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Medical Forum / General / Vision / August 2007Ophthalmology a long dead science!
The learned men on this forum should explain to the weak people that come here to ask for advice why: 1) A man goes to the doc and complains about his own imperfect sight 2) Doc prescribes glasses 3) Man resents the glasses and does not wear them 4) Man resents the glasses and he does wear them 5) His imperfect sight either way goes worse 6) In case 3 he is blamed by the doc, in case 4 he is not blamed, just patted. 7) His imperfect sight remains stable (surely other symptoms are developing underneath, though) 8) Since nobody can tell in advance if case 3 4 or 5 will happen, please explain why this stuff is called "science". It is just groping in the dark at the expenses of poor weak people. > The learned men on this forum should explain to the weak people that > come here to ask for advice why: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > It is just groping in the dark at the expenses of poor weak people. In my experience, number 5 is not correct. Myopes between the ages of 10 and 25 can expect some progression, then vision will cease getting worse. Presbyopes between age 40 and 55 will have some progression and then stabilize. Number 6 is not true either, most docs believe that wearing or not wearing glasses does not affect vision, except for amblyopia, so they will not "blame" the patient in number 3. And you forgot 4 (b) and 7 (b); while wearing his glasses the man sees well. Dr Judy > > The learned men How about the women? > on this forum should explain to the weak people that Someone with simple myopia can hardly be called "weak", at least by reasonable people. > > come here to ask for advice why: > > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > And you forgot 4 (b) and 7 (b); while wearing his glasses the man sees > well. That's kind of the whole purpose, isn't it? My life would have been far different without glasses or contacts. For most of my life, the farthest I could see clearly without correction was about an inch. Some people with myopia can at least do close work without correction. I couldn't. There's almost nothing I could do without correction. I had "perfect sight" most of my life, I just had to wear correction. Not a big deal, especially as compared with trying to live without it. >> > The learned men Men in glasses looks very attractive. >How about the women? Same >That's kind of the whole purpose, isn't it? My life would have been far >different without glasses or contacts. For most of my life, the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >"perfect sight" most of my life, I just had to wear correction. Not a >big deal, especially as compared with trying to live without it. My question Would You wear correction all the time if you had for example only -1.0 >Number 6 is not true either, most docs believe that wearing or not >wearing glasses does not affect vision, except for amblyopia, so they >will not "blame" the patient in number 3. Last time I went with my friend, he got told off! For not wearing his glasses! (He has myopia and astigmatism). The man was on the verge of shouting! And you say doctors will not blame the patient? It is not so! >How about the women? Yes yes, women also. But just takes longer to type 'learned men and women'. >There's almost nothing I could do without correction. There is! You could begin to demonstrate that it is possible to cure your eyesight by means of rest methods and by imitating the actions of the normal sighted eyes. Forget your 'correction'. Seek real cure! I had "perfect sight" most of my life, I just had to wear correction. Then it is not 'perfect sight', it is 'perfect correction'. Your own human body eyesight remained the same. Only you were able to focus correctly because of an external and artificial crutch. >Not a big deal It is very much a big deal. Only it is you that perceive it as not a big deal, because you have never experienced the marvels of natural perfect sight. You have never truly seen the world, until you learn to use, without strain and effort, the instruments that nature has gifted you with. That is, the mind and the eye. >Men in glasses looks very attractive. No, glasses retards the natural beauty of the face and makes it look artificial and machine like and even scary (you should just look at my great grandfather). People with glasses looks disgusting, only society has 'become used to' it because so many idiots is now wearing glasses. Even there exists a new level of stupidity; people is desiring to wear glasses even if they do not need it, this new destructive breed which call 'designer lenses'. Such is the impact of your society. >Would You wear correction all the time if you had for example only -1.0 No, certainly not. I would never wear correction if it was the last thing I did. How about you? Do you enjoy looking stupid? Do you enjoy being weak? >Someone with simple myopia can hardly be called "weak", at least by >reasonable people. They are indeed weak. They require an external crutch in order to 'correct' the most important of receptive senses: vision. It is a dependence, a weakness, a chronic addiction to strain. It is like smoking, or taking drugs. Only it is