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Medical Forum / General / Vision / August 2007Second-opinion answers to Majority-opinion Questions
Dear sci.med.vision friends, Subject: The second-opinion answers to the majority-opinion questions raised on sci.med.vision. Research on the subject of PREVENTING nearsightedness has a long history. It is clear that no one has "perfect" answers to all questions that can be asked about the natural (or fundamental) eye's behavior. Here are some of the answers for your interest: http://www.i-see.org/osb_qa.html Enjoy, Otis On Aug 5, 10:20 am, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote: > Dear sci.med.vision friends, > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Otis What's CLEAR is that you had no rational answers AT ALL. I'm glad you got your mommy (Alex) to help you. Did you pay him, or was your incessant weeping and continuing to look like a helpless idiot on a public forum sufficient to tug at his heart strings? If I care, I'll respond to Alex's inputs later. Yours weren't given, so ... my barrage against you doesn't end. Otis: STOP PUTTING THIS sh.t FORWARD IF YOU CANNOT DEFEND IT (and you CAN'T). You don't even have enough of a clue what you're TALKING about to even ENDEAVOR to answer the questions yourself. You had to seek out Alex -- far from a bastion of optometric/opthalmologic wisdom, himself -- to save your a.s. Alex: the fact that YOU had to come to his rescue, to me, means that you're just as pathetic as he is. Why you don't simply let him stand OR FALL on his own ignorance is absolutely beyond me. Enabling this demented douche bag helps nobody, and -- historically -- hurts people. Cheers. X-No-Archive So -- as expected -- YOU couldn't even answer direct, honest, relevant questions regarding the CRAP that you have put forth here, and elsewhere, for years. Since you can't answer these yourself, and ... now that you HAVE your supposed "expert' all lined up, why don't you get Alex working on these questions now, Uncle Otie? As a parent of a young daughter, I'm sure the extra money could only help him. ====== OTIS??? WE'RE STILL A LITTLE SHORT ON DETAILS HERE. WOULD YOU MIND ADDRESSING THE QUESTIONS BELOW?? PLEASE DON'T LEAVE US IN SUSPENSE. MAYBE IT'S TIME FOR A LITTLE PARABLE ... "THE PRINTER'S SON" OR "THE AMBULANCE ON ITS WAY TO PICK UP UNCLE OTIE," OR SOMETHING. WE'RE ON PINS AND NEEDLES WAITING FOR THE ANSWERS HERE. PLEASE?? ===== >>I called Granet's number. >With or without help? >>Got a recording. End of story. >Or is it ... ? Stay tuned as Otis changes the story below.... >>The ophthamologist (I will NOT identify) "in question" was bemused by >>Brooks antics. >But ... I though you got a recording ... and that that was the "end of >story?" You don't seem lucid, Uncle Otie. Please explain. >So ... > - you got a recording, but an unnamed ophthalmologist was "bemused by >my antics?" > - Did you talk to David Granet? Yes or no. > - Did you ask him whether or not delayed adjustable suture technique >was my idea? Yes or no. > - If you DID ask him about this, then what was his answer? >You are a pathologically dishonest, demented old fool. >Maybe quite a few people don't notice that you haven't actually >answered a single direct question, as always, but ... I can ... and >that's enough. >>Donald Rehm wants NOTHING TO DO WITH NEIL BROOKS. >Who said anything about talking to Don Rehm? Nice straw man, Uncle >Otie. >'Twas Alex Eulenberg that verified the absolute truth about Rehm's >statements of the risks of using unprescribed plus lenses. Then Alex, >TOO, lied about THOSE risks. Rehm acknowledged them. Alex denied >them. >Birds of a feather, Uncle Otie? >>He will not talk to him, nor will not reply to any comments >Gee. I didn't realize there was any dialogue there. Maybe it's >because there wasn't. >>and "made up" stories of this inventor of the >>slip-suture for strabismus. >You're ... um ... lying again, Uncle Otie. Did you talk with David >Granet, or didn't you? What happened to "the recording?" Did you >simply talk while the recording was playing?? >Can even YOU keep track of the truth anymore? >>If you feel you can "trust" this unknown inventor >>of the slip-suture, on ANY TOPIC, continue >>talking to him. >I've NEVER lied on this forum. Have you EVER told the truth? >How well DID plus lens therapy work for