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Medical Forum / General / Vision / March 2008My mothers eyes keep closing involuntarily
I'm wondering if anyone has heard of this? Since two doctors and one opthamologist have not. My mom, for about 2 months has begun to have her eyes close when she doesn't want them to, during the day. It's not related to anything having to do with lack of sleep. They just seem to want to be closed and she has to keep them open. She now says it's so hard and irritating trying to keep them open while watching TV that she just lets them close and listens to the TV. Of course she is now scared to drive since it seems to be getting worse. She is seeing a neurologist in April. Thanks for any help or suggestions This is just a manifestation of strain in the mind and the eyes. It will be cured by following the methods of the normal eye, instructed in the work of Dr Bates. Observe how at times when her strain is greatest, the tendency to close her eyes involuntarily is also worst. Question her about this, I am certain that she will agree on this. She can learn to stop the effort and strain and by so doing the problem will eliminate itself. Remind her that to make an effort to keep her eyes open is futile. There should never be a forced effort of any kind on her part. If the eyes want to close, let them close. They are simply, naturally, and unconsciously trying to escape the strain inflicted on them. The sun treatment would be a special help, I believe. > opthamologist have not. My mom, for about 2 months has begun to have > her eyes close when she doesn't want them to, during the day. It's not > related to anything having to do with lack of sleep. They just seem to > want to be closed and she has to keep them open. She now says it's so > hard and irritating trying to keep them open while watching TV that > she just lets them close and listens to the TV. You can call it "bilateral ptosis". That's not a disease, just a description, a term to google. Sometimes it's a lid problem, sometimes it's a brain problem, and sometimes it's psychological. Ask her to put a drop of Opcon or Naphcon in just one eye. If her lid perks up, wait a day and try the other eye. In any case, tell her doctor what happens. -MT, OD Meant to mention also she should see what happens with a bag of ice over one eye for a couple of minutes. If the eyedrop or the ice bag cause a big improvement, it doesn't mean the problem is solved. She should still see the neurologist. -MT, OD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Tyner" <mtyner@mindspring.com> > Ask her to put a drop of Opcon or Naphcon in just one eye. If her lid > perks up, wait a day and try the other eye. > > In any case, tell her doctor what happens. Please also encourage your mother to blink often and to always notice the movement of objects as she goes opposite. > Meant to mention also she should see what happens with a bag of ice over one > eye for a couple of minutes. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > -MT, OD Hey, Mike.... the OP wrote: "She now says it's so hard and irritating trying to keep them open while watching TV that she just lets them close and listens to the TV. " Makes me think.... When I remove my (fluid-filled scleral) lenses, my eyes pretty much want to close. In my case, it's pretty clear why: severe dry eyes. Would you think that's a possible here, too? If so, I'm wondering whether a "more benign" diagnostic drop -- say, a preservative-free eye lubricant -- might be a 'better' approach? TIA, Neil > want to close. In my case, it's pretty clear why: severe dry eyes. > > Would you think that's a possible here, too? > > If so, I'm wondering whether a "more benign" diagnostic drop -- say, a > preservative-free eye lubricant -- might be a 'better' approach? You're right, I don't usually think of dry eyes causing ptosis but it could be. -MT Dry eyes is nothing but another way that strain manifests itself in the individual. Some people react to strain with dry eyes, some with bilateral ptosis, some with myopia, some with fatigue, etc. It is a symptom, and relieving the symptom with ice, with eyedrops, or a bag of ice does not relieve the root - it relieves the stems of the plant, so to speak, and gives only a temporary satisfaction and a continued reliance on the external application. This is evident with the participants of this group; here we have Neil Brooks, famed with a severe condition of very dry eyes, and continues to rely on his eye drops or even more strangely, contact lenses stuffed with a fluid material to simulate the environment of the eyeball with the highest degree of seamlessness. Isn't it strange that some go to such lengths to relieve their pain, a mere symptom, and remain with the original strain which causes it? It such a simple cycle: Cure the strain, cure the dry eyes, cure the pain, cure the vision. > Dry eyes is nothing but another way that strain manifests itself in > the individual. Some people react to strain with dry eyes, some with [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > It such a simple cycle: > Cure the strain, cure the dry eyes, cure the pain, cure the vision. That's really odd. My eyes were evaluated with flow cytometry, confocal microscopy, scanning electron microscopy, rose bengal staining, a biopsy, fluorescein staining, and a host of other tests. Nothing in those tests revealed "strain" in any way, shape, or form. Also funny how many Buddhist monks I have met ... whose daily lives involve some ten hours of meditation ... who need glasses, have dry eyes, or other such issues. Maybe it's strain from a past life? The strain of people suffering in other countries? If somebody cuts their finger, is the resultant bleeding just a "strain" issue?? Meditation, concentration, hypnosis, astral projection.. these are words that we who truly seek Perfect Sight do not understand or care for. The methods of the normal eye are neither the strange and cruel methods of punishing oneself by sitting down for 10 hour periods (and staring at a candle?). Perhaps this does bring some kind of enlightenment of the spirit, but it is really very irrelevant to the matter of strain. As to someone cutting their finger, the resultant bleeding is a matter of the law of physics and chemistry. > Meditation, concentration, hypnosis, astral projection.. these are > words that we who truly seek Perfect Sight do not understand or care [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > enlightenment of the spirit, but it is really very irrelevant to the > matter of strain. Gee. I dunno. If you do some research, many of these monks can raise and lower their core temperature, their heart rate, their respirations, and other things. > As to someone cutting their finger, the resultant bleeding is a matter > of the law of physics and chemistry. But ... you're saying that they eyes don't operate under these same principles? And ... your justification/evidence of that IS ... simply ... your saying that. Is that right? Increase respiration, raise your core temperature.. this is all very well for the monks who possess the ability, and I am awed at them for such capabilities, but this still is not relevant to the cure of imperfect sight. Yes, the eyes also operate under the principles of physics and chemistry. Please let us end this bicker - it is not serving to any sense of worth. I have work to do, goodnight. > Please let us end this bicker - it is not serving to any sense of > worth. I have work to do, goodnight. I'm sorry. I almost forgot that you don't like your pronouncements to be met with legitimate questions, science, or facts. You OR Otis. I also apologize. But it seems to me that your questions are sometimes really quite meaningless? I cannot spare time for meaninglessness, sorry. > > Please let us end this bicker - it is not serving to any sense of > > worth. I have work to do, goodnight. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You OR Otis. long it 4 hrs > > Meant to mention also she should see what happens with a bag of ice over one > > eye for a couple of minutes. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > TIA, > Neil need some hotttttt 11" 4 11 hrs & some |
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