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99% Misunderstanding
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Ms.Brainy - 19 Sep 2007 20:29 GMT A big attack on Mike Tyner has been launched by Otis. This is what happened:
Otis said somewhere that 99% of the population is not interested in myopia prevention.
Mike responded: What are you talking about, Otis? There is no 99% of the population that might even be interested in the subject, since the rate of myopia in the general population (assuming we are not dealing with university students in Singapore) is not 99% but much smaller -- generally it's about 20% - 30%.
Actually, Mike didn't write it exactly this way. Instead, he was brief and stated only that "99% of the population is not myopic."
This was clear to me and to anybody who bothered to think about it for a second, but not to Otis. Otis chose to interpret Mike's short comment as suggesting that 99% is not myopic, meaning that only 1% is, and follow it by a global attack here and multiple messages on his yahoo group.
Anybody who has read Mike Tyner's many informative posts knows that Mike could not have meant it the way Otis decided to read it. Mike certainly is well informed and wouldn't suggest that only 1% of the general population is myopic whereas the other 99% is not.
I just wanted to set the record straight and say to Otis: Cut it out, go back to play with testes!
Zetsu - 19 Sep 2007 20:59 GMT It did sounded a bit ambiguous.
I wasn't sure at first, and misinterpreted '99% is not'.
Umm Ms.Brainy can you help me with some maths h/w, please. I'm really stucked.
Neil Brooks - 19 Sep 2007 21:13 GMT Sorry. Rishi Giovanni Gatti (Zetsu), Lena102938, and Otis Brown are trolls who haunt s.m.v.
Rishi has published, and is trying to sell worthless books.
Otis is pathologically dishonest and actually hurts people. Following his advice can induce double vision in those not working closely with an eye doctor.
Lena102938 uses anti-eye doctor rhetoric as a substitute for ANY actual information. It seems she now has to wear glasses and has developed a pathological (and ILLOGICAL) resentment toward the industry that "foisted these glasses upon her."
You'd do well to ignore them and wait for responses from the caring, compassionate eye doctors who DO also participate in this site.
lena102938 - 19 Sep 2007 21:22 GMT > Sorry. Rishi Giovanni Gatti (Zetsu), Lena102938, and Otis Brown are > trolls who haunt s.m.v. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > You'd do well to ignore them and wait for responses from the > caring, compassionate eye doctors who DO also participate in this site. #1. begin;
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Neil Brooks - 19 Sep 2007 23:54 GMT > > Sorry. Rishi Giovanni Gatti (Zetsu), Lena102938, and Otis Brown are > > trolls who haunt s.m.v. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > } > go t o # 1; When the basic issues, on which the gosub routine is predicated, change, then the gosub routine will change, too.
Understand?
lena102938 - 19 Sep 2007 21:17 GMT > A big attack on Mike Tyner has been launched by Otis. This is what > happened: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > I just wanted to set the record straight and say to Otis: Cut it out, > go back to play with testes! I read it probably twice before I've understood myopia distribution among population which Mike wrote about.
His posts are not without sense of humor.
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 19 Sep 2007 23:20 GMT > I just wanted to set the record straight and say to Otis: Cut it out, > go back to play with testes! I would like you to expound upon this point a little more.
otisbrown@pa.net - 20 Sep 2007 01:44 GMT Dear Brainy,
Subject: My correct statement, that very few people have sufficient interest -- to do anything for PREVENTION.
Re: Perhaps 1 in 100 MIGHT have that motivation.
Re: Mike's flipant remark, that 99 percent are not nearsighed.
Here Dr. Judy suggests the percentage is 2.5 percent.
MikeOD> 99% of the population does not have myopia.
Judy> WHO estimates 150 million people in the world have significant refractive error (myopia, hyperopia and astigmatism combined)
Judy> 150 million out of 6 billion is about 2.5%. If myopes are half of them, then Mike is not far wrong; 98.5% of the world is not myopic.
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2006/pr55/en/
Otis> Most of you know that 88 percent of the Hong Kong students (entering the University) are myopic.
Most people in the world are not Hong Kong university students.
Judy
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So now depends on WHO selectively reports their statistics.