your myopic niece, Joyce V. >Benson, Uncle Otie? >Why don't you ever talk about that results of THAT "purely scientific >experiment?" >> I am simply fed up with this jerk. >You're tired of being wrong, having people call you on your lies, and >having somebody ask you to back up all of your erroneous claims. >I don't doubt that. >But ... as I've repeatedly said, and as I've repeatedly shown ... >you're a pathological liar, operating at diminished capacity, and >probably shouldn't be allowed to handle your own financial or legal >affairs. You CERTAINLY shouldn't be meddling in ANYBODY'S MEDICAL >situation. >Seriously. >And ... for the record ... you hurt people BY your lies. >Not me. I'm honest ... and I don't hurt people, and -- ya' know what? >That really DOES make me better than you. >Still waiting for the truth of your attempts to reach Dave Granet, >Uncle Otie. >I'll ... uh ... keep reminding you until you let me know. >Try to remember that I can verify YOUR story with a phone call or >e-mail, so ... please try not to lie. >I know you cannot promise, but ... please just try. So -- as expected -- YOU couldn't even answer direct, honest, relevant questions regarding the CRAP that you have put forth here, and elsewhere, for years. Since you can't answer these yourself, and ... now that you HAVE your supposed "expert' all lined up, why don't you get Alex working on these questions now, Uncle Otie? As a parent of a young daughter, I'm sure the extra money could only help him. ====== OTIS??? WE'RE STILL A LITTLE SHORT ON DETAILS HERE. WOULD YOU MIND ADDRESSING THE QUESTIONS BELOW?? PLEASE DON'T LEAVE US IN SUSPENSE. MAYBE IT'S TIME FOR A LITTLE PARABLE ... "THE PRINTER'S SON" OR "THE AMBULANCE ON ITS WAY TO PICK UP UNCLE OTIE," OR SOMETHING. WE'RE ON PINS AND NEEDLES WAITING FOR THE ANSWERS HERE. PLEASE?? you spend too much time looking at the history of myopia prevention and no time at all looking at the current status of research efforts. a lot has been discovered since the old texts and treatises you believe in. there's nothing wrong with nostalgia, but don't get it confused with the present. x-no-archive: Dear PClar, Subject: The second-opinion, and a choice I am certain you believe what you say. But as I stated, their are facts and arguments for PREVENTION (separated from the public's demand for instantly-sharp vision from you). If the person is interested in PREVENTION from a second-opinion optometrist, say like Steve Leung, then he should review this posting himself. I do agree that we are discussion PREVENTION and only on the threshold. And that does become a matter of personal judgment of the parent and child about these issues. Just my second-opinion, Otis On Aug 5, 11:58 pm, p.clar...@gmail.com wrote: > you spend too much time looking at the history of myopia prevention > and no time at all looking at the current status of research efforts. > a lot has been discovered since the old texts and treatises you > believe in. there's nothing wrong with nostalgia, but don't get it > confused with the present. Subject: The second-opinion site But I would agree and suggest that further discussions (for those interested) be moved to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/i-see/ As conducted by Alex Eulenberg. Otis On Aug 6, 8:44 am, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote: > x-no-archive: > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > - Show quoted text - On Aug 6, 5:48 am, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote: > But I would agree and suggest that further discussions > (for those interested) be moved to: > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/i-see/ > > As conducted by Alex Eulenberg. a/k/a "Mommy," the one to whom Otis had to crawl to have direct, logical, relevant questions answered ... when/because he was totally incapable of answering them himself. Why don't you start by moving ALL such conversations in which YOU are involved over there ... today. Others will surely follow (much as they have on your little myopiafree.com site). Run. Don't walk. As a final, parting shot, though, how about telling us all what happened with your phone call to Dave Granet. You seem to have tripped yourself up in ... er ... um ... a (par for the course) web of lies there. Thanks. |
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