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Nystagmus and hypopigmentation of the retina
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elektronix@_REMOVETHIS_infinito.it - 15 Sep 2007 17:06 GMT Hello, first of all, I should say that English is not my native language, so please forgive me and take it into account if I write something wrong.
My little son doesn't see as good as he was supposed to. He just turned 4 months old, and he has been diagnosticated with a nystagmus of the horizontal symmetric pendular variant, and a "rarefaction of the retinal pigment" (is it the same as saying hypopigmentation of the retina?). He has no strabism, no photophobia, nor iris translucency. He will go through other examinations in the next days and months, for many of them it's still too early (e.g. Visual Evoked Potential) and we've to wait until he's 6 months old at least.
I ask you, is it probably Ocular Albinism or it can be already excluded, due to the absence of photophobia and iris translucency, let away of the strabism? Neither I nor my wife are albin, we're just a bit myopic, but apart that we both have an excellent visual acuity. As memory serves, we have no albin relatives in either families, nor any cases of nystagmus. We also have a daughter, 2 years old, and she has an excellent visual acuity and no eye problems whatsoever, not even any myopia (she can say who's coming from a hundreds meter distance!).
Anyway, what else could it be, in case it was not Ocular Albinism?
Is there anything I can do at least to improve the clinical situation?
I would want to also ask: the rarefaction of the retinical pigment causes the loss of stereoscopic vision (abnormal chiasm) only in case of Ocular Albinism, or whatever is the cause of rarefaction of the retinical pigment? In other words, I mean, is this abnormal chiasm development linked to OA directly, or any rarefaction of the retinical pigment in the absence of OA would cause it as well? At which age does the (abnormal or not) development of the chiasm completes?
To someway oppose the evolution of the nystagmus, that I reckon has been caused not by brain damage but by the bad visual acuity, I have thought about making a video with images (lines, grids, points, etc.. moving on screen) with high contrast, coloured and non, to someway help my baby's brain to "link" the images on the retina, by optimizing to the maximum his visual acuity (thanks to the high contrast, geometrically simple images), in the hope that this could train the arcaic (I've read the mesencephalon is involved) and subconscious of the eye muscles coordination that nystagmus shows to not be working. At which age does the retina and the visual apparatus in general conclude its development?
Thank you very much, Fabio
elektronix <chiocciola> infinito.it
Zetsu - 15 Sep 2007 17:32 GMT Hi,
Imperfect sight is contagious.
Do any of you or family, or those who for the most of time surround the child, wear glasses? If that is so then you and the family should cure yourselves from the imperfect sight.
Children imitate the bad style of use that adults sometimes have. If you learn to see perfectly, your child will also indirectly have benefit from this, because the children always imitate their elders and those who surround them, in their normal actions.
Begin the rest methods and cure yourselves.
This is a good way to cure the child.
Also, do you swing the child in your lap? The child will enjoy it and his condition of nystagmus will improve.
Neil Brooks - 15 Sep 2007 17:55 GMT > Imperfect sight is contagious. Hm. Nobody else in my family had it.
> Do any of you or family, or those who for the most of time surround > the child, wear glasses? If that is so then you and the family should > cure yourselves from the imperfect sight. My neighbor has pancreatic cancer and had her gall bladder removed last week. I haven't caught it.
> Children imitate the bad style of use that adults sometimes have. If > you learn to see perfectly, your child will also indirectly have > benefit from this, because the children always imitate their elders > and those who surround them, in their normal actions. Or not.
> Begin the rest methods and cure yourselves. Or not.
> This is a good way to cure the child. Or not.
> Also, do you swing the child in your lap? > The child will enjoy it and his condition of nystagmus will improve. Or not.
Wait for the helpful eye doctors to answer your question. This guy could cause harm.
Dr Judy - 15 Sep 2007 22:07 GMT > Hello, > first of all, I should say that English is not my native language, so [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > acuity and no eye problems whatsoever, not even any myopia (she can say > who's coming from a hundreds meter distance!).
> Anyway, what else could it be, in case it was not Ocular Albinism? Ocular Albanism is a common cause of nystagmus; photophobia and iris transillumination are not always present and it can be a spontaneous mutation, so there would be no family history.. There are many other causes and the VEP and other tests will help in determination.
It is difficult to wait for a diagnosis, speculation by strangers on the Internet will not be helpful.
> To someway oppose the evolution of the nystagmus, that I reckon has been > caused not by brain damage but by the bad visual acuity, Nystagmus has many causes, if hypopigmentation of the retina is present then the nystagmus and the bad acuity both are due to lack of pigment in the fovea and thus lack of stimulus for finding the center of vision in each eye.
