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Glasses on or off?

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dawkirst@gmail.com - 23 Jul 2007 19:45 GMT
Hello,

I'm a 21 year old male, suffering from myopia and astigmatism. The
left lens prescription is -2.50 H, and the right one is -2.75 H+.

I've always removed my glasses when doing close-up work, such as
reading or studying (and still does) but lately I'm having difficulty
even seeing so close up.

My question: is it harmful for my eyes to do the close-up work with my
glasses on? I presupposed so, but I thought I would see what you guys
would say.

Thanks! :)
Neil Brooks - 23 Jul 2007 19:53 GMT
>Hello,
>
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>
>Thanks! :)

DUCK AND COVER!!!
emile@silvis.co.za - 23 Jul 2007 19:56 GMT
> >Hello,
>
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>
> DUCK AND COVER!!!

Doesn't the group description read "Human vision, visual correction,
and visual science"? Damn, didn't think I was _that_ myopic...
Neil Brooks - 23 Jul 2007 20:22 GMT
>> >Hello,
>>
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>Doesn't the group description read "Human vision, visual correction,
>and visual science"? Damn, didn't think I was _that_ myopic...

It surely does.  This question raises an issue (over-correction,
under-correction of myopia) that would be perfectly suitable fodder
for discussion ... if it weren't for the presence of one insane poster
named Otis Brown.

Just ignore what Otis says and you should be fine.

My layman's opinion on the question, for what it's worth, is that the
original poster should have another eye exam to rule out any sort of
binocular vision problems, accommodative insufficiency, etc.

It may be that bifocals are indicated.
Edwardo Alphonse Elric - 23 Jul 2007 20:05 GMT
Dawki,

Leave your glasses off.

If you struggle to see, then passively observe your breathing for 1
minute.

After the minute has elapsed, modify your breathing so that your
stomach rises when you inhale, and falls when you exhale. Feel your
stomach with your hands to check this. Relax and do not force it, but
just allow yourself to breathe deeply. Blink frequently and lightly.

Within five minutes, your vision will be restored.
otisbrown@pa.net - 23 Jul 2007 21:07 GMT
Commentary by Professor of Ophthalmology, Dr. David Guyton:

    "For my young patients with simple myopia, I suggest they
leave their distance glasses off while reading, something I have
always done myself.  A child who cannot see the board at school,
for example, should wear glasses to see the board, but remove them
when reading a book or writing."

You can believe Neil Brooks, with no qualifications AT ALL,
to make recommendations of this nature, or you
can believe David Guyton who is a superior ophthamologist,
and knows what he is talking about.

But Brooks has no respect of anything -- other than
his own opinion.

Otis

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On Jul 23, 2:45 pm, dawki...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hello,
>
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>
> Thanks! :)
Kisame Hoshigaki - 23 Jul 2007 22:08 GMT
Hallo Otis
how are you?
Neil Brooks - 24 Jul 2007 00:55 GMT
>You can believe Neil Brooks, with no qualifications AT ALL,
>to make recommendations of this nature, or you
>can believe David Guyton who is a superior ophthamologist,
>and knows what he is talking about.

Did Guyton examine the original poster?

No?

Really??

Okay.  Thanks.

>But Brooks has no respect of anything -- other than
>his own opinion.

Oh, Otis.  You're such an idiot.

Is Carol inflatable?  Does she even exist??

Hard to imagine....
Mike Tyner - 23 Jul 2007 22:12 GMT
> My question: is it harmful for my eyes to do the close-up work with my
> glasses on? I presupposed so, but I thought I would see what you guys
> would say.

There are some very vocal people _lay_ people who preach this myth, with
surprising fervor.

Doctors say it doesn't make enough difference to caution you either way. If
you're more comfortable, wear them.

If some of your work is more than 18" away, that probably would cause
discomfort.

-MT, OD
Dr Judy - 24 Jul 2007 01:59 GMT
On Jul 23, 2:45 pm, dawki...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hello,
>
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> glasses on? I presupposed so, but I thought I would see what you guys
> would say.

