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Tony Houghton - 28 Oct 2007 16:53 GMT
Are most basic plastic lenses made of CR39, or is there another basic
plastic that's significantly thicker? I've just bought some glasses and
I think the lenses are polycarbonate because the chromatic aberration is
quite severe and they're definitely thinner than my old glasses (even
though the new frame is larger you can still see a clear difference at
the edges) which have Transitions from Dollond & Aitchison, made by
Nikon I think. The optician I ordered them from seems to think they're
CR39 though.

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p.clarkii@gmail.com - 28 Oct 2007 19:21 GMT
> Are most basic plastic lenses made of CR39, or is there another basic
> plastic that's significantly thicker? I've just bought some glasses and
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its hard to know for certain but polycarbonate is known for high
chromatic aberrations and it's higher refractive index does result in
the lenses being thinner.  Nikon does indeed make photochromic
polycarbonate lenses and most optical shops like to use them because
they are more profitable for them so I suspect that your suspicion is
correct.

an experienced optician can listen to the sound of the lens tapping
against a hard surface and distinguish plastic versus polycarbonate.

the optician you ordered them from would know *exactly* what they are
made of unless he/she is trying to be deceptive.
Tony Houghton - 28 Oct 2007 21:06 GMT
> > Are most basic plastic lenses made of CR39, or is there another
> > basic plastic that's significantly thicker? I've just bought some
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> the optician you ordered them from would know *exactly* what they are
> made of unless he/she is trying to be deceptive.

You've got the wrong end of the stick a bit. My current glasses are
Nikon Transitions - "Basix" I think they're called - but they're not
polycarbonate, they're thicker plastic (CR39)? They did make them with
polycarbonate at first but I got them remade with plastic when I found I
couldn't see properly.

I wanted a second pair that aren't Transitions because in Winter I want
to take advantage of every little scrap of sun, not have it blocked out,
so I ordered some cheap ones online, expecting them to be plain plastic,
but I'm sure they're not. Funnily enough their address turned out to be
local but they say that's only a dispatch centre and I can't call in
there. That could sound suspicious, but I still think it's a mistake
rather than deception. Polycarbonate lenses aren't actually cheaper to
make than CR39, are they? Just a higher profit margin because they
usually charge more for them, which this optician hasn't done.

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Mark A - 28 Oct 2007 23:19 GMT
> Polycarbonate lenses aren't actually cheaper to
> make than CR39, are they? Just a higher profit margin because they
> usually charge more for them, which this optician hasn't done.

Polycarb material is more expensive than CR-39, but it could conceivably
cost more to stock CR-39 in all lens powers (finished) or all base curses
(unfinished) if the demand is low.
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 29 Oct 2007 03:01 GMT
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at the optical location I am the doctor at, we charge the same for
polycarb and plastic lenses but we make a higher margin on polycarb so
the optical staff tends to over-recommend it.  I don't know if lower
manufacturing costs are the cause of the higher margin on polycarb. or
not.
Mark A - 29 Oct 2007 03:38 GMT
> at the optical location I am the doctor at, we charge the same for
> polycarb and plastic lenses but we make a higher margin on polycarb so
> the optical staff tends to over-recommend it.  I don't know if lower
> manufacturing costs are the cause of the higher margin on polycarb. or
> not.

Plastic? Do you mean CR-39 (1.50 index) or some other index such as 1.60 or
1.67?
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 29 Oct 2007 12:25 GMT
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> Plastic? Do you mean CR-39 (1.50 index) or some other index such as 1.60 or
> 1.67?

CR-39.
Robert Martellaro - 29 Oct 2007 23:42 GMT
>at the optical location I am the doctor at, we charge the same for
>polycarb and plastic lenses but we make a higher margin on polycarb so
>the optical staff tends to over-recommend it.  I don't know if lower
>manufacturing costs are the cause of the higher margin on polycarb. or
>not.

The three labs that I work with charge more for spherical polycarbonate than
they do for spherical front surface scratch resistant cr39. Just to be sure, I
pulled the price lists from a half a dozen other labs and they all show higher
prices for poly, some by as much as 50%. Are you in the US? Is your lab owned by
Essilor? (Essilor owns Gentex, a major supplier of poly blanks).

Robert Martellaro
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Optician/Owner
Roberts Optical
Wauwatosa Wi.
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"Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself."
- Richard Feynman

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