

> Otis>  It takes a mature person to understand scientific choice.  

So your niece, now, is lazy AND immature?

She can't appreciate THAT, either.

> It
> takes a person with a good grasp of scientific concepts  AND
> STATISTICS to PROTECT his distant vision through the college years.

So your niece, now, is lazy, immature, AND STUPID?

Joy?  Are you getting all of this??

I think I'd take offense, if I were you.

> Then, as Babbling insists, say  "the eye is not dynamic, the
> eye is not dynamic, the eye is not dynamic."

Once or twice, putting words into other people's mouths could be
called making a straw man argument.

Time and again, though -- despite being corrected REPEATEDLY -- means
you are an unabashed liar.

So ... OSB the first WAS an idiot, and you had no choice??

Wow.

Astounding.
Neil Brooks - 19 Jun 2009 19:37 GMT
By the way, Uncle Otie:

With YOUR notion of the dynamic eye (the proposed ability of plus
lenses to prevent, halt, or reverse myopia) ... how is it that YOU
were unable to halt YOUR myopic progression, or reverse it, until --
at 7d -- you had cataract surgery?

Hmmmmm.

That really doesn't add up, now does it?
Mike Tyner - 20 Jun 2009 02:01 GMT
Otis>  85 percent of the kids (if they go through college) will have a
negative refractive STATE.

It also rains a lot in Japan.

You take that as evidence they know how to control the weather?

-MT
 
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