Think of it this way.  With your glasses on, reading is exactly the
same as for people who don't wear glasses.  You will accommodate and
converge, with your glasses on, in exactly the same manner as a non
glasses wearer.  So is it harmful for the eyes of non glasses wearers
to read?

With your current prescription, anything further away than about 35cm
(16 inches) will be blurry without the glasses.  So I'm not surprised
that you are noticing discomfort.

Otis will soon weigh in with different advice, ignore him.

Judy

> Thanks! :)
otisbrown@pa.net - 24 Jul 2007 17:28 GMT
Dear Friend,

A professor of ophthamology stated that he himself,
takes the minus lens off for all close work

Judy> Otis will soon weigh in with different advice, ignore him.

Majoiry-opinion Judy recommends that you ignore the advice
of an ophthmologist, and wear your minus glasses all the time.

You can follow the advice of an optometrist or
an ophthamologist.

Otis

> On Jul 23, 2:45 pm, dawki...@gmail.com wrote:
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Neil Brooks - 24 Jul 2007 17:54 GMT
>Dear Friend,
>
>A professor of ophthamology stated that he himself,
>takes the minus lens off for all close work

What's Guyton's prescription?

How old is Guyton?

What are Guyton's accommodative amplitudes?

Thanks.

>Judy> Otis will soon weigh in with different advice, ignore him.
>
>Majoiry-opinion Judy recommends that you ignore the advice
>of an ophthmologist, and wear your minus glasses all the time.

You can't read--possibly because you can't see.  Judy said that the
original poster should ignore YOU.  She did NOT say that anybody
should wear their glasses all the time.

You're a liar.

>You can follow the advice of an optometrist or
>an ophthamologist.

Or Otis, who is neither, AND quite likely mentally ill.

Seriously.
Scott Seidman - 24 Jul 2007 18:06 GMT
> Majoiry-opinion Judy recommends that you ignore the advice
> of an ophthmologist, and wear your minus glasses all the time.

That's not what she said, of course.  She just said it wouldn't hurt his
eyes if he did wear his glasses all the time.

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Neil Brooks - 24 Jul 2007 18:17 GMT
>> Majoiry-opinion Judy recommends that you ignore the advice
>> of an ophthmologist, and wear your minus glasses all the time.
>
>That's not what she said, of course.  

Yeah.  Otis ... um ... well ... he lies ... almost constantly.

It's rather annoying.

>She just said it wouldn't hurt his
>eyes if he did wear his glasses all the time.
otisbrown@pa.net - 24 Jul 2007 19:10 GMT
Dear Scott,

Please note that I DID NOT SAY HURT.

I said that the natural eye simply changes its
refractive STATE in a negative direction if
you wear a full strength minus ALL THE TIME.

The original poster can read David Guyton's commentary
and choose to wear the -2.75 all the time, or
simply use it when he deems it necessary.

After all, he just asked for was OPINIONS.

Otis

> "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote innews:1185294492.999056.238370@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
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> Scott
> Reverse name to reply
Mike Tyner - 24 Jul 2007 19:40 GMT
> I said that the natural eye simply changes its
> refractive STATE in a negative direction if
> you wear a full strength minus ALL THE TIME.

Since they don't, you're either stubbornly ignorant, or you're lying.

Which is it?

-MT
Neil Brooks - 24 Jul 2007 20:19 GMT
>> I said that the natural eye simply changes its
>> refractive STATE in a negative direction if
>> you wear a full strength minus ALL THE TIME.
>
>Since they don't, you're either stubbornly ignorant, or you're lying.

Mike, it could be both.  Don't forget.

>Which is it?
>
>-MT
CatmanX - 25 Jul 2007 08:44 GMT
Good one Cletis. You've scared the poor gut away.

Dawki... it is fine if you read with your glasses off. If you are
comfortable with them on, fine, off OK also.

You do what you feel best with.

dr grant
 
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