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Medical Forum / General / Vision / August 2007Never get Ophthalmological treatment in India!
What kind of w.nkers would post internet newsgroup spam in order to promote their medical treatment abilities? Somebody who isn't very professional and has poor judgment-- that's who! I recommend that NO ONE consider visiting India for any treatment. Except maybe Otis. >I recommend that NO ONE consider visiting India for any treatment. That seems to be painting an entire country's medical proficiency with a rather broad brush. There are many excellent medical facilities and providers throughout South Asia. No need to condemn them all because of one's less than tasteful use of a newsgroup. Glenn Hagele Executive Director USAEyes (TM) Patient Advocacy Surgeon Certification "Consider and Choose With Confidence" (TM) Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org http://www.USAEyes.org Lasik Bulletin Board http://www.USAEyes.org/Ask-Lasik-Expert/ I am not a doctor. Copyright 2007 All Rights Reserved On Aug 15, 11:26 am, Glenn - USAEyes.org <glenn.hageleSTOPS...@USAEyes.org> wrote: > >I recommend that NO ONE consider visiting India for any treatment. > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Copyright 2007 > All Rights Reserved i never said anything about Southeast Asia. I said India. The country where the facilities these spammers are advertising are located. If they were smart perhaps they would realize that posting such spam annoys people rather than promotes a positive image of their medical prowess. So I guess I don't really know what you mean. Do you complain that I lump all Indian medical facilites together in a negative light? Really-- I think you understand what I mean and I would even guess that on many levels you agree with me that stopping such spam would be beneficial by holding the originators accountable. or maybe you wouldn't in which case I don't have a clue what your problem is. > i never said anything about Southeast Asia. Nor has anyone else. India is a country in South Asia as was stated. It may be spam to advertise repeatedly on this NG, but you're still racist bigot when you condemn every doctor in a particular country.  Signature~RT > In article <1187218583.845666.278...@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > -- > ~RT Can't be a racist and bigoted statement. Not all docs in India are Indian. Can't be bigoted either, lots of religions are represented in India. Doctor is a profession not a race or religion, so he would be a "doctorist", not a racist. > Can't be a racist and bigoted statement. Not all docs in India are > Indian. Can't be bigoted either, lots of religions are represented in > India. Okay, maybe not racist but certainly a bigot. Bigotry is not limited to religion, although many doctors believe they are God :) > Doctor is a profession not a race or religion, so he would be a > "doctorist", not a racist. True, there is a lot of doctorism on this NG :) But pclarkii did clearly state not to go to doctors in India. He's a locationist then. Signature~RT RT> Okay, maybe not racist but certainly a bigot. Bigotry is not limited to religion, although many doctors believe they are God :) Otis> Although in MR. PClark's case far more than "believe", he is convinced he IS a God. Otis> Funny, in most contrys, MR. PClark is not allowed to us a title indicating MEDICAL ability. He is called Mr. and all he can do is to REFRACT the eye. Otis> True medical issues are restricted to MEDICAL people, as per the MEDICAL DOCTORS in India and in other countries. Otis> But Gods don't have to consider their own limitations. Just one man's opinion. Otis > In article <1187224474.413252.209...@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > -- > ~RT >Otis> Although in MR. PClark's case far more than >"believe", he is convinced he IS a God. You're an idiot, Otis. >Otis> Funny, in most contrys, MR. PClark is not allowed >to us a title indicating MEDICAL ability. He is called >Mr. and all he can do is to REFRACT the eye. In this country, you're an idiot, Otis. >Otis> True medical issues are restricted to MEDICAL >people, as per the MEDICAL DOCTORS in India >and in other countries. > >Otis> But Gods don't have to consider their own >limitations. You're an idiot, Otis. >Just one man's opinion. One idiot's opinion, that is. > But pclarkii did clearly state not to go to doctors in India. He's a > locationist then. > > -- > ~RT yeah. i say don't go to anyone who uses spam as a way to advertise their business. if that makes me a bigot in your definition then so be it you dweeb. i guess you appreciate the finer points of being spammed. idiot! > > But pclarkii did clearly state not to go to doctors in India. He's a > > locationist then. