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dumbstruck - 23 Oct 2008 03:25 GMT
I just had a .75 to 1.0 reduction in my nearsightedness prescribed
(from around -2.5 to a smaller absolute number), and boy do the
resulting glasses give me sharp vision. Partly due to being thinner,
although they did have to increase the cyl by about half a diopter
(boo).

This really surprises and pleases me, and I thought I would speculate
on why it happened. I think it was accidental vision therapy thru
stress relieving lenses. I don't expect anyone to agree, because it
was poorly received here when I recounted a much earlier reduction
thru formal vision therapy, although that was more a reversal of a
rapid freefall of nearsightedness.

The only other explanation that comes to mind is PVDetachment stirring
up the mix, which I hear can destabilize your prescription. But would
it have similar effects to both eyes, in both sph and cyl? Would it
result in me evolving to match the exact prescription of my reduced
SPH "therapy" glasses?!

To make this even more provocative, I propose the catalyst was a big
high def TV, which I think congress should make medically tax
deductable (grin). I watch with stress relieving glasses due to
knowing from experience that less SPH is needed based on the distance
(and more comfortable). I also knew if you undercorrect just a tad for
any given distance, this seems to "tease" my eye muscles into relaxing
which brings it into focus. This muscle spasm issue was diagnosed on
me by an eyedoc, and may not be the root of other folks n.s. problems.

However this was out of mind... I had seemed stable SPHwise for years
and thought any improvement was just a part of history for me.  I
happened to start watching a really ultrasharp top of the line big TV
for the last couple months. I just couldn't believe the visual clarity
and for example half hour travel shows took an hour for me to view,
with constant pausing and backing up even on shows I had already seen
for sights I had seen in person. Could count the bristles of a
mustache or a pine tree. (BTW you should reset most tuning parameters
of big TV's, which are shamelessly tweaked to look good in a bright
flourescent showroom).

So I was viewing what was more vivid and interesting than "reality",
with stress relieving glasses. Then was prescribed the same sph for
"real life". What else could it be besides HDTV + undercorrection,
although wonder whats going on about the cyl degradation?
Mike Tyner - 23 Oct 2008 14:36 GMT
> This really surprises and pleases me, and I thought I would speculate
> on why it happened. I think it was accidental vision therapy

Why would you invent an imaginary process to explain such a common
occurrance?

-MT
dumbstruck - 24 Oct 2008 00:22 GMT
> > This really surprises and pleases me, and I thought I would speculate
> > on why it happened. I think it was accidental vision therapy
>
> Why would you invent an imaginary process to explain such a common
> occurrance?

That is common? It certainly hasn't been for me, after a long life of
backsliding or stable SPH. I AM being a little teasing about the
recent situation which I don't pretend to understand.

But the earlier situation could only be attributed to vision therapy
with a high degree of certainty by any unbiased observer. There was a
sudden death spiral of SPH that exactly coincided with intense near
point work over a couple years. This was addressed with V.T. with
frequent eye exams where I have graphed the rebounding results, which
were able to persist during later nearpoint work.

I graph SPH and CYL over decades of many eye exams, and have never
seen SPH otherwise go down until now. Do you expect it to suddenly
drop randomly or for some specific reason, when it never has for me
before except in emergency VT? I hadn't honestly thought vision
therapy would do much good for someone whose vision had been stable
for a while vs. backsliding, but what else?
Dan Abel - 24 Oct 2008 01:35 GMT
In article
<a933ec95-95ed-4607-99c5-66a154a39f19@x1g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,

> > > This really surprises and pleases me, and I thought I would speculate
> > > on why it happened. I think it was accidental vision therapy
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> therapy would do much good for someone whose vision had been stable
> for a while vs. backsliding, but what else?

How old are you?

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Petaluma, California USA
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Mike Tyner - 24 Oct 2008 04:18 GMT
>That is common? It certainly hasn't been for me, after a long life of
>backsliding or stable SPH. I AM being a little teasing about the
>recent situation which I don't pretend to understand.

It's common in the sense that 25-50% of the nearsighted population gets this
pleasant little surprise at some time or other. Usually it's just one or two
checkups where you see "improvement," then it levels off for several years.

It's due to getting older, not to some exercises you might have done in the
past.

Since it happens to everybody, it happens to farsighted people too. It makes
them "worse" and it makes eagle-eyed emmetropes wind up +0.50 or +0.75
farsighted, eventually. It starts about age 18. From that point on, mammals
get less elastic. GUTIIBTA*.

In the eyeball, a little of your shift in focal length is because the
structure changes with age. But another part is neurological, changes in the
reflexes and habits we use to control the structure, without conscious
effort. This "reflex" component of myopia is the part you can modify with
VT, and this "accommodative" part disappears as you age.

>sudden death spiral of SPH that exactly coincided with intense
> near point work over a couple years.

Frequently describing myopia that is exaggerated by excess accommodation, a
commoncondition that guarantees a "miraculous improvement" in adulthood.