worse -- You must rely on it 24/7, just to cope with life. The 'correction' addresses the symptoms, and not the problem -- just like with smoking and stress. The smoker smokes in order to relieve the stress, yet the smoker is brought no relief from the problem. The stress returns, sooner or later. It is not a solution, or at least not a good one; it is only temporary. And like taking drugs, the quantity must be taken in increased increments, the more the drugs is taken. It is the same with imperfect sight; the patient must keep suffering from his reliance. And his dependence increases, the more he wears the glasses. And his sight is never improved, always worsened. And it is a continuing circle of pain. Until the idiot wakes up, and sees that all which was done on behalf of a 'cure' to his problem, was futile. His bad vision had remained in spite of everything the doctors gave him. Until he takes off his glasses for a short period, say a week, and realizes that after the week his glasses seems 'sharper', or 'stronger' when he puts on the glasses, then it was before. And he begins to investigate the true facts: is vision really incurable? And then the idiot begins to seek cure, and becomes an intelligent person who is relieved of his idiotness, or his addiction, or his strain, or his reliance, or his chronic addiction. Dear Deidara, >Would You wear correction all the time if you had for example only -1.0 It was , actually question to Dan >How about you? Do you enjoy looking stupid? Do you enjoy being weak? But, still people in glasses does not look stupid, they look cute. I am not wearing. Probably, it bothers you , when your friend wearing glasses. If his prescription not really big he can live without most of the time. >Last time I went with my friend, he got told off! For not wearing his >glasses! (He has myopia and astigmatism). What is his prescription ? Doctor was WRONG! If he can he should not ware glasses. My friend was packed in glasses +1 ( 6 year ago)( it is not matter really + or -) with smart DOCTOR to were all the time, And then in Progressives, which stop eye from working at all. He sees not far not near as the result. Do NOT WANT EVEN TO DESCRIBE how WE went to “SHE-DOCTOR” recently! That one was so smart that having + 3.5 for reading he was reading in +6 ! The “doctor” told that he will use to that. It took me a lot of effort to take him of that prescribtion. Very good site: www.i-see.org lena, >Doctor was WRONG! If he can he should not ware glasses. Oooh, I mistook you for one of the opposition (ODs) I didn't know you was a Bates supporter, like me! That means we are friends actually. You can work with me to wake up these great idiots on sci.med.vision. They are stupid, addicted to the glasses! How old are you? Where from? I am 15. England, right now. From Norway original. > I am 15. England, right now. From Norway original. Ahh, explains all. Teenage angst. This too will pass. Dr Judy (mother of ex teenager) > > I am 15. England, right now. From Norway original. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Dr Judy > (mother of ex teenager) Hi, As Dr Judy had rightly mentioned "Teenage angst".Once she attians the age of forty she will be Presbyopic. Dr Judy. > (mother of ex teenager) I'm a father of two teen aged sons now and incidentally my wife is Myopic[-10.5 OD and -12.05 OS] and she had been wearing the corrective glasses from the age of Nine.Till this moment she not felt the way or ventilated the same like Deidara <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com> wrote: > I am 15. England, right now. From Norway original. So decde for yourself Ms Deidara . > > > I am 15. England, right now. From Norway original. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > So decde for yourself Ms Deidara . Judy and Churie, You might not be aware of it, but Deidara is actually our Quasimodo, aka Revival, aka Kaze, aka Kakuzu, aka Zetsu, aka Hoshigaki, aka Alphonso Eduardo, aka Shaan Iqbal, aka Revival Little Brother, aka Horatio Bates, aka so many other names that I cannot recall them all at the moment. He thinks it's smart. He hates. He lies. He is arrogant. He believes he owns the truth. Is he really 15 yrs old? I doubt it, but who knows? Does it matter? He is so full of himself and the crap that's filling his head. He thinks he's smart, but if he was 15 and smart he would know that he had not yet aquired enough information, knowledge and experience to speak with so much unfounded confidence. And if he is not 15 (which I seriously suspect), then his arrogance is not less forgivable. He refuses to provide any evidence to support his claims. He would not tell even about his personal redemption experience from myopic darkness to... to what? except that he was dancing in the northern sun with joy of vision... Is he myopic? I bet. Is his myopia cured? I seriously doubt it. But he won't tell, and even if he did -- who can believe him? He is a creature with no credibility whatsoever, who insists that humanity must listen to his mesianic message. He is smarter than Otis, but not much, yet he lables everybody who does not blindly follow his prophecy "stupid". He thinks that he will not be presbyopic when he grows up. He claims to have the cure for glaucoma, cataract, macular degeneration