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Common Sense
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William Horatio Bates - 14 Jul 2007 20:05 GMT ---
I am in the habit of testing the vision of persons with imperfect sight at fifteen or twenty feet. Then I have them close their eyes, rest them, and if possible forget that they have eyes by remembering other things which are of interest to them. When done properly, and most people if not all are able to do it properly, the vision is always temporarily improved.
I spoke to one of my patients after this had happened and asked the question, "What did you do to improve your sight?" The patient answered "I do not know" This seemed to me a remarkable answer. I asked a second question, "What did I tell you?" The patient answered "You told me to close my eyes and rest them" "What helped you then to see better?" "I do not know" answered the patient.
Then I had to start in and talk and explain and tell the patient that it was the rest that helped the patient and not any efforts that were made. It is a matter of common sense. Most people would realize that if they rested their eyes and their sight got better that the rest must have had something to do with it; and, strange as it may appear, I have seen very few people who could realize or understand this truth.
So many people ask me how my patents are benefited. Is it Christian Science, is it auto-suggestion, is it hypnotism, psychoanalysis, psychology, or has it to do in any way with mental science? The only answer that seems to me to approach the truth is "common sense" Now when I come to review my cases and try to fit common sense to the results obtained I get all mixed up. Most people have common sense, which is ordinary intelligence or the ability to do things in a reasonable, proper way. People who are highly educated, college graduates, professional men, teachers and college professors, would be expected to have a greater amount of common sense than ordinary persons, but I am sorry to say they do not. I have very little respect for mental science because of the numerous assumptions and theories that are advanced. A theory is always something which makes me uncomfortable. I have never been able to make any progress with a working hypothesis. All my facts which were of benefit to me have no connection whatsoever with mental philosophy. I wish to confess that it gives me a great deal of unholy delight to prove and demonstrate that all theories of physiology are wrong. This is not a popular statement to make, but I do not cure my patients by being popular. The sweetest morsel on the tip of my tongue is to say what somebody else has said before, that logic is an ingenious method of concealing the truth.
When a problem comes to me which is very difficult to me to solve, instead of starting out with a working hypothesis it is my custom to accumulate as many facts as I possibly can, to analyze these facts in various ways and by every method known to science to try to discover whether my facts are true or not; and, believe me, that is not always an easy thing to do. Someone said to me that it was impossible to scientifically prove that my method for the prevention of myopia in schoolchildren ever actually did prevent myopia or nearsightedness; in other words, that it was impossible to prove a negative proposition, or that the children did not or were not prevented from acquiring imperfect sight. It has always given me great pleasure to make the statement that every child with normal eyes who has not worn glasses, who is under twelve years old, can improve their sight by reading the Snellen Test card, first with one eye and then with the other, every day. It is a benefit if the pupil learns the letters on the test chart by heart. They all improve; when I say all, I mean all, there are no exceptions. I challenged the ophthalmologists of this country to bring forward one exception to any of my statements. One exception would prove that the statement is not a truth but at best only a working hypothesis.
What is that improves the sight of these schoolchildren? I have already stated that when the sight is normal the eyes are at rest. When the child reads a familiar card with normal sight the eyes are at rest. Common sense, just ordinary common sense, would conclude from this fact that the vision was improved by rest. Some teachers improved the sight of their children by having them close their eyes for a few minutes or less, frequently during the school session. They told me it always improved the sight when tested either with a familiar card or when tested with an unfamiliar card. When a child cannot read the blackboard his sight is usually improved by closing the eyes and resting them for part of a minute or longer.
The cure of imperfect sight without glasses is not a matter which is complicated, which can only be explained by the abstruse incomprehensible theories of the professors of mental science. The truth is that all can be explained by common sense.
One day I was testing the sight of some schoolchildren. The teacher was interested in one boy. In order to illustrate to the teacher and to the children the bad effects of staring, I asked the boy to stare at the letter "F" on the bottom line of the Snellen test card at twenty feet. This card had been permanently fastened to the wall where all the children could see it from their seats it had been in place for some months. When I asked him to do this he suddenly said to me "Not for me; I tried it once and it gave me an headache and spoiled my sight. I am too wise to do it again"
The boy's common sense enabled him to realize that staring was a bad thing. I told the class that if they would all profit by his experience they would never acquire imperfect sight and need glasses.
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-Horatio
The need for common sense is now at its peak -- more people than ever are today suffering from the menace of imperfect sight, and for what? For nothing but lack of common sense.
My dear community of sci.med.vision, remain not in ignorance, but open your eyes and see the truth. It is a truth that you are curable... now take off your glasses and see!
http://www.iblindness.org
-WH.B
William Horatio Bates - 14 Jul 2007 20:11 GMT ---
I am in the habit of testing the vision of persons with imperfect sight at fifteen or twenty feet. Then I have them close their eyes, rest them, and if possible forget that they have eyes by remembering other things which are of interest to them. When done properly, and most people if not all are able to do it properly, the vision is always temporarily improved.
I spoke to one of my patients after this had happened and asked the question, "What did you do to improve your sight?" The patient answered "I do not know" This seemed to me a remarkable answer. I asked a second question, "What did I tell you?" The patient answered "You told me to close my eyes and rest them" "What helped you then to see better?" "I do not know" answered the patient.
Then I had to start in and talk and explain and tell the patient that it was the rest that helped the patient and not any efforts that were made. It is a matter of common sense. Most people would realize that if they rested their eyes and their sight got better that the rest must have had something to do with it; and, strange as it may appear, I have seen very few people who could realize or understand this truth.