> drop randomly or for some specific reason,
> when it never has for me
> before except in emergency VT?

"Emergency VT" could be effective in accommodative myopia, but never
anatomical.

> I hadn't honestly thought vision
> therapy would do much good for
> someone whose vision had been stable
> for a while vs. backsliding, but what else?

Backsliding is religion. Vision therapy can't improve anatomical refractive
errors. But Mother Nature cures all accommodative myopia if you live long
enough.

-MT, OD

*Get Used To It It Beats The Alternative
tarkneeka_bivens@yahoo.com - 29 Oct 2008 04:06 GMT
> > > This really surprises and pleases me, and I thought I would speculate
> > > on why it happened. I think it was accidental vision therapy
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> therapy would do much good for someone whose vision had been stable
> for a while vs. backsliding, but what else?

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tarkneeka_bivens@yahoo.com - 29 Oct 2008 04:05 GMT
> > This really surprises and pleases me, and I thought I would speculate
> > on why it happened. I think it was accidental vision therapy
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> -MT

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the
41-year-old woman, "There was over $71,000 in that bag, that's more
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picked him up. Little did they suspect that where the bills were
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Internet.
Every day after school for the past 2 months, he had been doing this
on
his computer in his bedroom. "I just got an E-mail one day and I
figured
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started sending it out", says the 15-year-old. The E-mail letter he
received had 5 names and addresses listed on it and contained
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delete
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the
other 4 names and addresses down one step, finally add

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in the comment (Subject) section type "Please add me to your list".
Below are the emails that you transfer the money into:

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Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as close
to the original as possible.

Now, post your amended article to at least 200 news groups (there

are thousands of groups).

And email your message to as many people you can. Remember, the more
you post and email the more money you make! This is perfectly legal!

You are getting paid for a service, the sender of the money asks you
to
Please add me to your list, Therefore it is legal. Remember to send
a dollar to the above names or this is considered illegal.

HOW TO POST TO NEWS GROUPS:

Use the internet and searching for various news groups, ad posting
websites, on-line forums, message
boards, chat sites, discussions.

Log on any search engine like yahoo.com, google.com, altavista.com,
excite.com, etc., then search with the subject "money making message
board" or "classified ads"
You will find thousands and thousands of message boards and
companies like Adblaster.com, InetGiant.
com, LiveDeal.com, Adsubmitter.com etc=85

Click on them one by one and you will find the option ''post a new
message''. Then Post this article
as a ''new message'' by highlighting the text of this letter and
selecting copy then paste from the edit
menu.

Fill in the Subject, this will be the header that everyone sees as
they scroll through the list of
postings in a particular group, click the post message button.

You can also read other peoples ads for business opportunities and
respond to their email
address with this business opportunity.

You're done with your first one! It only takes about 60 seconds to
complete postings on message boards
after you catch on.

REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWS GROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL
MAKE!!

But you have to post a minimum of 200!

How does it work?

Step10

When you post 200 letters, it is estimated that at least 15 people
will respond and send you $1 ($15).
Those 15 will post 200 letters each and 225 will send $1 ($225).
Those 225 will post 200 letters each and
3,375 people will send you $1 ($3,375). Those 3,375 people will post
200 letters each and 50,625 people
will send you $1 (50,625). Those 50,625 will post 200 letters each
and 749,375 people will send you $1
(749,375). At this point your name drops off the list, but so far,
you have received $813,615.00.

With an investment of only $6.00!!

A - M - A - Z - I - N - G - !!

When your name is no longer on the list, you just take the latest
posting in the news groups, and send out
another $6.00 to Email Addresses using PayPal on the list, putting
your name at number 6 again.
otisbrown@embarqmail.com - 24 Oct 2008 18:16 GMT
Dear Dumbstruck,

I am dumbfounded that you did not read your Snellen.

Why not click here, and then on "Display" several times.

http://www.smbs.buffalo.edu/oph/ped/IVAC/IVAC.html

Then back up by 20 feet and determine which line you can
read 1/2 the letters correctly.

The letters are indeed "radom" so you should gat an accurate
and objective visual acuity measurement.

Best,

> I just had a .75 to 1.0 reduction in my nearsightedness prescribed
> (from around -2.5 to a smaller absolute number), and boy do the
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
> "real life". What else could it be besides HDTV + undercorrection,
> although wonder whats going on about the cyl degradation?
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 26 Oct 2008 00:40 GMT
On Oct 24, 1:16 pm, otisbr...@embarqmail.com wrote:
> Dear Dumbstruck,
>
[quoted text clipped - 55 lines]
> > "real life". What else could it be besides HDTV + undercorrection,
> > although wonder whats going on about the cyl degradation?

keep reading and rereading that Snellen.  its almost guaranteed to
improved your results on an acuity test when you test yourself the
next time.  wonder why?

hey, I wonder if I recite my Portugese vocabulary words over and over
again if I'll score better on my vocabulary test?

Otis, you are an idiot.
 
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