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cataracts, night vision & "night glasses"

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nobody - 01 Sep 2008 17:22 GMT
I'll be having cataract surgery & have read info on cataracts & its
effect on limiting night vision.  Wondering if the yellow tinted
"night driving glasses" will help with night driving.

I guess the night driving glasses may cut down glare but have doubts
about the visibility of objects.

Anyone know or have experience with the night driving glasses that
is being advertised?
Mike Tyner - 01 Sep 2008 20:03 GMT
> I'll be having cataract surgery & have read info on cataracts & its
> effect on limiting night vision.  Wondering if the yellow tinted
> "night driving glasses" will help with night driving.

If you're having cataract surgery, it's usually because your corrected
vision in the better eye has decreased enough to cause you problems.

In that event, just removing one cataract will probably improve your vision
so much that the effects of yellow vs clear, or coated vs noncoated, will
probably be trivial non-issues. After cataract surgery, see if there's
residual refractive error and whether or not prescription glasses would be
worthwhile. Then worry about the colors and coatings.  You could be fine
with a pair of drugstore glasses for reading.

Compared to 20/40 from cataract or refractive error, "night driving"
modifications can't make a lot of difference, no matter what they advertise.

-MT
Salmon Egg - 01 Sep 2008 20:03 GMT
> I'll be having cataract surgery & have read info on cataracts & its
> effect on limiting night vision.  Wondering if the yellow tinted
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> Anyone know or have experience with the night driving glasses that
> is being advertised?

I am not a health professional. My background is in optics.

Most eyeglasses DO NOT cut down on glare compared to light useful for
vision. Polarized lenses can do so at the expense of losing more than
50% of the light. They can cut down on some glare reflected off of the
road, especially from the sun at some times of the day,

Yellow tints can improve contrast under some circumstances. That is why
they used to be used a lot in black and white photography.

All in all, my educated guess is that you want all the light you can get
when driving dark roads at night. I would be open to changing my mind if
presented with experimental data showing benefit. Watch out for sellers'
hype.

Bill
nobody - 01 Sep 2008 21:03 GMT
>> I'll be having cataract surgery & have read info on cataracts & its
>> effect on limiting night vision.  Wondering if the yellow tinted
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>
> Bill

I was wondering since the AR lenses is supposed to allow more light to
come thru.  On a website that had a before & after effect of AR, I felt
that I saw more objects without AR than with AR; I attributed that the
glare bounced more light to the object (person) standing next to the
car even if the headlight was glaring.  I got AR lenses anyway......

I need to trackdown that website as it could have been my old monitor; but
if I can see more things with glare than without, glare is the way to go.
Salmon Egg - 02 Sep 2008 00:32 GMT
> I was wondering since the AR lenses is supposed to allow more light to
> come thru.  On a website that had a before & after effect of AR, I felt
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> I need to trackdown that website as it could have been my old monitor; but
> if I can see more things with glare than without, glare is the way to go.

I read your post twice and still have some trouble understanding what
you are trying to say. For ordinary glass and typical plastic, about 4%
of incident light is reflected and lost from each surface or 8% from the
front and  back of the lens combined. That is not really very much. The
problem often created is that the reflections cause unwanted images and
confusion. In photography where there can easily be six to eight
glass-air interfaces in a lens, that can be a lot of light loss and
degradation of the image on the film or sensor. In photography, that is
called flare. Certainly a bright light behind you can reflect off of
your lens surfaces into your eye.

There are many different kinds of AR coatings. I am not very familiar
with those use on eyeglass lenses. The simplest ones will reduce
reflectivity to about 1% per surface. Many more tricks at greater
expense can be performed using multilayer AR coatings. Is it worth it? I
think that is highly subjective.

By the way, multilayer coatings can be used to color glasses,
particularly sunglasses. That usually ends up reducing transmission
through the lens be increasing reflectivity at some wavelengths.

Bill
nobody - 02 Sep 2008 03:43 GMT
>> I was wondering since the AR lenses is supposed to allow more light to
>> come thru.  On a website that had a before & after effect of AR, I felt
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>
> Bill

The website had 2 pictures displayed to show how much more one can see
with AR coated eyeglasses; a thread a few years back said that there was
more light getting thru a pair eyeglasses using AR coatings.

Now, the website's pics was a headon shot of a car at night with the
headlights on & a person standing back by the door.  With AR coating,
the area around the headlights do show up clearer BUT, from my perspective,
more of the person was visible in the pic without the AR coating.

So, I'm just guessing that flare is making the more of the person visible
when not AR is applied if all else was equal.  Don't really understand
why that is so; could be psycological that when objects are "brighter", it
appears that one can see more.  My AR coated lenses seem to make objects
less "bright" so that it seems that the objects are "dimmer" than when
glare/flare is present.
Salmon Egg - 02 Sep 2008 06:05 GMT
> The website had 2 pictures displayed to show how much more one can see
> with AR coated eyeglasses; a thread a few years back said that there was
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> less "bright" so that it seems that the objects are "dimmer" than when
> glare/flare is present.

You are probably attributing too more capability to the practice of
photography than is justified. For example, in viewing a computer screen
in a subdued light environment, AR coatings have little to offer. The 8%
loss in transmitted light signal is virtually insignificant. On the
other hand, scattering and multiple reflection from lens surfaces can
give a noisy background that makes it very difficult to see what is near
a headlight pointing at you.

Bill
 
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