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bifocalsandsewing - 22 Sep 2007 04:35 GMT
i just recently got bifocals and i cannot do alot of things that i
could do with single vision lenses,i cannot sew on a button. cross
stitch or even thread a needle with them on i have to take them off to
do any of these things and wind up with a headache .i went back to the
opt.and they said that the glasses were correct.has anyone else had
this problem with sewing,crafting ect...?i  have some problems reading
and also working im a cashier and have alot of trouble seeing the
chart to lookup the produce codes and the register keys.thank you
The Real Bev - 22 Sep 2007 04:51 GMT
> i just recently got bifocals and i cannot do alot of things that i
> could do with single vision lenses,i cannot sew on a button. cross
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> and also working im a cashier and have alot of trouble seeing the
> chart to lookup the produce codes and the register keys.thank you

The reading segment must be set for the distance you need to see at.  You
may need several different pairs of glasses depending on what you need to
do.  A violist had to fight with her insurance people in order to get a
second pair of bifocals set for music-reading distance rather than
book-reading distance.  Ultimately she won, but the insurance-jerk actually
told her that she should take up a different hobby.

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Zetsu - 22 Sep 2007 10:24 GMT
Wow, your eyeglasses are so useless, don't you think?
Don't you just feel like smashing them, and never wear them again?

How can you be so foolish to keep wearing them, when you KNOW that
they are stupid mechanics and are not correcting your vision? The fact
that a person should have to wear multiple pairs of glasses depending
on the circumstance is a very CLEAR-CUT demonstration of their
stupidity and uselessness.

You should be inteligent and follow correct intuition, which it could
be tells you to discard them. When you have discarded them then begin
the rest methods as depicted in the Perfect Sight books, learning to
see with your own eyes which are far more intricate and ingeniously
designed than the idiot-goggles you have been given by OD.

Learn to see without effort and without trying to see; and you will
soon find that your ability to sew, to read fine print, to thread a
needle, and to do all such things becomes easy peasy lemon squeezy,
like there is nothing in the world easier than that.

>do any of these things and wind up with a headache .i went back to the
>opt.and they said that the glasses were correct.has anyone else had

Why are you so blind as to still rely on those tricky people, who can
do nothing for your sight? How can you continue to even think of
wearing the evil spectacles, when they are making you suffer and to
have headaches. You should cure yourself of imperfect sight once for
all, and never have to return to the corrupt optometry business which
is one of deception and continuous failure.

www.central-fixation.com

Read the books from Emily and the Doctor, and wake up from suffering.
Don W - 22 Sep 2007 15:46 GMT
If it affects your job, you should very quickly get to another doctor
for a recheck.
Good luck.

Don W.
Zetsu - 22 Sep 2007 16:14 GMT
A recheck!

You are telling this man to very quickly go for recheck! You are
telling him: go and quickly destroy your vision, don't waste time,
just go on and waste your time a bit more.

I wonder what will happen! At best the next doctor he goes to will be
more of an idiot still, unable to fit him with correction that he is
satisfied by. You would have done better to tell the man of rest
methods, which cure the imperfect sight and where a person does not
have to rely on the optometry doctors to help their condition, but
instead can help themselves to perfect sight.
Zetsu - 22 Sep 2007 16:16 GMT
A recheck!

You are telling this man to very quickly go for recheck! You are
telling him: go and quickly destroy your vision, make haste,
just go to the optician and waste your time a bit more.

I wonder what will happen! At best the next doctor he goes to will be
more of an idiot still, unable to fit him with correction that he is
satisfied by. You would have done better to tell the man of rest
methods, which cure the imperfect sight and where a person does not
have to rely on the optometry doctors to help their condition, but
instead can help themselves to perfect sight.
Mike Tyner - 22 Sep 2007 19:33 GMT
> satisfied by. You would have done better to tell the man of rest
> methods, which cure the imperfect sight

Are you aware that someone is using your email address to lie to the public?

-MT
Zetsu - 22 Sep 2007 19:53 GMT
Hello,

> Are you aware that someone is using your email address to lie to the public?

No as a matter of fact I am not!

Who is? I thought I am the only one using my email address.

I never told no one the password!
Mike Tyner - 22 Sep 2007 20:06 GMT
>> Are you aware that someone is using your email address to lie to the
>> public?
>
> No as a matter of fact I am not!
>
> Who is? I thought I am the only one using my email address.

Dunno. Sounds like Rishi, the same bitterness and distorted reality we
always hear from him.

Just thought you should know.

-MT
Neil Brooks - 23 Sep 2007 23:53 GMT
Sorry.  Rishi Giovanni Gatti (Zetsu), Lena102938, and Otis Brown are
trolls who haunt s.m.v.

Rishi has published, and is trying to sell worthless books.

