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MK - 31 Oct 2007 10:19 GMT
Hi !

I had my Lasik 7 years ago. Everything was fine until about month ago
when I noticed my eysight has gone worse. I'm nearsighted. I had -7
then and now I think my sight is -1,5.

What are the risks of second Lasik operation after many years from the
first one?

MK
Mike Tyner - 31 Oct 2007 13:51 GMT
> What are the risks of second Lasik operation after many years from the
> first one?

There are other considerations, but the risk is virtually 100% that you'll
have to wear reading glasses after 40.

As it stands, you won't.

-MT, OD
Glenn - USAEyes.org - 31 Oct 2007 16:39 GMT
>Hi !
>
>I had my Lasik 7 years ago. Everything was fine until about month ago
>when I noticed my eysight has gone worse. I'm nearsighted. I had -7
>then and now I think my sight is -1,5.

A 1.50 diopter change in refractive error in a short time period does
not sound like normal Lasik regression. You need to investigate the
underlying cause of the change. If you are a woman, are you pregnant
or menopausal?

http://www.usaeyes.org/lasik/faq/lasik-pregnancy-pregnant.htm

>What are the risks of second Lasik operation after many years from the
>first one?

The risk for Lasik enhancement surgery are virtually the same as the
first surgery except the surgeon better understands how your cornea
reacts to the laser energy, the flap will not need to be cut (even
after this much time it can be surgically lifted). There is an
increased probability of epithelial ingrowth that if occurs may
require a flap lift later.

http://www.usaeyes.org/lasik/faq/epithelial-ingrowth.htm

Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes (R)
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Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org

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p.clarkii@gmail.com - 01 Nov 2007 03:41 GMT
> Hi !
>
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>
> MK

to become -1.50 in about a month's time is unusual and is not typical
of a normal refractive change.  do you have any medical conditions
such as diabetes or thyroid dysfunction?  I would hold out and see if
your recent nearsightedness reverses before considering a lasik
enhancement.

also, as Mike Tyner suggests, if you are near age 40, a -1.50
prescription is actually nice to have.  you will be able to naturally
see up close rather than looking through reading glasses.  its
actually beneficial to be mildly nearsighted around age 40.
spammer - 01 Nov 2007 04:12 GMT
On Oct 31, 9:41 pm, p.clar...@gmail.com wrote:

> also, as Mike Tyner suggests, if you are near age 40, a -1.50
> prescription is actually nice to have.  you will be able to naturally
> see up close rather than looking through reading glasses.  its
> actually beneficial to be mildly nearsighted around age 40.

 That is completely subjective, and I for one do not feel it's
beneficial to be nearsighted at any age.
Mike Tyner - 01 Nov 2007 04:25 GMT
>  That is completely subjective, and I for one do not feel it's
> beneficial to be nearsighted at any age.

Well it's subjective, but surely you can believe there are a lot of -1.50
myopes who are subjectively happy with their uncorrected near vision.

Myopia only propagates in nature when it is beneficial to some subset of the
species.

-MT
spammer - 01 Nov 2007 05:01 GMT
> >  That is completely subjective, and I for one do not feel it's
> > beneficial to be nearsighted at any age.
>
> Well it's subjective, but surely you can believe there are a lot of -1.50
> myopes who are subjectively happy with their uncorrected near vision.

Yes, I agree, but there are also a lot of people who do not enjoy a
slight myopia. I just wanted to point out that "broad brush" thing.
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 01 Nov 2007 12:12 GMT
> On Oct 31, 9:41 pm, p.clar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
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>   That is completely subjective, and I for one do not feel it's
> beneficial to be nearsighted at any age.

You may have this opinion, but most average presbyopes don't (IMHO
only).  I have worked as an associate doctor at two different LASIK-
based practices now and the last place really didn't like me
discussing this point with patients at all.  Very often I would see
patients on 1 day follow-ups who told me that the day of surgery they
used to be able to read the newspaper in the morning without their
glasses but that morning (after surgery) they realized they couldn't
any more. They didn't understand that that was going to happen to them
when they got LASIK.  Sure it was brushed over very quickly when they
got the typical "disclaimer" stuff from the doctor after they accepted
that they would do the procedure.  They just didn't catch it along
with all the other blah blah.  I think that frankly sucks and that's
one of the reasons I left there.

I'm slightly myopic in one eye (-0.75) and a little more in the other
(-1.75) and I'm also presbyopic.  I wouldn't have LASIK for the
world.  I get around quite well this way and to make presbyopes
perfectly 20/20 in the distance (or worse yet, slightly hyperopic as
many LASIK practices seem to do) and make them totally dependent on
carrying crutch-like readers around is not desirable to most average
folks.  As slight myopes, most presbyopes can where single vision
distance glasses that they lift up to read.

