This afternoon me and Andrew Judd shared an interested little chat on
Yahoo Instant Messenger. I think he was slightly frustrated at the end
because he was using a lot of cursing against me! Anyway, I shall post
it here for the interest of the reader.

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Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:13:09 PM): hello
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:13:16 PM): it's me, zetsu
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:13:20 PM): Sup
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:13:41 PM): i am busy at the
moment......we can arrange a time though
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:13:45 PM): sure no prob
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:14:01 PM): are you mad at Mike Tyner and
niel
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:14:04 PM): lol
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:14:10 PM): they mock you
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:14:11 PM): they dont exist for now...
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:14:14 PM): hehe
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:14:35 PM): andrew, i disagree with your
theories, but i do respect how you are so determined
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:14:40 PM): in your work
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:14:48 PM): Well, so am I. We all have to
be, huh
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:15:05 PM): I watched ur videos
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:15:11 PM): if we want normal sight we
need to compare what we imagine with what is real
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:15:16 PM): quite cool - even if THEY'rE
COMPLETELY WRONG imo
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:15:34 PM): being determined can cause
myopia
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:15:49 PM): sometimes, I just don't get
what you're talking about.. i mean you talk in such a mystical way
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:15:53 PM): couldn't you just talk normaly
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:16:03 PM): we need to arrange another
time....sorry. i have to go
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:16:03 PM): otherwise i struggle to
understand u
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:16:08 PM): OKK
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:16:10 PM): laterz
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:16:18 PM): i am happy to talk to you
via phone
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:16:23 PM): Lol
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:16:31 PM): i am not a mystical person
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:16:38 PM): you give that impression
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:16:44 PM): just straight forwards and
ordinary
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:17:27 PM): OK sorry to distrub u but I
just got one more question: are you gona' come back on sci.med.vision?
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:17:36 PM): it gets boring when there's no
one to argue with
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:17:44 PM): id love to argue with you
there
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:19:30 PM): talk to me later.....i had
to go for now
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:19:38 PM): see ya!
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:19:52 PM): TAKE CARE - - and stay off the
beer eh?
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:19:53 PM): lol
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:20:45 PM): i am by the way not all
interested in arguing.......if people want the words of bates
clarified thqat is one thing but i am not goign to argue about
it.........why should i? people can have their wrong headed
beliefs.......i cannot change what they insist on believing
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:20:57 PM): good point
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:21:13 PM): "When they learn, by actual
demonstration of the facts, just how their visual defects are
produced, they unconsciously avoid the unconscious strain which causes
them" "It is obtained only during moments of relaxation, and retained
only as long as the causes of strain are avoided; but how this is
accomplished cannot be fully explained, just as many other
psychological phenomena cannot be explained." "It has also been
demonstrated that for every error of refraction there is a different
kind of strain."
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:21:55 PM):
http://www.central-fixation.com/bem/bettereyesight_1920_08.htm#contagious
"For an error of refraction is simply a nervous condition, and there
is nothing more contagious than nervousness. A person with myopia,
hypermetropia, or astigmatism, is a person under a strain. This strain
shows in his voice, his walk, his manner, and makes the people with
whom he comes in contact nervous. These people then develop errors of
refraction, temporarily if the influence is temporary, and permanently
if the influence is permanent, as in the case of children who cannot
escape from their nervous teachers and parents. Endless illustrations
of this fact could be given. A few must suffice." And elsewhere: "the
strain which causes the one condition is different from that which
produces the other.
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:22:13 PM): yeah
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:23:55 PM): so why you think i am wrong
is beyond me
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:24:32 PM): all i know for a fact is you
believe i am wrong. But i am entirelly clueless as to what is wrong
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:25:47 PM): You may be right or you may be
wrong, I am not concerned. But I feel that the way you present the
Bates method is distorting and untrue to the real spirit of Bates -
which is to retain absolute simplicity. There is nothing complicated
about the cure of imperfect sight. To complicate things is an error.
To simplify is an aid in securing rest. Therefore simplicity = cure.
