I look at quite a few images online as I am an amateur photographer.
One thing I've noticed is that there is a pretty wide range of
abilities in being able to discern the differences between images.
Often people will compare two cameras on the same image. And when
they do some people can see pretty significant differences and others
seem to be unable to see any difference at all.
In order to help the debates along a little I would like to find a way
to objectively or at least quasi-objectively be able to test the
ability to discern differences between two images.
Here are two that are currently being discussed on www.dpreview.com in
the sigma forum:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1027&thread=29963586
The images are at:
http://www.pbase.com/franklin/image/105711528
http://www.pbase.com/franklin/image/105709356
These two images are from cameras with vastly different capabilities
and one would expect there to be differences simply base on the sensor
size, pixel pitch and number of pixels, yet some seem to be unable to
see the difference. Aside from the blue sky and objects in the very
far background from around the grocery cart next to a car in the
parking lot and further back, the remainder of the pictures shows much
better granularity, edge sharpness and clarity in the latter image
than in the former. It's not unexpected given the two cameras. What
puzzles me is why some people seem unable to see these differences.
Is there somewhere online a test that would help objectively assess
the abilities of the participants in the convsersations so that they
could realize their abilities or lack thereof?
thanks,
Mike
Dear Mike,
The term "Visual Acuity" does not necessarily mean an evaluation of a
picture -- which tends to be subjective, given color, light and many
other factors.
Ther is a more restrictive definition in science. And for the human
eye, it means the ability to "resolve" to points of light to
one minute-of-arc.
Thus, in photographic plates in astronomy, the judgment is in
the ability of the photograph to resolve the separation of
stars (as a pratical matter).
Thus in a camera, you should talk about "resolution" in those terms --
in
an objective manner.
The other issues are subjective, and you can not convince a person
that one "shading" is "better" than another -- you just
wind up with endless arguments about which is better.
But enjoy our conversations on this topic.
On Nov 10, 6:19 am, "docm...@gmail.com" <docm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I look at quite a few images online as I am an amateur photographer.
> One thing I've noticed is that there is a pretty wide range of
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> Mike
ShadowTek - 10 Nov 2008 19:07 GMT
When I was a kid, I always wondered why the pictures I took looked so much
more vibrant than in my memory. When I went to get my drivers licence for
the first time and had to take the standard eye exam, I found out that I
was nearsighted and needed glasses, so that explained it.
docmaas@gmail.com - 10 Nov 2008 19:13 GMT
Yes, I know that. I had done some research prior to my post and that
is why the "contrast sensitivity" showed up in the title as well. I
did find an online test for that aspect of vision and it is more like
what I am looking for.
If you care to look at the two images I posted links for it is quite
clear to me that the granularity of definition in one is far superior
to that in the other. It's not a focus issue but a resolution issue.
Some people don't seem to be able to see this and I was looking for a
test that might help to objectify the different levels of ability to
see these differences between observers. The test at:
http://www.contrastsensitivity.net/cstvs2.html may help if used at
appropriate distances. My own test results are perfect in the left
eye and with both eyes and failure with my right eye in which I have
amblyopia. Perhaps the fact that I have had these extremes for my
entire life have made me more sensitive to these differences than
others.
Still looking for further suggestions if anyone has them.
thanks,
Mike
> Dear Mike,
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> > Mike
Yes
docmaas@gmail.com schreef:
> Is there somewhere online a test that would help objectively assess
> the abilities of the participants in the convsersations so that they
> could realize their abilities or lack thereof?
No.
Jan (normally Dutch spoken)