Otis is pathologically dishonest and actually hurts people.
Following his advice can induce double vision in those
not working closely with an eye doctor.

Lena102938 uses anti-eye doctor rhetoric as a substitute for ANY
actual information.  It seems she now has to wear glasses and has
developed a pathological (and ILLOGICAL) resentment toward the
industry that "foisted these glasses upon her."

You'd do well to ignore them and wait for responses from the
caring, compassionate eye doctors who DO also participate in this site.
otisbrown@pa.net - 22 Sep 2007 19:29 GMT
Dear Bifocals and Sewing,

Subject:  The easy way.

Your "plus" may be too strong, or you might have more
astigmatism "prescription" than is actually necessary -- and
that could be giving you a headache.

You might go to the local store, and try some "readers" (slightly
weaker) just to see if they will work for you.  That is a lot
lower cost solution than going back to the OD -- only to be
told, "...there OK", or "... you'll get used to it".

You have nothing to lose by checking this out yourself.

Just my second-opinion.

Otis

On Sep 21, 11:35 pm, bifocalsandsewing <amgeil11091...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> i just recently got bifocals and i cannot do alot of things that i
> could do with single vision lenses,i cannot sew on a button. cross
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> and also working im a cashier and have alot of trouble seeing the
> chart to lookup the produce codes and the register keys.thank you
Mike Tyner - 22 Sep 2007 19:39 GMT
> You might go to the local store, and try some "readers" (slightly
> weaker) just to see if they will work for you.

She said single-vision glasses worked better.

> That is a lot
> lower cost solution than going back to the OD -- only to be
> told, "...there OK", or "... you'll get used to it".

According to your crystal ball.

> Just my second-opinion.

And worth every penny.

-MT
Zetsu - 22 Sep 2007 19:53 GMT
Hi everyone,

I'm confused about something here. Mike you said:

>As Judy said, the bifocal power must be matched to your working distance

But then that means you have to keep working at ONE distance ALL the
time?
That is just a scary thought for me. It's like, turning into a robot.

Don't you people ever move your head back and forth when you read, or
like sometimes lie down and read or what?

I always do that, I mean sometimes I lie down in a recumbant position
and read, like with my hands on my jaw and looking down at a book; and
sometimes I work at a desk. So how is it possible for you to 'show'
the OD how you hold your work. It's like saying: 'show me how far you
listen to music from?' A stupid question really, because you always
change.

How can you give someone STATIC bifocals when the distance is DYNAMIC
and ever changing! This is stupid and VERY unnatural, forcing a person
to work at a specified distance WITHOUT moving!

It's no wonder you guys are always so miserable and grumpy and
grouchy, it's because you are forced to work like robots with your
eyes chained to a never changing state.
Mike Tyner - 22 Sep 2007 20:02 GMT
> But then that means you have to keep working at ONE distance ALL the
> time?
> That is just a scary thought for me. It's like, turning into a robot.

If you die at 40, it won't be a problem for you. Otherwise, seeing up close
is better than not seeing up close.

> I always do that, I mean sometimes I lie down in a recumbant position
> and read, like with my hands on my jaw and looking down at a book; and
> sometimes I work at a desk. So how is it possible for you to 'show'
> the OD how you hold your work. It's like saying: 'show me how far you
> listen to music from?' A stupid question really, because you always
> change.

Yes. Totally stupid and pointless. Nobody needs glasses.

> How can you give someone STATIC bifocals when the distance is DYNAMIC
> and ever changing! This is stupid and VERY unnatural, forcing a person
> to work at a specified distance WITHOUT moving!

Yes. Totally stupid and pointless. Being unable to read is much better.

> It's no wonder you guys are always so miserable and grumpy and
> grouchy, it's because you are forced to work like robots with your
> eyes chained to a never changing state.

Yes, Totally stupid and pointless. Nothing you can do about it. Everybody's
glasses are wrong and those idiot doctors have no clue what they're talking
about.

-MT
Zetsu - 22 Sep 2007 20:08 GMT
Hi Mike,

Thank you for the AMAZING sarcasm, so cool of you, WOW.
You're so hard and tough, I'm really scared from your hard comments.

But really though what I am saying is this:

How can you give ask a person 'at which distance do you work' (well
how do you measure that anyway? do you go home and get a ruler and
stick it under your nose and then come back to the OD and say: well
hello again, I've found that I ALWAYS work at 'x' inches), and how can
you then prescribe a STATIC Rx when the distance from work to eye is
EVER CHANGING?

Tell me, HOW do you do that? I just shiver at the thought of what kind
of suffering these idiotic ideas are causing to generation upon
generation of old people.
Mike Tyner - 23 Sep 2007 00:56 GMT
> How can you give ask a person 'at which distance do you work' (well
> how do you measure that anyway? do you go home and get a ruler and
> stick it under your nose and then come back to the OD and say: well
> hello again, I've found that I ALWAYS work at 'x' inches), and how can
> you then prescribe a STATIC Rx when the distance from work to eye is
> EVER CHANGING?