and any other eye disorder. He "knows" what causes all these problems. Really smart. Probably the smartest man ever. Actually, he is a little nobody who probably has no life outside the Internet and I suspect no friends in the real world. Regarding his phobia of eyeglasses (poor soul, it's obviously hard to live with such intense negative emotions): Remember how he took a few days "off" because the new Harry Potter came out? But Quasimodo, Harry Potter WEARS GLASSES! Well then, Harry Potter is a bit of an idiot isn't he? Anyway, since we are on the topic of Harry Potter, what did you think of the latest book? Deathly Hallows? I queued up with my friends and I had to stay outside the shop for 2 nights!! Just to get it! I was one of the first ppl ever to get it. But I thought the ending was a bit crap (I mean come on... 'the scar had not bothered him for 19 years. all was well') Anyway I didn't know people in America read Harry Potter. Do you read stuf flike Lord of the Rings as well? And His Dark Materials? They are like the best books eva! What other stuff do you read? Favorite book ever? Which?? >He is smarter than Otis, Well then THANK YOU FOR THAT compliment. Evan though in rest of post you had directed immense insult for me. Ms.Brainy wrote: >He refuses to provide any evidence to support his claims. NO! I did!! Please see on this: http://www.iblindness.org/evidence/ STUPID!! > >He is smarter than Otis, > > Well then THANK YOU FOR THAT compliment. > > Evan though in rest of post you had directed immense insult for me. CORRECTION: I wrote: "if he is not 15 (which I seriously suspect), then his arrogance is not less forgivable." Of course, I meant to say "not less UNforgivable," or possibly "not more forgivable". I am glad you took the first portion of the comparison to Otis as a compliment, although the second part stated "but not much." OMG I am 15!! I take a picture myself if you desire for proof!! > OMG I am 15!! > > I take a picture myself if you desire for proof!! A picture as Deidara, Kakuzu, Kaze, Horatio or Quasimodo? > Well then, Harry Potter is a bit of an idiot isn't he? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > like the best books eva! What other stuff do you read? Favorite book > ever? Which?? Hi Sincr you posted that you are living in England,forget about Harry Potter,read the poem Lead Kindly Light. Hello Mostly I don't like poetry, actually I like storybooks more!! But I will see if I can find 'Lead Kindly Light' in local library. >He thinks that he will >not be presbyopic when he grows up. Dream and destiny at 40 - presbiopia Preferably with hyperopia ! Lena > > > > I am 15. England, right now. From Norway original. > [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Hi You are right. >As Dr Judy had rightly mentioned "Teenage angst".Once she attians the >age of forty she will be Presbyopic. First of all normal age of presbiopia around 55 not like here not like now 40 Teenager, explains all ! Probably we will be more wise now, at our marvelous 40, not trying To make feel her guilty. It is just sometimes women , how she wants to see a men . She did not mean to insult us hyperopic/presbiopic, wearing progressives and having double vision from multifocal contacts. Us, at forties. Here around me 5 pair of glasses of my friend and we can use them all and with a grate success! Probably with the time we will became so experienced in these manipulations, that we can use, let me say three pair at a time, simultaneously. Been so active part of so intense traffic of glasses I still can say that men in glasses look very attractive , only women should keep track were they are. > >As Dr Judy had rightly mentioned "Teenage angst".Once she attians the > >age of forty she will be Presbyopic. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > -- > Message posted via MedKB.comhttp://www.medkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/vision/200708/1 Hi, Please check on the age once again as Presbyoipia starts setting in from the age of forty + and it is not manditory that all who are forty + will be so and this not a thumb rule. >> >As Dr Judy had rightly mentioned "Teenage angst".Once she attians the >> >age of forty she will be Presbyopic. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >from the age of forty + and it is not manditory that all who are >forty + will be so and this not a thumb rule. Hi, please, pay attention on: not like NOW, not like HERE. Too Ms.brainy, Did You read Harry Potter number 7? What did your think of it? I thought it was very good. lena, >Doctor was WRONG! If he can he should not ware glasses. Oooh, I mistook you for one of the opposition (ODs) I didn't know you was a Bates supporter, like me! That means we are friends actually. You can work with me to wake up these great idiots on sci.med.vision. They are stupid, addicted to the glasses! How old are you? Where from? I am 15. England, right now. From Norway original. >lena, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >I am 15. England, right now. From Norway original. Nice to meet you ! I am 39, USA, Indiana This community Really needs something like YOUR Opinion. Very maximalistic , young, new generation opinion, it shakes it a little. You just naming the things with their own names. We have forgotten how to do that. Lena >. > You just naming the things with their own names. We have forgotten how to do [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > Message posted via MedKB.comhttp://www.medkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/vision/200708/1 In a way you are right. Deidara does use many names. In fact he has at least 10-15 different aliases that he posts in this newgroup under. This is but his latest one. On Aug 18, 8:27 pm, p.clar...