I have thought
> about making a video with images (lines, grids, points, etc.. moving on > screen) with high contrast, coloured and non, to someway help my baby's [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > is involved) and subconscious of the eye muscles coordination that nystagmus > shows to not be working. If foveal pigment is lacking, presenting images will not help, that strategy would help only if normal retinal anatomy is present and the reduced acuity was due to cortical inattention. I think you will need to wait for diagnosis to know whether this would be of any value.
> At which age does the retina and the visual apparatus in general conclude > its development? Depends on which parts. Anatomy (pigments, muscles, nerves) is in place at birth, neurological and cortical connections develop until age 12.
Dr Judy
Zetsu - 15 Sep 2007 22:27 GMT Hi,
> My little son doesn't see as good as he was supposed to. He just turned > 4 months old, and he has been diagnosticated with a nystagmus of the > horizontal symmetric pendular variant, and a "rarefaction of the retinal > pigment" (is it the same as saying hypopigmentation of the retina?) The medics will try and confused you with the complicated definitions, but you should not be distracted by them. You should just quickly begin the reading of the magazine compilation: Better Eyesight, which you will find on the central-fixation.com website. This is the best thing you can possibly ever do, for if you read the Better Eyesight magazine and the great knowledge contained within it you will become learned in the knowledge of how to cure your child of the nystagmus condition.
> We also have a daughter, 2 years old, and she has an excellent visual > acuity and no eye problems whatsoever, not even any myopia (she can say > who's coming from a hundreds meter distance!). Wow, that is very very good! Tell your daughter who has perfect sight, tell her: play with your little brother. The more she plays with her little brother, the more the baby will begin to subconsciously imitate her and she will be a very good influence and a good example setting for him.
> Anyway, what else could it be, in case it was not Ocular Albinism? The cause is very easy peasy to know: it is just a strain of the mind which causes the abnormality. When the strain of the mind is relieved the abnormality will disappear.
> Is there anything I can do at least to improve the clinical situation? Yes, tell your normal-sighted daughter to play with her little brother. She is a very good example for him to imitate.
> about making a video with images (lines, grids, points, etc.. moving on > screen) with high contrast, coloured and non, to someway help my baby's > brain to "link" the images on the retina, by optimizing to the maximum his > visual acuity (thanks to the high contrast, geometrically simple images), > in the hope that this could train the arcaic (I've read the mesencephalon This will be a very immense waste of your time. It will do nothing for the child.
But you should spend a short time to read the magazine compilation: Better Eyesight. This will tell you all which you possibly need to know about the child's problem. And how to cure it, as well! Go to central-fixation.com and read it on the library.
I hope the child gets better.
Zetsu - 15 Sep 2007 22:30 GMT Hi,
> My little son doesn't see as good as he was supposed to. He just turned > 4 months old, and he has been diagnosticated with a nystagmus of the > horizontal symmetric pendular variant, and a "rarefaction of the retinal > pigment" (is it the same as saying hypopigmentation of the retina?) The doctor will try and confuse you with the complicated definitions, but you should not be distracted by them. You should just quickly begin the reading of the magazine compilation: Better Eyesight, which you will find on the central-fixation.com website. This is the best thing you can possibly ever do, for if you read the Better Eyesight magazine and the great knowledge contained within it you will become learned in the knowledge of how to cure your child of the nystagmus condition.
> We also have a daughter, 2 years old, and she has an excellent visual > acuity and no eye problems whatsoever, not even any myopia (she can say > who's coming from a hundreds meter distance!). Wow, that is very very good! Tell your daughter who has perfect sight, tell her: play with your little brother. The more she plays with her little brother, the more the baby will begin to subconsciously imitate her and she will be a very good influence and a good example setting for him.
> Anyway, what else could it be, in case it was not Ocular Albinism? The cause is very easy peasy to know: it is just a strain of the mind which causes the abnormality. When the strain of the mind is relieved the abnormality will disappear.
> Is there anything I can do at least to improve the clinical situation? Yes, tell your normal-sighted daughter to play with her little brother. She is a very good example for him to imitate.
> about making a video with images (lines, grids, points, etc.. moving on > screen) with high contrast, coloured and non, to someway help my baby's > brain to "link" the images on the retina, by optimizing to the maximum his > visual acuity (thanks to the high contrast, geometrically simple images), > in the hope that this could train the arcaic (I've read the mesencephalon This will be a very immense waste of your time. It will do nothing for the child.
But you should spend a short time to read the magazine compilation: Better Eyesight.This will tell you all which you possibly need to know about the child's problem. And how to cure it, as well! Go to central- fixation.com and read it on the library.
I hope the child gets better.
Neil Brooks - 16 Sep 2007 19:47 GMT Sorry. Rishi Giovanni Gatti (Zetsu) and Otis Brown are long-time trolls who haunt s.m.v.
You'd do well to ignore them and wait for responses from the caring, compassionate eye doctors who DO also participate in this site.