Sure, its all a person's opinion as to whether its better to be
slightly myopic as a presbyope versus perfectly emmetropic as your
position seems to be.  Every one is different and everyone is entitled
to a totally informed consent.   But I think more people would agree
that a little myopia isn't a bad thing when you get over 40.
Dr. Leukoma - 01 Nov 2007 13:58 GMT
On Nov 1, 6:12 am, p.clar...@gmail.com wrote:

> > On Oct 31, 9:41 pm, p.clar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
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> to a totally informed consent.   But I think more people would agree
> that a little myopia isn't a bad thing when you get over 40.

I agree that the sudden onset of this much myopia needs to be
investigated.  On the other hand, the onset may not have been as
sudden as the OP makes it seem.

I have found that it is difficult for young non-presbyopes to
appreciate a "little myopia," especially since the original goal was
to obtain clear distance vision.  However, it certainly is prudent to
mention this as the OP may actually be presbyopic, but doesn't realize
it because of the myopia.
spammer - 02 Nov 2007 02:13 GMT
On Nov 1, 6:12 am, p.clar...@gmail.com wrote:

> You may have this opinion, but most average presbyopes don't (IMHO
> only).  I have worked as an associate doctor at two different LASIK-
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> with all the other blah blah.  I think that frankly sucks and that's
> one of the reasons I left there.

The morning after my surgery I couldn't read a thing either. But that
temporary condition dissipated. It was to be expected.
I had my lasik at forty years of age seven years ago and still do not
need readers.
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 02 Nov 2007 02:19 GMT
> On Nov 1, 6:12 am, p.clar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
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> I had my lasik at forty years of age seven years ago and still do not
> need readers.

well that explains everything.  your are at the end of the bell-shaped
curve.  soon you will appreciate the value that a little
nearsightedness brings.
spammer - 02 Nov 2007 02:23 GMT
On Nov 1, 8:19 pm, p.clar...@gmail.com wrote:

> well that explains everything.  your are at the end of the bell-shaped
> curve.  soon you will appreciate the value that a little
> nearsightedness brings.-

I know my time will come (presbyopia), and I'd rather use readers
than have to wear glasses for myopia. That's why I had the surgery in
the first place.
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 02 Nov 2007 05:17 GMT
> On Nov 1, 8:19 pm, p.clar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
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> than have to wear glasses for myopia. That's why I had the surgery in
> the first place.

i understand. I have many different types of patients and some feel
the same as you.  we are all different, and as long as we all
understand what LASIK can and cannot do, and what being a little
myopic does offer, then going either way is fine.
spammer - 03 Nov 2007 02:48 GMT
On Nov 1, 11:17 pm, p.clar...@gmail.com wrote:

> i understand. I have many different types of patients and some feel
> the same as you.  we are all different, and as long as we all
> understand what LASIK can and cannot do, and what being a little
> myopic does offer, then going either way is fine.

  Exactly !!!!

In my case myopia didn't offer me much, not even any draft picks.  :)
Anon E. Muss - 01 Nov 2007 15:08 GMT
>> Hi !
>>
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>to become -1.50 in about a month's time is unusual and is not typical
>of a normal refractive change.

You don't know that from that history!

He might have been a -7.00 prior to LASIK, had LASIK 7 years ago, then
slowly ever since then start to have an increase in myopia, say -0.25D
over the past 6 years, which would bring him to a -1.50D refractive
error.  Unless he had regular eye exams since the LASIK, we can't
exclude this possibility.

And he might have just started noticing this as he went from a -1.25
to a -1.50D myope, just like I didn't start noticing distance blur
when I was a -0.25D or -0.50D myope.  I only started having complaints
when I developed -0.75D of myopia.

Lastly, many people who had LASIK using the older lasers that were
used 7 years ago tended to refract with better visual acuities that
their refractive error would suggest.
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 02 Nov 2007 05:14 GMT
> >> Hi !
>
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> used 7 years ago tended to refract with better visual acuities that
> their refractive error would suggest.

of course I don't "know that" from just what his story is on the
original NG post.  it's not appropriate to presume my response to him
was a definitive diagnosis.  i simply have taken what his personal
history and complaint was at face value rather than assume that he
must be wrong or might be exaggerating.  and if what you have imagined
to be the case is correct, i.e. that he slowly drifted to about -0.50,
and then progressed another -1.00 to -1.50 within a month's time (and
you don't know that either although I agree that's more likely the
case) that's a little out of the ordinary too, don't you think?

what I read is that: 1). he claims he has detected a recent change in
his vision within the last month and that previously it was "fine",
and 2). he appears to be believing that a LASIK enhancement is an
appropriate solution to the problem without considering the cause or
stability of his recent change, or even if he has actually had a
recent change at all as he claims.

of course we have no objective data on which to make a recommendation
to the poster-- we have only his subjective complaint-- but I don't
know why you think it's more appropriate to disbelieve him out of hand
and instead confabulate your own scenario that you believe to be more
likely even though that's not what he says.  I believe that's a
dangerous route to take.

i think caution is appropriate and I would hope that we all would
agree that the original poster should see his eye doc for a more
objective evaluation than just getting an enhancement--- right?

and seeing your eye doc rather than taking advise from people over the
internet is good idea regardless.
 
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