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:26:30 PM): The way you talk about bates
makes it sound so complicated - personality blah blah - but really
it's a very simple matter of securing relaxation 24/7 by the
procedures which bates has already written about
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:26:38 PM): there's no need to invent new
theories - theories are always wrong of course
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:26:53 PM): i have no f.cking
theories!!!!!
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:26:53 PM): Bates has done the work for us
- now it's just a matter of following what he recommends and get on
with it
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:26:59 PM): It seems you do have theories
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:27:01 PM): go to hell
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:27:09 PM): Chill
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:27:26 PM): Theories are just theories
until you prove them as fact - which bates has done
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:27:26 PM): just go f.ck off and live
your life and leave me the f.ck alone
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:27:40 PM): thats the relaxing choice
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:27:42 PM): Calm down, man. I am not
attacking you personally - just your life
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:27:44 PM): dont try to change me!!!
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:27:47 PM): change yoruself
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:27:48 PM): just your ideas* i meant
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:28:13 PM): you dont get it do you?? you
are the f.cking enemy!!
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:28:18 PM): Why?
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:28:35 PM): you are clueless as to what
BAtes meant by relaxation
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:28:44 PM): How so?
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:29:55 PM): what did Bates mean by
relaxation. Give me a definition please
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:30:19 PM): when the mind is free from
strain and effort and the stare- that is relaxation - not some
personality changing crap
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:32:39 PM): how do you imagine that if a
person has an abnormal condition of their own minds so that it affects
they walk and talk and act and affects all those it comes in contact
with that they can resolve that without it visibly changing the way
they interact with other people????????????????
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:33:24 PM): the personality changes and
the way one interacts and behaves - these are merely a side affect of
the cure of imerpfect sight]
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:33:26 PM): ok i am now free to talk to
you
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:33:43 PM): the methods of rest will have
this affect AS WELL AS improving the vision
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:33:51 PM): they happen simulataneously
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:34:02 PM): there is no need to manually
go about changing one's personality
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:34:04 PM): if you imagine you can go on
being the same person you were that affects all people you come into
contact with by swinging or palming then you are delusional
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:34:05 PM): that's the HARD way]
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:34:08 PM): take the EASY way
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:34:33 PM): I do believe so. I don't think
I am delusional because many of the bates practioners, including me
and Jason Sperry , have had this exact experience
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:34:40 PM): people who dont get quick
cures are holding onto their wrong way of being
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:34:43 PM): our personalaity changes along
with our eyesight
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:35:03 PM): i am not talking to people
who have been successful
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:35:08 PM): people who don't get quick
cures are simply still straining and have not learnt how to maintain
rest in the mind 24/7 - simple as that
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:35:17 PM): nothing to do with personality
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:35:18 PM): i am talking to people who
have not been successfull
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:35:27 PM): I see
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:35:57 PM): people who dispite endless
certainty and endlessly believing they understand Bates still do not
have normal eyesight
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:36:13 PM): OK
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:36:45 PM): These people want to keep
their old way of being. they resist relaxation
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:37:06 PM): personally, I don't think
anyone 'understands' BATES fully. it's not necessary to understand
HIM! it's only necessary to understand the METHODS and keep practicing
diligently until you reach the permanent cure. that's all
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:37:10 PM): But the way of being that is
wrong is visible to the outside world
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:38:00 PM): ok
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:38:45 PM): hey andrew I don't want to
intrude on your personal life but I am just wondering - what's your
profession
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:38:48 PM): are you an Enginner?
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:39:17 PM): coz the way you talk about
Bridges and nuts and bolts and things makes you sound like one, Lol
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:39:25 PM): that is where you are wrong
i believe. a logically minded myopic person thinks that only methods
or details need to be done..............a holistic person realises
what they are wantingt to achieve........ a mind at rest behaving in a
normal manner as oppposed to a wrong way as for example all these
c.nts who say they are teachers and who are too cowardly to reveal
their eyes are as f.cked as the next person who is wanting to
learn........who they expect to be paid to learn what thye cannot
understand themselves...........that is WRONG thinking. That is LYING.