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > their business. if that makes me a bigot in your definition then so > be it you dweeb. I agree with your statement above about not patronizing spammers, but that's not what you wrote and that's not what I was responding to. You said "I recommend that NO ONE consider visiting India for any treatment." Can you see the difference? If it was an American practice that posted 3 times in a row, would you caution everyone from visiting the US for treatment? England, France, Russia, Brazil, Japan, China, Pakistan, Jordan, South Africa, Morocco, Norway--where do you draw the line? Your statement came across as condemning India because that poster was from India and you have something against India. Want to throw some other locations in there or is it just India; and why? > i guess you appreciate the finer points of being > spammed. idiot! Actually, I think I missed those finer points because I didn't read the posts, I simply kill filed them. As soon as I noticed they were advertisements, I deleted them. You and "Brainy" (now that's funny) don't seem to see that I'm not defending spam on this NG, I just get appalled when I see statements like "I recommend that NO ONE consider visiting India for any treatment." It's absurd and offensive to the thousands of doctors in India who care for millions and contribute to the international scientific community with medical studies and research. I don't necessarily recommend traveling to another country or even across your own country for treatments that you can get closer to home simply because you are then too far away from the doctor should complications arise. In fact, many doctors in India received their training in top US and Europe (and other Western and other) med schools and have the same skills and work at top rate facilities there. There are times I would recommend travel to India. For example, someone in the remote regions of a neighboring country needs a corneal transplant. The closest experts might be in India and traveling to India might be the difference between keeping or losing eye sight. If you are referring to "medical tourism" that is another matter altogether and is really about economics. Then again, unless you have a participating doctor/partner in your home country for followups, you are at risk for being stranded if complications arise and there have been some real horror stories I've read about of botched operations. But those are mostly for elective surgeries, especially cosmetic. I think you forget that there are people who read this NG and indeed people in general from all over the world, not just from the US, Europe, Australia or wherever you are. I read this NG when I'm traveling through and living in Asia. There might be circumstances when my best best would be to travel to India to receive treatment. BTW, I haven't heard anyone called a "dweeb" since I was in 5th grade, which was a very long time ago. It made me laugh. Good comeback. "idiot" was not so inspired. Signature~RT > In article <1187262569.614098.155...@a39g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, > > p.clar...@gmail.com wrote:> > If it was an American practice > that posted 3 times in a row, would you caution everyone from visiting > the US for treatment? most definitely. boycott ALL spammers! and I'm not sure that recommending anyone to come to the US so they can be overcharged would be too helpful anyway since there is good healthcare in a lot of countries. > > i guess you appreciate the finer points of being > > spammed. idiot! > > Actually, I think I missed those finer points because I didn't read the > posts, I simply kill filed them. good for you. South Asia (not Southeast Asia) is a common term for the area that encompasses India. Glenn Hagele Executive Director USAEyes (TM) Patient Advocacy Surgeon Certification "Consider and Choose With Confidence" (TM) Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org http://www.USAEyes.org Lasik Bulletin Board http://www.USAEyes.org/Ask-Lasik-Expert/ I am not a doctor. Copyright 2007 All Rights Reserved On Aug 15, 6:08 pm, Glenn - USAEyes.org <glenn.hageleSTOPS...@USAEyes.org> wrote: > South Asia (not Southeast Asia) is a common term for the area that > encompasses India. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Copyright 2007 > All Rights Reserved To all those who rushed to defend the spammer from India and accuse PClar of crimes against humanity: Have you lost any touch with reality? Lighten up! The spammer posted under "VisionCareIndia", purporting to represent the vision care system of the entire Indian subcontinent. PClar had a spontaneous response, nothing more and nothing else. I can assure you that he did not suggest the entire population of India should be blamed, or that there is no decent physician in India who does an honest job of eye care and is not engaged in spamming. As to Hitler, he didn't do it alone. There were the masses of supporters and enablers who made that last century insanity possible. Apparently now we have here a wave of spam supporters, attacking the one who stood up to denounce it. Shame on you! >To all those who rushed to defend the spammer Stupid woman. No one was defending the spammer, only your idiotic mind perceived it as so. >accuse