The sarcasm is because you won't accept any answer except Rishi's. Rishi has
no education or experience and you write the same things he writes. That's
obvious to everybody here.

If you're really 15 years old, you must get it through your thick little
head - everybody's vision is not like yours. Without correction these people
CAN NOT SEE.  Normal humans with PERFECT VISION in their 20s have LOUSY
VISION up close at 55.

Now, in your town, how many "central fixation" practitioners are listed in
the Yellow Pages? Who can the 50-year-olds and the myopes call to get an
appointment and learn the rest methods? Why aren't there PERFECT BLACK LONG
SWING PARLORS on every corner?

If you're really 15, you must understand that you have never EXPERIENCED
presbyopia. If you're really Rishi, then it's really stupid me sitting here
trying to fix something broken.

> Tell me, HOW do you do that? I just shiver at the thought of what kind
> of suffering these idiotic ideas are causing to generation upon
> generation of old people.

Oh that. Depth of field and residual accommodation. Now f.ck off.

-MT
otisbrown@pa.net - 23 Sep 2007 01:03 GMT
To Zet:

MikeOD>  Oh that. Depth of field and residual accommodation. Now f.ck
off.

Otis> The normal reaction to a 15 year-old kid, asking questions
a majority-opinion OD does not "like".

Otis> Zet may be a lot of things, young, immature, irritating,
etc.  But he has never used language like that.  I guess he
is going to learn from his "elders".  Quite a lesson
for a 15 year-old.

Just my second-opinion,

Otis

> > How can you give ask a person 'at which distance do you work' (well
> > how do you measure that anyway? do you go home and get a ruler and
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
> -MT
Mike Tyner - 23 Sep 2007 01:52 GMT
> Otis> Zet may be a lot of things, young, immature, irritating,
> etc.  But he has never used language like that.  I guess he
> is going to learn from his "elders".  Quite a lesson
> for a 15 year-old.

I'm IRISH and he's RISHI.

And you're not my mommy so you f.ck off too, OK?

-MT
Zetsu - 23 Sep 2007 09:41 GMT
Hi,

> I'm IRISH and he's RISHI
> And you're not my mommy so you f.ck off too, OK?

Wow that doesn't sound like the Mike I know. What happened, man. Chill
out. No need to use bad words! I've never heard you use swear words
before so that is just shocking. I thought you were nice!
Zetsu - 23 Sep 2007 09:44 GMT
>PS: Ignore Zetsu, he is a 15 year old high school student who believes
>some things he has read on quack web sites.

Nah, I learn using some common sense and demonstrating the truths.
Unlike y'all.
Ms.Brainy - 23 Sep 2007 09:58 GMT
> >PS: Ignore Zetsu, he is a 15 year old high school student who believes
> >some things he has read on quack web sites.
>
> Nah, I learn using some common sense and demonstrating the truths.
> Unlike y'all.

You never demonstrated anything.  You just say you have.
Zetsu - 23 Sep 2007 10:06 GMT
Hi,

> You never demonstrated anything.  You just say you have.

Not to you, to myself. That's why I keep saying:

Demonstrate the truths of the cure of imperfect sight to yourself.
Zetsu - 23 Sep 2007 18:56 GMT
Hi,

>Mike just told you how he feels about you.

This is sci.med.vision, not 'sci.med.tellmehowyoufeel'.
Mike Tyner - 23 Sep 2007 23:26 GMT
> This is sci.med.vision, not 'sci.med.tellmehowyoufeel'.

No, this is sci.med.placebo.

-MT
Ms.Brainy - 23 Sep 2007 09:56 GMT
> Hi,
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> out. No need to use bad words! I've never heard you use swear words
> before so that is just shocking. I thought you were nice!

Finally you got to Mike too, nice going.
Mike, who has always patiently answered your questions.
Mike, who has always been straight and helpful.
Mike, who has generously shared his experience and knowledge.
Mike, who has made a continuous effort to ignore the nonsense and stay
on topic.

Mike just told you how he feels about you.
Take a note of it.
Zetsu - 23 Sep 2007 10:05 GMT
Hi,

> Finally you got to Mike too, nice going.
> Mike, who has always patiently answered your questions.
> Mike, who has always been straight and helpful.
> Mike, who has generously shared his experience and knowledge.

In my life of posting here, I never ever felt guilty for anything. But
making a usually kind person like Mike get so hot-headed, makes me
feel a bit guilty!
Zetsu - 22 Sep 2007 19:55 GMT
> lower cost solution than going back to the OD -- only to be
> told, "...there OK", or "... you'll get used to it".
>>According to your crystal ball.

