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did I order the right eyewear?

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dacconverter - 08 Dec 2007 03:05 GMT
How stupid of me to ask AFTER placing an order for eyewear.

Just yesterday, I went to Cohen's optical. The frames are exactly what
I wanted. But second thoughts linger over the lenses I've purchased.

I opted for lenses with Cristal ( sp? These are supposed to provide
antireflective coating with scratch/fingerprint resistance. ) and
Transitions ( photochromic, is supposed tint my lenses in sunlight but
return clear when indoors ) coatings. The lenses alone costed me a bit
shy of $400 and I can't help but wonder if I went overboard on this
one.

Two relevant things about me: I am a dentist, and I am a heavy LCD
screen user. Apparently, color accuracy and visual acuity are
important to me.

Will I experience problems with color  or anything else with vision
when using these glasses? From my knowledge, the Transitions part of
the lenses will eventually wear out. When they do wear out, will I
then experience problems with color or visual accuracy?

Info would be appreciated. Thanks.
Mark A - 08 Dec 2007 04:03 GMT
> How stupid of me to ask AFTER placing an order for eyewear.
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> Info would be appreciated. Thanks.

The AR coating is Crizal or Crizal Alize. The Crizal Alize is easier to keep
clean than regular Crizal.

The transitions part of the lens is a dye, not a coating. I am not an expert
on these, but there are various versions (Transitions V is the best).

Transitions lenses are never as clear indoors as plain lenses, so there is
going to be some color distortion and some loss of light compared to a clear
lens. They come in grey and brown, so you may want grey if you want less
color distortion. However, brown lenses usually work best outdoors in
sunlight because the block more blue light and have better contrast outdoors
than grey lenses.

Personally, I would opt for a different pair glasses for outdoor and indoor
use.
Mike Tyner - 08 Dec 2007 04:19 GMT
Crizal and Transitions are both name brands with good reputations. $400 for
those premium brands isn't scalping.

Transitions Gray has a pretty neutral effect on color balance. Even so, both
gray and brown lighten almost completely, away from UV light.

Complaints of color "distortion" are rare with either product.

-MT
dacconverter - 08 Dec 2007 04:43 GMT
> Crizal and Transitions are both name brands with good reputations. $400 for
> those premium brands isn't scalping.
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>
> -MT

Suppose I get the task of, say, choosing a porcelain shade matching
the color of another object. ( done indoors )

Will these chosen lenses interfere with my ability in choosing the
right value, chroma, and hue? ( color )

Will they ever be a problem when the lenses loose their photochromic
ability in the future?
Mike Tyner - 08 Dec 2007 06:53 GMT
> Suppose I get the task of, say, choosing a porcelain shade matching
> the color of another object. ( done indoors )

> Will these chosen lenses interfere with my ability in choosing the
> right value, chroma, and hue? ( color )

If you're comparing side-by-side, IMO no. It's pretty difficult to imagine a
problem with gray photochromic in its lightest state. Neutral-density
filters are widely used in photography without disturbing color balance.
Brown is another story but you don't say which Transitions you chose. No
matter, in the lightest state even brown wouldn't prevent you from matching
hues in side-by-side comparisons.

> Will they ever be a problem when the lenses loose their photochromic
> ability in the future?

The gray Transitions don't discolor with time, that I noticed.

> your feedback is different from what Mark A had written.
> Did you both personally try transitions?

There are other topics Mark and I don't agree on, but I didn't say anything
outright contradictory. The incidence of "color distortion" complaints is
very small, with Crizal or Transitions.

I wore Transitions once. They lightened to about 90% transmittance, or
better. They didn't get dark enough in sun, so separate sunglasses always
make more sense for me.

-MT
dacconverter - 08 Dec 2007 04:45 GMT
> Crizal and Transitions are both name brands with good reputations. $400 for
> those premium brands isn't scalping.
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>
> -MT

your feedback is different from what Mark A had written. Did you both
personally try transitions?
Mark A - 08 Dec 2007 07:22 GMT
"dacconverter" <seagate1556@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> your feedback is different from what Mark A had written. Did you both
> personally try transitions?

Not really. I said that grey is more neutral than brows,

Regarding complaints, I never said people complain about brown, it is just
that there will be some color inaccuracy. Most people don't care or get used
to it (the same way we get used to the difference between a white florescent
light and a warm incandescent light). The brain adapts to the differences. I
wear dark brown sunglasses and after a short time I don't even notice the
brown tint.

But if you are going to be shade matching crowns, etc, then that might be
another story (I am not sure what to tell you).
dacconverter - 09 Dec 2007 00:42 GMT
> But if you are going to be shade matching crowns, etc, then that might be
> another story (I am not sure what to tell you).

I just went back to the opticians and asked that they cancel the order
for Transitions lenses.

They started to look annoyed when I told them I should have been
warned about future tinted discolorations ( more so important due to
my profession ) and minimal effectiveness when driving. I was a good
customer and all; I paid the entire balance even though the glasses
won't be ready until in 7 days.

They said they will inquire their manager on how to handle the
difference in price, now that I canceled the Transitions. I hope I'll
be given a full refund for the Transitions coatings. For my
circumstances, I don't think it's fair for me to get anything other
than a refund for those coatings.

In the meantime, I've gotten a pair of temporary eyewear. It's
supposed to be the same prescription that I always had. But I'm
feeling dizzy in these and I hope these lenses were made properly.
 
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