PClar of crimes against humanity: As if PClar doesn't do it himself, on a constant basis with Otis? Filth like him deserve to be condemned, for every last stupid word they utter. Give them a taste of their own medicine, it will! > I can assure you that he did not suggest the >entire population of India should be blamed He as good as, did! >Apparently now we have here a wave of spam supporters Stupid woman. Only in your foolish mind. >attacking the one who stood up to denounce it. No, just attacking the whiners who stood up to see their flag waving. >Shame on you! Shame on you, Brainy! Go suck up to your boyfriend PClar somewhere else. I know how much he enjoys it. > As if PClar doesn't do it himself, on a constant basis with Otis? > Filth like him deserve to be condemned, for every last stupid word > they utter. better go to bed Revival. i hear mummy calling. daddy will be mad. >i say don't go to anyone who uses spam as a way to advertise Such pathetic lies... This is what you said in your first post: >I recommend that NO ONE consider visiting India for any treatment. It wasn't that long ago, and you have already forgotten? You dimwit moronic idiot. >i hear mummy calling. daddy will be mad. Speaking of mummies and daddies... Didn't yours ever tell you not to lie? >i guess you appreciate the finer points of being spammed. idiot! Spam or no spam, it is irrelavant. Your first remark was filth either way. Deny all you like, you pathetic old dweeb. But you remain the idiot you always were. > On Aug 15, 6:08 pm, Glenn - USAEyes.org > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Hi There are much better institutes than this and they never involve in such activities.Lot of patient awarness programmes are done in the rural areas free of cost.Request Vision Care to provide a detailed programmes that they have done on Behalf on National Blind Control Society Of India with documental evidences.I'll do more postings on this. > > On Aug 15, 6:08 pm, Glenn - USAEyes.org > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Hello Gang: Be very careful of Glenn Hagele and his advice...Here are some references that you may want to read on Hagele: http://lasikflap.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=21 (if you doubt any of this to be true, or in the opinions of many hurt lasik patients that Hagele has tried to blackmail, then please contact any of the hurt lasik patients because most of them have websites warning you of Glenn Hagele) Be very, very careful as some of the people on line who are giving you advice certainly are not doctors and should not be. Some of these same people, are getting kick backs or commissions from lying lasik doctors to funnel patients their way. I have an investigation with several US departments that are checking into this and posing as hurt patients to verify the fraud attempts. Again, be very careful...these are YOUR eyes and you can NOT afford one mistake! Why do I care? Very simply put, I now understand how corrupt lying lasik doctors can be first hand. Many/most will lie to you in order to take your money and believe it or not, once you sign the Informed Consent form, these lying lasik doctors KNOW that you won't win in a courtroom even if you were hurt by their negligence...That is just the tip of the iceburg and I'll leave it at that! I operate a website called: www.LifeAfterLasik.com and I hear all of the complaints about Lasik. If I may put my two cents worth in here. I would say to first and foremost, DO NOT ELECT LASIK SURGERY, because GREED is at the front and PATIENT's SAFETY AND WELL BEING is at the back. Truly I am educated on this subject since I have had about 500 conversations with suicidal post lasik patients and I heard the numbers were more like 10,000 hurt lasik patients in the USA alone and growing. But neither here nor there, the best treatment in my opinion after speaking with doctors, educated phd's, scientists, attorneys is to NOT have treatment within the USA as they make you sign a INFORMED CONSENT FORM, which is really there to protect the lying lasik doctors from YOU suing them. I would recommend that you go to either Germany,Norway or Italy as they are 3 years ahead of the USA, they don't tend to lie to get your money and tend to give you a more biased honest opinion. I had to fly out of the country to Tromso, Norway twice this year to get a surface PRK treatment because the technology wasn't even safe for doing TOPO guided PRK to fix what the USA lying lasik doctors are messing up. Anyway, please do your du-dilligence, and TRUST NO ONE especially the USA doctors! They tend to lie, charge you top dollar, and by the time the Statute of Limitations runs out, you can't sue them for the irreversible damages incurred. Trust me, I know how corrupt it is here in the USA... Please reference chat rooms that are full of unhappy lasik patients that once had great lives, great stories, and now the common word is "suidical", see for yourself: www.LasikFlap.com www.LifeAfterLasik.com www.LasikFraud.com