Bates made a direct connectiong between LYING AND MYOPIA
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:39:44 PM): ok
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:39:57 PM): i am attempting to talk to
people who are often very left brained.............
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:40:10 PM): So... we have identified
exactly where we disagree right there.
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:40:21 PM): i cant f.cking win with
you.......i am too sspiritucal and now i am too much an engineer
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:40:36 PM): You basically think there
needs to be holistic stuff involvedand personality and I think that
there has to be just the practical stuff done
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:40:46 PM): so, that's where we disagree
with each other
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:40:48 PM): isnt it
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:40:58 PM): you see the details of the
bridge but you dont see the design
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:41:15 PM): you think you can build a
bridge from its parts
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:41:35 PM): even if the purpose of the
bridge is irrelevant to you
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:41:40 PM): ok
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:41:48 PM): yeah, i read your post about
that
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:42:31 PM): hey what's your job . i am
just curious ?
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:42:36 PM): what do you work as
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:42:49 PM): you seem to have no ability
to see the work of Bates in its bigger picture
context...........almost certainly you dont have normal vision and
almost certainly you are on eof these people who believes he can carry
on abusing the f.ck out of people and still get good vision
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:43:15 PM): as of this moment i am a
currency trader and retired or something
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:43:22 PM): oh ok cool
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:44:07 PM): but tha tis not
me..............i am something different..........just have not got
that part worked out
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:44:37 PM): k
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:44:39 PM): i dont understand why people
so strongly resist the overarching vision of Bates and why they get
bogged down in the ffucking details
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:44:53 PM): i dont understand what you
mean
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:45:01 PM): could you reword it
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:45:17 PM): what does ovearching mean
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:45:50 PM): if a person holds onto an
abnormal way of relating to people and things and all that they
experience no amount of palming is going to fix that.............they
have to want to be come normal as oppposed to insisting on being
abnormal
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:46:03 PM): oo
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:46:28 PM): the first thing BAtes did
was to settle the minds of his clients
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:46:53 PM): yeah he made them demonstrate
that things like staring and effort etc. was harmful
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:46:54 PM): so they were calm......he
then got them to relax more deeply.........and he asked them to
experience their vision
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:47:23 PM): and if necessary he spent
months arguing with them to show them what he was meaning
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:47:46 PM): meanwhile ultimately finally
he was broken by the f.cking resistance
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:47:47 PM): lol yeah
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:48:06 PM): some people had to wait MONTHS
before they realize that staring was harmful hahaha
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:48:27 PM): when you can demonstrate
normal sight then you will be credible
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:48:27 PM): the quicker you can realize it
= the faster you get cured
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:49:37 PM): meanwhile we have the
reality of Bates that a person who has a specific kind of abnormal
condition of their mind will have a specific kind of vision rpoblem.
and each specific vision problem that is an abnormal condition of the
mind can be *taught*
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:50:12 PM): anybody can learn to be
myopic.....and anybody can learn how to not be myopic
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:50:28 PM): but nobody can get normal
vision if they dont want to learn about their own wrong thinking
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:50:40 PM): wrong thinking is the heart
of the problem.....specific wrong thinking
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:50:55 PM): yes, but he also taught that
one should not waste time by dwindling over the various manifestations
of strain - he said "just take off your glasses, get on with the cure
by rest methods and don't argue" he never said nothing about
personality needing to be changed to bring about cure
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:51:17 PM): strain is a useless thing to
even consider..........it is wrong thinking that is the problem
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:51:36 PM): I agree
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:51:49 PM): wrong thinking - the tendency
to complicate things .
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:51:58 PM): right thinking -the tendency
to simplify
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:52:09 PM): the tendency to seek
dissagreement instead of seeking similarity
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:52:19 PM): yes
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:53:22 PM): have you read the bates
article - think right?
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:53:26 PM): it's one of my favorite
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:53:32 PM): from hes magazines
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:53:34 PM): i am not complicating
anything............if some c.nt wants to imagine he is doing it right
and spends 20 years doing it his way and he thinks that is right then
he can be a c.nt for all i care...........But bates said it was
because he is a c.nt that he cant see normally!
