Could miotic eyedrops be used to treat myopia in conjunction w/ minus
lenses? Pinhole glasses increase depth of field and reduce the circle
of confusion on the retina, thus stopping down the iris' aperture and
slowing down the eye's lens speed; miotic eyedrops would basically be
chemical pinhole glasses. At the very least it would lessen the power
of the eyeglasses or contacts needed. What do you guys think?
Neil Brooks - 16 Jul 2007 21:41 GMT
>Could miotic eyedrops be used to treat myopia in conjunction w/ minus
>lenses? Pinhole glasses increase depth of field and reduce the circle
>of confusion on the retina, thus stopping down the iris' aperture and
>slowing down the eye's lens speed; miotic eyedrops would basically be
>chemical pinhole glasses. At the very least it would lessen the power
>of the eyeglasses or contacts needed. What do you guys think?
Atropine. There's evidence that IT works.
DarkProtoman - 16 Jul 2007 21:53 GMT
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> Atropine. There's evidence that IT works.
Atropine is a MYDRIATIC; it dilates your eyes --for about two weeks--.
Neil Brooks - 16 Jul 2007 22:21 GMT
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>Atropine is a MYDRIATIC; it dilates your eyes --for about two weeks--.
Ayup, but it has a proven track record of slowing myopia progression.
Never heard of any such thing with a miotic. Doesn't mean it can't be
so, but....
William Stacy - 16 Jul 2007 23:35 GMT
They could, but why bother? They have some pretty horrible side effects
(headache, dim vision, night blindness, etc.), and they could
theoretically even cause an increase in myopia due to concurrent and
prolonged accommodative stimulation.
First do no harm.
w.stacy, o.d.
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Mike Tyner - 17 Jul 2007 00:45 GMT
> Could miotic eyedrops be used to treat myopia in conjunction w/ minus
> lenses? Pinhole glasses increase depth of field and reduce the circle
> of confusion on the retina, thus stopping down the iris' aperture and
> slowing down the eye's lens speed; miotic eyedrops would basically be
> chemical pinhole glasses. At the very least it would lessen the power
> of the eyeglasses or contacts needed. What do you guys think?
Neither miotic eyedrops nor pinhole glasses have any known effect on myopia.
Atropine, OTOH, is well known to slow the progress of myopia.
-MT
DarkProtoman - 17 Jul 2007 03:10 GMT
> > Could miotic eyedrops be used to treat myopia in conjunction w/ minus
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When my OD, Dr. Darcy C. Ryan at Hertzog Eye Associates -- Dr. Leif M.
Hertzog's my opthalmologist; http://hertzogeyecare.com/index.htm--,
performed my optometric eye exam --I had to then see Dr. Hertzog for
an opthalmologic eye exam, b/c I have grade II ROP; he told me I have
a very tiny cataract in both eyes-- he used pinhole glasses, and I
could see the chart better; not as well as w/ my eyeglasses, but
better than w/o them. So they must work.
BTW, have any of you had experience w/ Drs. Hertzog and/or Ryan? How
do you like them?
Mike Tyner - 17 Jul 2007 10:37 GMT
> he used pinhole glasses, and I
> could see the chart better; not as well as w/ my eyeglasses, but
> better than w/o them. So they must work.
Of course they "work". But your myopia is still there.
-MT
otisbrown@pa.net - 17 Jul 2007 04:11 GMT
And you say that Atropine has no side effects?
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Neil Brooks - 17 Jul 2007 04:24 GMT
>And you say that Atropine has no side effects?
Who said that, Uncle Otie, and where?
Are you off the meds again? Didn't they warn you about that??
Mike Tyner - 17 Jul 2007 10:38 GMT
> And you say that Atropine has no side effects?
Who said that?
-MT
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 17 Jul 2007 11:44 GMT
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looks like Otis is spoiling for a fight
isn't it easy to see how Otis mixes up his facts? he thinks he hears
what he wants to hear.
otisbrown@pa.net - 18 Jul 2007 03:04 GMT
So then, Atropine has a serious secondary effect?
"First do no harm".
Otis
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Mike Tyner - 18 Jul 2007 03:21 GMT
> So then, Atropine has a serious secondary effect?
Sure. Everything has side effects.
But individuals treated with atropine do better than untreated controls.
Individuals treated with plus lenses don't show the same long-term benefits.
If they did, Ong and Parssinen and Shotwell and all those others would have
reported it. They lied?
Atropine blurs vision, plus lenses blur vision.
Atropine works but it's too noxious.
Plus lenses are noxious too, but so far they have failed to demonstrate
long-term benefits.
Still waiting.
-MT
Neil Brooks - 18 Jul 2007 03:27 GMT
>So then, Atropine has a serious secondary effect?
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>"First do no harm".
Yeah. That's part of the oath that you never HAD to take. Maybe that
explains why your (absent) conscience isn't plagued by the people in
whom you've induced double vision.
God, but you're an idiot.
Dr Judy - 18 Jul 2007 03:44 GMT
> Could miotic eyedrops be used to treat myopia in conjunction w/ minus
> lenses? Pinhole glasses increase depth of field and reduce the circle
> of confusion on the retina, thus stopping down the iris' aperture and
> slowing down the eye's lens speed; miotic eyedrops would basically be
> chemical pinhole glasses. At the very least it would lessen the power
> of the eyeglasses or contacts needed. What do you guys think?
Leaving aside the drop side effects, there is no evidence that pinhole
glasses slow or reverse myopia.
Dr Judy