You might think it sounds crazy, but you are probably a good rule
abiding OD. I've heard loads of cases, I mean first hand from people
who've had the displeasure of this experience, and you can deny it but
crap like this happens.
Mike Tyner - 22 Sep 2007 20:07 GMT
> You might think it sounds crazy, but you are probably a good rule
> abiding OD. I've heard loads of cases, I mean first hand from people
> who've had the displeasure of this experience, and you can deny it but
> crap like this happens.

No surprise it happens to Otis.

-MT
Zetsu - 22 Sep 2007 20:10 GMT
Hi,

>Dunno. Sounds like Rishi, the same bitterness and distorted reality we
>always hear from him.

No! I assure you I am the only one who posts under this email address.
There has never been anyone else you just imagined it.
Mike Tyner - 23 Sep 2007 01:05 GMT
> No! I assure you I am the only one who posts under this email address.
> There has never been anyone else you just imagined it.

And I assure you - each time a new question gets posted, your
recommendations are nearly identical to those posted by Rishi Gatti, same
words, same phrases, same looney ideas.

You don't sound as bitter, but you're getting closer.

-MT
Zetsu - 22 Sep 2007 20:11 GMT
Hi,

>No surprise it happens to Otis.

Not just Otis, lots of people. Go on the various natural vision
improvement forums and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Mike Tyner - 23 Sep 2007 01:15 GMT
> Not just Otis, lots of people. Go on the various natural vision
> improvement forums and you'll see what I'm talking about.

No thank you.

Lots of people get lousy service from their eye care provider. Lots of
people expect more than physics can deliver. They gravitate to certain web
sites. Surprise!

If they want my opinion on how to fix their problem, they'll ask me. I'm not
hard to find.

-MT
Neil Brooks - 23 Sep 2007 23:53 GMT
Sorry.  Rishi Giovanni Gatti (Zetsu), Lena102938, and Otis Brown are
trolls who haunt s.m.v.

Rishi has published, and is trying to sell worthless books.

Otis is pathologically dishonest and actually hurts people.
Following his advice can induce double vision in those
not working closely with an eye doctor.

Lena102938 uses anti-eye doctor rhetoric as a substitute for ANY
actual information.  It seems she now has to wear glasses and has
developed a pathological (and ILLOGICAL) resentment toward the
industry that "foisted these glasses upon her."

You'd do well to ignore them and wait for responses from the
caring, compassionate eye doctors who DO also participate in this site.
Mike Tyner - 22 Sep 2007 19:32 GMT
>i just recently got bifocals and i cannot do alot of things that i
> could do with single vision lenses,i cannot sew on a button. cross
> stitch or even thread a needle with them on i have to take them off to
> do any of these things and wind up with a headache .i went back to the
> opt.and they said that the glasses were correct.

Do you mean the optician said the glasses were made correctly to the
doctor's prescription?

If so, then the prescription has to be modified.

Most doctors (the reputable ones) will recheck at no charge when there's a
problem.

Tell them you can't read with the bifocals and they should do something
about it without charging you more.

As Judy said, the bifocal power must be matched to your working distance. Be
sure and show the doctor how you hold your work.

-MT
Kay Lancaster - 22 Sep 2007 22:42 GMT
> i just recently got bifocals and i cannot do alot of things that i
> could do with single vision lenses,i cannot sew on a button. cross
> stitch or even thread a needle with them on i have to take them off to

By chance, did you used to be nearsighted only?  I'd gotten so used to looking
under my -1s for close work over the years that I had to retrain myself
to look through the +0.75  reading glasses for close work. I finally
realized this when I had to take a messy tangle out of the serger, and
the only position that worked to see the bit I needed to was through
the reading glasses.  One of those oh, duh, moments.  I don't have
bifocals, however -- I opted for driving glasses and reading glasses.
Still seems strange to need glasses for detail work up close.  <g>
Dr Judy - 23 Sep 2007 02:35 GMT
On Sep 21, 11:35 pm, bifocalsandsewing <amgeil11091...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> i just recently got bifocals and i cannot do alot of things that i
> could do with single vision lenses,i cannot sew on a button. cross
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> and also working im a cashier and have alot of trouble seeing the
> chart to lookup the produce codes and the register keys.thank you

If you can read with glasses off, I assume you are nearsighted.

With bifocals, you have to hold your head just so and the near part is
likely set for about 16 to 18 inches.  With sewing, especially if you
are doing cross stitich with 24 or higher count fabric, you are likely
holding things at 10 to 12 inches; if myopic your eye may be naturally
focused that close.  At work, how far are the code charts and keys?
Measure these distances and return to your doctor with cross stitch
fabric in hand and the written distances.

You may need single vision readers for sewing and trifocals for work.

Dr Judy

PS: Ignore Zetsu, he is a 15 year old high school student who believes
some things he has read on quack web sites.
 
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