www.YouTube.com Search: Glenn Hagele, CRSQA, Lasik FDA, And you will discover the documentaries that were aired showing that the lasik industry has "skewed" success rates actually LYING to the public about how many patients reported being "happy." This is shown here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqomPX4ADvE Or read about the idiot that ruined my eyesight and has 60+ lawsuits and is now being sued by our family here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rhq68dCvj1k Good luck! I ask you for not one penny, no money, just that you understand one thing: Know this: "You only have one set of eyes. PERIOD. Why let anyone take a razor blade and slash through your perfectly clear optics that can tolerate glasses or contacts? Did you know after Lasik, most of us can't even tolerate glasses or contacts and have to be on prescription strength eye drops for the rest of our lives at the tune of $150/month?" "Most lasik surgeries are a failure 1,3,5,8 years later." Do you know why? Answer: Your eyes change, gravity changes your eyes, and worse yet, the flap created by their blades are lifelong and never fully heal. Most of you will have a medical condition called Dry Eye Syndrome which there is NO KNOWN CURE for. The lying lasik doctors aren't really enforcing this or "telling the entire story nor are they properly educating their patients" about ALL of the indepth problems associated with lasik such as Suicide and Blindness. And the reason is simple, they are making "millions." Their families are benefiting off of your families suffering ongoing and the industry could care less. The news channels could care less. It's all a mafia style gravy train to be blunt. I've become a person at which a handful of people who had a bad Lasik outcome have decided to direct their ire. Their attacks include lying about my financial history, insulting my wife, publishing my personal identity including Social Security number, bank account numbers, credit card numbers on their bulletin boards, defamation, trademark infringement, listing doctors we have not certified as recommended, harassing those who fund and govern our nonprofit organization, and often doing this while hiding behind false identities and multiple aliases. Considering the work I do to advocate for Lasik patients and the nonprofit patient advocacy I founded, their acts seem to have no logic or reason. Even stranger is the fact that these people did not seek our information before surgery and did not use doctors certified by our organization, but you can't use logic and reason on illogical and unreasonable people. The outrageous accusations, manipulations, half-truths, outright lies, false complaints, and attacks on me and others by these anti-Lasik zealots have caused them some serious trouble. One recently had the FBI show up at his door investigating an alleged extortion attempt against his former surgeon and had previously been charged with felony use of false identity and resisting arrest. Another has the Attorney General investigating her for publicizing my personal identity including Social Security number on her website. Her employer is investigating how her access to federal secure computer systems was used to publish defamation on the Internet, and she uses so many aliases it is hard to keep up. Another has a permanent restraining order against him for threatening Dallas Lasik doctor William Boothe, MD with physical violence, has been sued for defamation, lost, found in contempt of court and sentenced to jail (fled state), is in bankruptcy, cyber-pirated our organization's trademark domain, plus I'm personally suing him for defamation and invasion of privacy in California Superior Court. Rather than copy and pasting the details again and again, just Google: Brent Hanson http://tinyurl.com/yrjayg Lauranell "Nell" Burch http://tinyurl.com/2y74l7 Dean Andrew Kantis http://tinyurl.com/2zf3qa Or you can stop by my personal website: http://www.GlennHagele.com For those who would like to form their own opinion about the work I do and the organization I founded, visit our website and/or our Lasik Patient Forum listed below my signature. Glenn Hagele Executive Director USAEyes (TM) Patient Advocacy Surgeon Certification "Consider and Choose With Confidence" (TM) Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org http://www.USAEyes.org Lasik Bulletin Board http://www.USAEyes.org/Ask-Lasik-Expert/ I am not a doctor. Copyright 2007 All Rights Reserved >The spammer posted under "VisionCareIndia", purporting to represent >the vision care system of the entire Indian subcontinent. What new level of stupidity have you reached, Brainy? Just because the name is "VisionCareIndia" does not follow the conclusion that it is purporting to represent the vision care system of the entire subcontinent. You have never heard ofa typical company name such as 'MedicareUK' or 'TrainExpressAmerica'? Do you even hear anything at all, Brainy? With this new level of stupidity I now witness, I would very much doubt you do! >What