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:53:49 PM): loll
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:53:59 PM): hehehehe you are a funny guy
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:54:28 PM): my idea is very very
simple.....our vision describes us
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:54:35 PM): I see
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:54:51 PM): and when we let go of the
old us and embrace the real true realaxed us then we see
normally.....why is tha tso f.cking compleagted???
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:55:17 PM): but , if you take a look at
the response you are getting, you'd realize that people are finding
what you are teaching the very ANTITHESIS of simple. that's my
personal observation, I'm not insulting you, just critisizing you.
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:55:38 PM): people have no clue what your
talking about
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:55:48 PM): just take a look on the
forums , sci. med vision, etc
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:55:52 PM): no one has a bloody clue
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:55:54 PM): what you are saying
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:55:59 PM): it's all a blur
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:56:05 PM): i am talking to an audience
who migth want to know why it is that they ave been bates teachers for
20 or m ore years and still cant see well.........
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:56:12 PM): this is the very opposite of
what bates taught
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:56:20 PM): he said things in the
mostsimple, direct manner possible
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:56:35 PM): lol, I haven't even lived for
20 years yet
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:57:20 PM): I agree that the so called
'Bates teachers" are IDIOTS
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:57:22 PM): yes!!! you have an abnormal
condition of your mind and anybody coming into contact with you gets a
nervous train and is likely to go blind if they spend time with
you...............the guy was onto something..........and he enver
even met you. I say the man was great
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:57:59 PM): who?
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:58:01 PM): what man
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:58:07 PM): Bates
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:58:09 PM): oo
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:58:27 PM): ok
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:58:38 PM): Bates knew that specific
wrong thinking created vision problems
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:58:51 PM): he knew that thinking right
was the way forwards out of the blurr
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:59:02 PM): yes, but he also knew that
rest methods cured ALL the different vision problems - regardless what
kind of strain it was
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:59:15 PM): the strain ceases, INVARIABLY<
when rest of the mind by the methods is used and found
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:59:19 PM): no......rest and correct use
of the mind
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:59:30 PM): correct use of the mind will
come about BY DEFAULT if one rests the mind
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:59:30 PM): you are mixing things up
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:59:37 PM): it is not possible to separate
them into two
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:59:43 PM): YOu are mixing things up,
andrwe
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 12:59:47 PM): forget about strain. it is a
useles idea
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 12:59:50 PM): they occur simultaneously
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:00:00 PM): How? It is the ENTIRE cause
ofimperfect sight
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 1:00:11 PM): strain enables peope to
imagine they can unstrain themselves..........that is totally wrong
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:00:15 PM): it's quite a significant idea,
I'd think
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 1:00:33 PM): NO!!!!!!! wrong thinking is
the basic idea
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:00:34 PM): exactly. NOW we are getting
somewher!!
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:00:40 PM): you are CORECT!
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:00:46 PM): unstrain is WRGON!
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:00:48 PM): wrong*
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:00:56 PM): you can't unstrain.. you just
have to REST lol
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:01:00 PM): it's so easy and simple
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 1:01:06 PM): and rest alone cannot resolve
wrong thinking
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:01:07 PM): theres not much to it
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:01:11 PM): yes it can..
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 1:01:13 PM): NO!!!!!
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:01:17 PM): YES! lol
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 1:01:54 PM): The mind has to be used in a
normal manner with a particular type of control..............something
needs to be understood there
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:02:13 PM): Indeed. and that 'normal
manner' will come about BY DEFAULT - when one learns to rest his mind
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 1:02:20 PM): it is rest and education that
is needed
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:02:22 PM): YESS
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 1:02:23 PM): not just rest
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:02:24 PM): just rest
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:02:37 PM): education iin the methods used
to attain rest is needed, yes
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:02:47 PM): and when that rest is achieved,
perfect sight comes aboout naturally
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:02:52 PM): nothing more to it
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:03:09 PM): the changes in one's thinking
will occur automatically without any effort on your part
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:03:15 PM): they will just happen,
unconsciously
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 1:03:17 PM): so how does a person arrive
at this rest state that you seem to be suggesting exists
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:03:21 PM): you don't need to consciously
change that
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:03:37 PM): exactly by using the methods
which bates has detailed in his 1920 book
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:03:46 PM): if you read the book he talks
precisely about that
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:03:56 PM): that's the whole point of
'bates method' isnt it?
