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Thinnest point vs optical center - prism effect?

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DONALD KOCHER - 06 Feb 2008 15:37 GMT
My prescription is: OD -4.50 -0.50 135, OS -1.75 -4.25 175, BIFOCAL ADD: OD
+2.00 OS+2.00 (Half moon). There is no prism called for in the prescripton.

The thinnest point of the right lens is 3 mm higher than the left.  This was
measured from the seg line.  I think this is called "induced prism" or
"prism by decentration".

The optician maintains that the optical centers (OC) are correct and that
there is no prism in the glasses. The optician also says that the OCs do not
correspond to the thinnest point of the lens because they are bifocals.

Is it possible that these glasses do not have prism?
Mike Tyner - 06 Feb 2008 19:17 GMT
Regardless of what you measure, it's easy to identify.

Put the glasses on and choose a small, distant object. Be sure you're
looking straight ahead, through the centers of the lenses.

Cover one eye with your hand, then quickly switch to the other eye, and
repeat back-and-forth to see if the distant object jumps up or down.

It might jump side-to-side; that isn't relevant. Vertical prism produces
only up-and-down motion.

If it doesn't jump up or down significantly, then either there is no
vertical prism, or the prism is exactly right for you.

If there is significant prism, it's usually hard to wear the glasses.

-MT, OD

> My prescription is: OD -4.50 -0.50 135, OS -1.75 -4.25 175, BIFOCAL ADD:
> OD +2.00 OS+2.00 (Half moon). There is no prism called for in the
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> Is it possible that these glasses do not have prism?
Robert Martellaro - 08 Feb 2008 19:22 GMT
>Regardless of what you measure, it's easy to identify.
>
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>Cover one eye with your hand, then quickly switch to the other eye, and
>repeat back-and-forth to see if the distant object jumps up or down.

Now you've done it- the entire eyeglass wearing population of planet earth is
going to start walking around covering one eye checking for VI.  Ay caramba!

>> My prescription is: OD -4.50 -0.50 135, OS -1.75 -4.25 175, BIFOCAL ADD:
>> OD +2.00 OS+2.00 (Half moon). There is no prism called for in the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> was measured from the seg line.  I think this is called "induced prism" or
>> "prism by decentration".

Sounds like an engineer. Calipers are good for measuring thickness but not for
prism.

>> The optician maintains that the optical centers (OC) are correct and that
>> there is no prism in the glasses. The optician also says that the OCs do
>> not correspond to the thinnest point of the lens because they are
>> bifocals.

The vertical distance OCs can be placed anywhere from the top of the lens to the
bottom of the bifocal, equal or unequal in height. Unequal heights would be
appropriate if the eyes are not level.

>> Is it possible that these glasses do not have prism?

Yes, it's possible. At this power, the OCs should be + or - 1mm total on the
vertical meridian, and + or - 2.5mm total on the horizontal meridian, (from the
ANSI Z80.1-2005 standards) referenced to the specified position. I've specified
monocular PDs with disparities of as much as 4mm, and vertical centers of 3mm.

The optician should place a plus sign at the distance OC of each lens and verify
that the lens aligns with the center of the pupil for each eye.  

Hope this helps,

Robert Martellaro
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Optician/Owner
Roberts Optical
Wauwatosa Wi.
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"Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself."
- Richard Feynman
 
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