kind of w.nkers would post internet newsgroup spam Better to ask: What kind of fool can't use a kill file? >I recommend that NO ONE consider visiting India for any treatment. You idiotic moron! What kind of a stupid filthy crap remark is this? And we should all avoid visiting Germany because Hitler ruled? >What kind of w.nkers would post internet newsgroup spam Better to ask: What kind of moronic fool can't use a kill file? >Somebody who isn't very professional >and has poor judgment-- that's who! Wow! How long did it take you to work this one out? >I recommend that NO ONE consider visiting India for any treatment. You idiotic scum! What kind of a stupid filthy crap remark is this? And we should all avoid visiting Germany because Hitler ruled? > >What kind of w.nkers would post internet newsgroup spam > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > And we should all avoid visiting Germany because Hitler ruled? Dear Troll Kakuzu-Quasimodo, When a new person finds this NG and sees the entire first page of messages consisting on spam and commercials only, s/he would think (as would I and probably you) that this is another Internet group that was taken over by the spammers. They would then skip this usenet group and continue the search for an uncontaminated group. Moreover, a barrage of such posts kills any outstanding discussion by pushing it to the back. Only seldom those older posts are visited once they are pushed to older pages. This has happened to you as well. You (or your little brother?) was told by your parents to "go to bed" so you couldn't respond to my post, but you promised to write "tomorrow". This promise was killed by the spammers and your a.s was saved. Or maybe it wasn't you but rather Hoshigaki (it was his style and personality), confusingly using your identity? You should get your act together, Troll! Hello, Ms.Brainy, you are directing this post to me? Your first paragraph displays the foolishness which I would hope to illustrate before we must all contend with a new outbreak of stupidity which in these situations so inevitably arises, which also shares remarkable similarities to the case of the 'Neil Brooks vs Otis battle'. You will not destroy this spam poster by your petty whining. It is an advertiser, who cares little for the newsgroup it must insinuate itself into and pollute for gain of wealth! Do not attempt to vanquish it with a fresh parade of moaning, as Neil Brooks continually attempts to do in the case of Otis. It is futile! If you truly wish for its banishment, then you should confront the member with use of a formal complaint. The fact is that there is no other way, and to post your futile exhibits of aggravated rants is self defeating in its purpose, lending the spammer a higher level of attention; and attracting further potential customers. Ever studied Economics? If you had, you would have the commonsense knowledge that this is a typical market strategy! Although, common sense is clearly lacking with a number of participants in here. >Moreover, a barrage of such posts kills any outstanding discussion by >pushing it to the back. Only seldom those older posts are visited >once they are pushed to older pages. Yes, but the newsgroups have been designed in this way with good reason. Older posts are pushed to the back so that the new horde of threads may prosper. It aids fast progression of the discussion. It is an advantage, not a disadvantage. If it is felt by the participants that any of the buried or hidden threads may still carry any discussion value, then by posting in that thread, it will ensure its display under the 'active older topics' heading, which is a small column to the far right in the page. It is a brilliant and intelligent system for increased productivity of conversation, surely? >This has happened to you as well. You (or your little brother?) was >told by your parents to "go to bed" so you couldn't respond to my >post, but you promised to write "tomorrow". It was me. I note that you write 'go to bed' in quotations, as though to mark your disbelief. Perhaps it seems odd to you, but recall that you are living in America and the timezone is different. Therefore night approaches here before night approaches your own country. And thus bedtime for me is earlier also, than your own. My promise was held on the account that you would simplify your post such as to allow me to decipher the basis of each point you are making against me. You have not done this, therefore my promise does not take effect. >You should get your act together, Troll! I do not understand what is meant by that! > >What kind of w.nkers would post internet newsgroup spam > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > And we should all avoid visiting Germany because Hitler ruled? Revival-- you are an idiot. how about you go away along with all the spammers as well. On Aug 15, 9:28 am, p.clar...@gmail.com wrote: > Except maybe Otis. did this honk you off Otis? you pathetic simpleton. |
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