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 1:04:00 PM): dont treat me like i am a
c.nt
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:04:07 PM): I'm not attacking you, just
your ideas.
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 1:04:24 PM): do you really imagine i have
not read ;the fukcing bates book??????
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:04:35 PM): No. I am simply stating the
fact that
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:04:44 PM): you asked: how can one get to
this suposed 'rest state;
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:04:51 PM): so I say: you can find out by
reading the book
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:04:58 PM): am i not right??
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 1:05:05 PM): you are distorting the idea
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:05:07 PM): how
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 1:05:38 PM): you are taking several
thousand words and then picking out one or two words and then
imagining the whhole two thoughand words can be forgotten
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:06:01 PM): no... I am taking this: there
is one goal - REST
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:06:06 PM): and there are many ways one can
accomplish this rest
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:06:13 PM): and those methods are ALREADY
DESCRIBED in the book!
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:06:21 PM): therefore, anything new is
unnecessray
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:06:31 PM): uneccesary*
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 1:06:39 PM): the idea is your mind is
f.cked up.......and if you can secure a way of unfucking your mind
which he said was related to relaxation and removing wrong
thinking.......then he said you wont be f.cked up
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:06:56 PM): Yes, I agree
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:07:10 PM): and he's told us HOW to get
that 'un***ing
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:07:17 PM): using the rest methods
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:07:55 PM): dont u agree
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:09:04 PM): sori , my internet disconectedd
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:09:10 PM): im back
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 1:09:19 PM): i see.......so bates said
nothing about developing good mental control?????? nothing about being
interested in what ;you were looking at?????? nothing about being
bored being an abnormal condition of your mind......nothing about
learning to use memory and imagination in a controlle dmaner? nothing
about lying and myopia??? nothing about nothing it seems accept
f.cking rest!!!!!!! your level of undrestanding is low
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:09:50 PM): he said all these things were
the MEANS BY WHICH one can attain rest
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:09:57 PM): he didn't say THEY were the END
GOAL
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:10:16 PM): imagination, memory, mental
control, interest in the things one is looking at, not gettings bored-
these are all MEANS
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:10:27 PM): a medium through which one can
gain the end result of rest
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 1:10:56 PM): you see to believe you can
condence the whole f.cking book down to rest............so that a
person does not even need to have a lifeto see normally.......all they
need to do is rest,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,no wonder people think that BAtes
was a f.cking idiot!!!!! nobody understands the guy......
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:11:12 PM): I do indeed believe the whole
book can be condensed down to rest
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 1:11:41 PM): we have nothing to talk
about. I dont need to f.cking argue with an idiot like you. I need to
rest.
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:11:54 PM): why do you get so worked up ,
man
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:12:05 PM): chill , like i said i am only
critisizing your ideas
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:12:11 PM): why can't you take a bit of
critisizm mate
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 1:12:18 PM): it would be easier if killing
people was legal......
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:12:34 PM): Chill out! all this swearing
and insulting accomplished nothing
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 1:12:39 PM): you are the f.cking enemy of
bAtes.......and you iagine you ar the guardian of bates
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 1:12:54 PM): you are like quackenbush and
all the other fucktards
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:12:57 PM): the only way we can progress is
by talking sensibly and listening to each other and being friendly and
not using BAD WORDS !
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 1:13:19 PM): you spend all your f.cking
time absing peole.......see what it feels like?
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:13:31 PM): so, you can continue to talk
like this ; or you can act your age and be a grown up.
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:13:41 PM): What is this, man? 2 year old
behaviour
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:13:56 PM): do you need a dummy or what
andrewedwardjudd (4/10/2008 1:13:59 PM): i am 52 when c.nts come along
and tell me that i need to agree with themm then they get what is
socming
Hatake Kakashi (4/10/2008 1:14:08 PM): then act like your 52