Best,
Otis
> A big attack on Mike Tyner has been launched by Otis. This is what > happened: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > I just wanted to set the record straight and say to Otis: Cut it out, > go back to play with testes! Mike Tyner - 20 Sep 2007 02:21 GMT > Re: Mike's flipant remark, that 99 percent are > not nearsighed. I just hate it when the whole newsgroup becomes about _me_.
Don't you?
No, I guess you don't.
-MT
snake75 - 20 Sep 2007 07:50 GMT > <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > -MT yes i do
Ms.Brainy - 20 Sep 2007 02:40 GMT On Sep 19, 5:44 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> Dear Brainy, > [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Obviously you didn't understand a word of what I have written above, now did you. Obviously you insist on remaining the chief idiot on this s.m.v. network, and a mean one too.
otisbrown@pa.net - 20 Sep 2007 03:23 GMT Dear "Brainy",
Subject: You obviouly have missed my point.
I SUGGESTED (admited) the very few people have an "interest" in keeping their vision clear at the 20/50 level. (By Bates, or any other method).
That is why I stated that 99 percent of the population has no interest (and the motivation) to clear their vision. I think that is an accurate statement, and I think you would have been part of the 99 percent who had no interest.
That is a FAIR AND HONEST STATMENT.
Then MikeOD, made the flippant remark that 99 percent of the population ARE NOT MYOPIC.
I did not "attack" Mike as you stated.
I simply ASKED HIM POLITELY to document his statement.
And then you JUMPED on that request as an ATTACK -- which is obviously was not.
Then we get all of these "statistics".
JudyOD says that 2.5 percent are myopic.
Then MikeOD says 29 percent.
Then I post the records for China -- and they are indeed mixed -- but I posted them as 88 percent for ENTERING university students.
I would SUGGEST there is a lack of CONSISTENCY in reporting SCIENCE here -- and we should understand these reports that are truly all over the "map".
Let us not attack each other because optometry is confused about statistics, and reports rates of from 2.5 percent to 88 percent myopic.
This is SUPPOSED to be a leanring process.
And those are indeed the facts.
Screwed up though they may be.
Best,
Otis
> On Sep 19, 5:44 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Neil Brooks - 20 Sep 2007 04:06 GMT On Sep 19, 7:23 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> Subject: You obviouly have missed my point. In fairness, you never actually have one.
You're nothing but a pathological liar and an absolute f.cking idiot.
lena102938 - 20 Sep 2007 03:35 GMT > On Sep 19, 5:44 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > now did you. Obviously you insist on remaining the chief idiot on > this s.m.v. network, and a mean one too. I ' ll regret tomorrow for that message But today i am in sh.t complettely. So much in sh.t I even can not understand.
lena102938 - 20 Sep 2007 03:37 GMT > > On Sep 19, 5:44 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > So much in sh.t > I even can not understand. Hi enybody is here ?
Neil Brooks - 20 Sep 2007 04:07 GMT > > I ' ll regret tomorrow for that message > > But today i am in sh.t complettely. > > So much in sh.t > > I even can not understand. > > Hi enybody is here ? Hitting the vodka, Lena?
Maybe you should go to sleep now.
Dan Abel - 20 Sep 2007 17:36 GMT > On Sep 19, 5:44 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote: > > Dear Brainy, > > > > Subject: My correct statement, that very few people have > > sufficient interest -- to do anything for PREVENTION.
> Obviously you didn't understand a word of what I have written above, > now did you. Obviously you insist on remaining the chief idiot on > this s.m.v. network, and a mean one too. I'm not sure it's a question of understanding. Otis only posts, he doesn't read. I made the mistake of responding to him a couple of times. My wife wears a plus lens. He got pretty excited. Even Dan Abel's wife is doing plus prevention! My wife is 57. I don't think myopia is in her future. She wears a plus lens because she is a hyperope. Duh!
Zetsu - 20 Sep 2007 17:45 GMT As the title of this thread was: '99% Misunderstanding';
What was the 1% of 'understanding'?
otisbrown@pa.net - 20 Sep 2007 18:42 GMT Zet> What was the 1% of 'understanding'?
Otis> That is the part of true-science that went right over "Brainy's" head.
Otis
> As the title of this thread was: '99% Misunderstanding'; > > What was the 1% of 'understanding'?
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