@gmail.com wrote: > Deidara does use many names. In fact he has > at least 10-15 different aliases that he posts in this newgroup > under. This is but his latest one. It's not the latest, and there will be more. Or maybe not, since Quasimodo does not like to do what's requested or expected from him. You see, in order to continue to be self righteous he must persist and do what he has always done, otherwise he is in danger of losing his self righteousness. So now he is in a hard place. If he creates new alter-identities, I will be right, which would make him not righteous. But wait! I also said "or maybe not"! So he loses one way or the other. Well, he can always send his little brother "too" the rescue... > Very good site:www.i-see.org > > -- > Message posted viahttp://www.medkb.com what's up Revival? and i-see is not a good website. it is full of mythology, unproven, and DISPROVEN information. lets not bore everybody more by trotting out all the proof and the research articles which prove Otis and his crap is wrong. don't you ever get tired of shamelessly promoting this bull$hit? >> Very good site:www.i-see.org >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >crap is wrong. don't you ever get tired of shamelessly promoting this >bull$hit? Vision science: WWW.I-SEE.ORG Site is the gates to the vision science info : Help Instractions for finding science: Related pages: IU Visual science virtual library: Harvard, Caltech, MIT etc. etc.etc. "There is no adequate defense, except stupidity, against the impact of a new idea. " Percy Williams Bridgman U. S. physicist, Nobel Prize, 1946. > p.clar...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Very good site:www.i-see.org [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > -- > Message posted viahttp://www.medkb.com Lena, Who and what are you? You are switching your positions from post to post. Are you drunk or something? Or maybe just an "undecided" one? I have read some of your posts about progressive glasses. Amazing! Where did you get such weird ideas? Can you think clearly at all? Apparently you came here from Otis' site and i-see. This NG is different, so perhaps you should give it a few days of reading before you jump in? i-see is a place for people in search of religion. Otis' yahoo "group" is... well, there are no words to describe it, but one thing is guaranteed: You will read there the same gospell of Otis again and again and again and again and again... Oh, about progressives: They are actually multi-focal without the sharp jumps from zone to zone, and are prescribed for people who already lost part or most of their accommodation, usually due to age. Thus, progressives do not cause loss of accommodation, but rather enable a person who has already lost it to see at various distances. >> p.clar...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Very good site:www.i-see.org [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >post. Are you drunk or something? Or maybe just an "undecided" >one? Dear Ms Brainy Prevention does not means for me cure. We are trying to prevent for example high blood pressure, and so on with exercises and diet. Does it works for everybody? Certainly no. >Thus, progressives do not cause loss of accommodation, but rather >enable a person who has already lost it to see at various distances. Yes, provided that it is almost lost. > are prescribed for people who >already lost part or most of their accommodation When it is not really big part they steel can accomodate. It is not really good idea at 41. When add only +1 Lena > Your own human body eyesight remained the same. Only you were able to > focus correctly because of an external and artificial crutch. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > even if they do not need it, this new destructive breed which call > 'designer lenses'. > No, certainly not. I would never wear correction if it was the last > thing I did. > > Do you enjoy looking stupid? Do you enjoy being weak? Hmmm. I think the question to ask here is: Why is Deidara so rude and insulting to those who wear glasses and why is she telling them off? Some people choose to wear glasses, some don't. Some people like to see clearly, some would rather see blurry. Some people think glasses are ugly, some think they are sexy. You are entitled to your opinions, others are entitled to theirs. Don't force your opinions on the rest of the world, the rest of the world won't force their opinions on you. Dr Judy > My question > Would You wear correction all the time if you had for example only -1.0 Speaking just for myself, maybe not. >> My question >> Would You wear correction all the time if you had for example only -1.0 > >Speaking just for myself, maybe not. Nice answer L. |
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