Dr Judy - 16 Sep 2007 22:59 GMT > Hello, > first of all, I should say that English is not my native language, so [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > elektronix <chiocciola> infinito.it Please disregard Zetsu. He is a 15 year old high school student who has learned to cut and paste quackery from "alternative" websites. Your son has an real physical problem, not a "strain" of the mind.
Dr Judy
Zetsu - 16 Sep 2007 23:03 GMT Hi,
Actually as a matter of facts I never copy and paste anything. Everything which I write is from my own writing, actually. I am not plagiarizing!
But the things of which I speak is not quackery! No I mean I promise its not. Otherwise that would be very bad! Do you think all this people have been cured because of a 'quackery'?
Then so be it! Quackery is the cure!
Zetsu - 16 Sep 2007 23:05 GMT Hi,
>Your son has an real physical problem, not a "strain" of the mind. Yes of course the problem is real and physical, no doubt. However if you are able to rest the mind, the physical troubles will disappear, as the follow up.
Dr Judy - 18 Sep 2007 20:00 GMT > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > you are able to rest the mind, the physical troubles will disappear, > as the follow up. So you are saying that a four month old baby has mental strain causing a lack of photosenstive pigment in the cones of his retina and possibly a lack of cones and that once the baby learns to rest his mind then pigment will magically enter the cones and the missing cones will grow?
This father has a genuine worry about his baby's sight and you offer up such nonsense? Shame on you for wasting this poor man's time.
Dr Judy
Zetsu - 18 Sep 2007 20:17 GMT Hi,
The eyes and the mind are very much related, eyes depend on mind. Without mind at rest, eyes go bad.
I am not offer the nonsense.
I am sad you call it nonsense... I try my really really best to help. I think honestly it will help the child, to feel the swing.
Swinging helps to rest the mind.
Cause of nystagmus is strains in the mind, interferences.
I didn't offer him the advice for the pigment. I will leave it for the doctors the cure that. However, all the functional troubles like nystagmus can be cured, for definite.
But even lots of people what have organic disease, like retinal pigmentosea, they also are helped by the rest of the mind.
Mike Tyner - 18 Sep 2007 20:30 GMT > The eyes and the mind are very much related, eyes depend on mind. > Without mind at rest, eyes go bad. And when the eyes are "bad" at birth, who do you blame?
> Cause of nystagmus is strains in the mind, interferences. You've never seen nystagmus.
> I didn't offer him the advice for the pigment. I will leave it for the > doctors the cure that. However, all the functional troubles like > nystagmus can be cured, for definite. In your imagination.
> But even lots of people what have organic disease, like retinal > pigmentosea, they also are helped by the rest of the mind. Good for HIV, tuberculosis, polio, and the SARS virus too.
Now go tell everybody in those newsgroups. Broadcast your foolishness to the whole world.
-MT
Zetsu - 18 Sep 2007 21:31 GMT Hi,
>You've never seen nystagmus. Umm actually I have saw it lots of times.
My friend can produce the condition at will.
Neil Brooks - 19 Sep 2007 00:43 GMT Sorry. Rishi Giovanni Gatti (Zetsu), Lena102938, and Otis Brown are trolls who haunt s.m.v.
Rishi has published, and is trying to sell worthless books.
Otis is pathologically dishonest and actually hurts people. Following his advice can induce double vision in those not working closely with an eye doctor.
Lena102938 uses anti-eye doctor rhetoric as a substitute for ANY actual information. It seems she now has to wear glasses and has developed a pathological (and ILLOGICAL) resentment toward the industry that "foisted these glasses upon her."
You'd do well to ignore them and wait for responses from the caring, compassionate eye doctors who DO also participate in this site.
elektronix@_REMOVETHIS_infinito.it - 19 Sep 2007 14:49 GMT Hi all, I'd like to thank Dr. Judy, whose first answer for some unknown reasons didn't reach my news server (I discovered it via Google Groups).
I'd like to thank also Scott Seidman and Neil Brooks for their replies.
Zetsu: get a life, please. You're being cynical towards me, it's incredible how much of a a**hole you are AND at the same time you act like you don't even know it. Maybe you're stupid, or probably very cynical, as I wrote. After all, I already had asked you to stop polluting my thread with your sadist nonsense, but you didn't refrain yourself from doing it again and again, making me sick. Maybe life will teach you to be more serious someday, perhaps with some serious brain damage that will turn you into a normal, socially integrable person.
Kind regards to the rest, it's sad that an otherwise important and useful newsgroup like sci.med.vision is literally kept in hostage by stupid folks like Zetsu and the others that have been mentioned (who fortunately I have not had the "pleasure" to meet too, Zetsu was already more than enough to make me turn away in seek for a better use of my time and desperation). -- Fabio
zetsu_stop_it_now@fake.email.com - 25 Sep 2007 12:50 GMT Why do you all waste your time with this dement called Zetsu?
I mean, ain't life short enough to not want to waste one's precious time that way?
Farewell.
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