So many people ask me how my patents are benefited. Is it Christian Science, is it auto-suggestion, is it hypnotism, psychoanalysis, psychology, or has it to do in any way with mental science? The only answer that seems to me to approach the truth is "common sense" Now when I come to review my cases and try to fit common sense to the results obtained I get all mixed up. Most people have common sense, which is ordinary intelligence or the ability to do things in a reasonable, proper way. People who are highly educated, college graduates, professional men, teachers and college professors, would be expected to have a greater amount of common sense than ordinary persons, but I am sorry to say they do not. I have very little respect for mental science because of the numerous assumptions and theories that are advanced. A theory is always something which makes me uncomfortable. I have never been able to make any progress with a working hypothesis. All my facts which were of benefit to me have no connection whatsoever with mental philosophy. I wish to confess that it gives me a great deal of unholy delight to prove and demonstrate that all theories of physiology are wrong. This is not a popular statement to make, but I do not cure my patients by being popular. The sweetest morsel on the tip of my tongue is to say what somebody else has said before, that logic is an ingenious method of concealing the truth.
When a problem comes to me which is very difficult to me to solve, instead of starting out with a working hypothesis it is my custom to accumulate as many facts as I possibly can, to analyze these facts in various ways and by every method known to science to try to discover whether my facts are true or not; and, believe me, that is not always an easy thing to do. Someone said to me that it was impossible to scientifically prove that my method for the prevention of myopia in schoolchildren ever actually did prevent myopia or nearsightedness; in other words, that it was impossible to prove a negative proposition, or that the children did not or were not prevented from acquiring imperfect sight. It has always given me great pleasure to make the statement that every child with normal eyes who has not worn glasses, who is under twelve years old, can improve their sight by reading the Snellen Test card, first with one eye and then with the other, every day. It is a benefit if the pupil learns the letters on the test chart by heart. They all improve; when I say all, I mean all, there are no exceptions. I challenged the ophthalmologists of this country to bring forward one exception to any of my statements. One exception would prove that the statement is not a truth but at best only a working hypothesis.
What is that improves the sight of these schoolchildren? I have already stated that when the sight is normal the eyes are at rest. When the child reads a familiar card with normal sight the eyes are at rest. Common sense, just ordinary common sense, would conclude from this fact that the vision was improved by rest. Some teachers improved the sight of their children by having them close their eyes for a few minutes or less, frequently during the school session. They told me it always improved the sight when tested either with a familiar card or when tested with an unfamiliar card. When a child cannot read the blackboard his sight is usually improved by closing the eyes and resting them for part of a minute or longer.
The cure of imperfect sight without glasses is not a matter which is complicated, which can only be explained by the abstruse incomprehensible theories of the professors of mental science. The truth is that all can be explained by common sense.
One day I was testing the sight of some schoolchildren. The teacher was interested in one boy. In order to illustrate to the teacher and to the children the bad effects of staring, I asked the boy to stare at the letter "F" on the bottom line of the Snellen test card at twenty feet. This card had been permanently fastened to the wall where all the children could see it from their seats it had been in place for some months. When I asked him to do this he suddenly said to me "Not for me; I tried it once and it gave me an headache and spoiled my sight. I am too wise to do it again"
The boy's common sense enabled him to realize that staring was a bad thing. I told the class that if they would all profit by his experience they would never acquire imperfect sight and need glasses.
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-Horatio
The need for common sense is now at its peak -- more people than ever are today suffering from the menace of imperfect sight, and for what? For nothing but lack of common sense.
My dear community of sci.med.vision, remain not in ignorance, but open your eyes and see this truth, the truth that you are curable - now remove these artificial crutches and see!
http://www.iblindness.org
-WH.B
otisbrown@pa.net - 14 Jul 2007 20:42 GMT Dear Dr. Bates,
Subject: Developing the PREVENTIVE second-opinion makes PClar Nauseous.
There were two major pioneers "way back when", who advocated profound change. They were Dr. Bates of course, but also Dr. Prentice.
They "solved" the problem of Dr. Bates making them sick -- by firing them! That way they can avoiding using their common sense on this issue of the eye's proven behavior.
PClar asked that I post my remarks to him -- so here they are:
While PClar can "vomit" at the thought of a person successfully clearing his vision (from 20/60), by Bates and other methods, it is VERY CLEAR that other doctors know that it can be accomplished successfully.
But it truly does depend on the person himself developing HIS OWN UNDESTANDING of what he wants in his life.
And taking the personal responsibility to] achieve it.
Here is the discussion.
Otis
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By Chalmer Prentice, M.D.
Transcription (c) A. Wik, 2004
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The following are some very interesting experiments in myopia which can be verified by any operator, and which prove that refractive myopia depends on ciliary spasm, and that, even in axial myopia, considerable repression can sometimes be made at the near point. In either class of cases, repression must be made at the near point. In various lengths of time, we shall be able to reduce the myopia one or two dioptres, sometimes more. In most cases satisfactory results will require considerable time and patience; but a few experiments after the following example will suffice to show that in some very advanced stages of myopia, it is possible to suppress, or at least check, its onward course by repression at the near point.
This fact renders the fitting of minus glasses to myopic eyes an open question.
EXAMPLE CASES
Age forty-three; myopia; had been wearing over the right eye -1.25 D, left eye -1 D, with little or no change for the space of two years; eyes in use more or less at the near point. I recommended the removal of the concave glasses for distant vision and prescribed +3.50 D for reading, writing and other office work.
After reading in these glasses for several days, the patient was able to read print twelve inches from the eyes. This patient was of more than ordinary intelligence and understood the aim of the effort. In six months I changed the glasses for reading and writing to a +4 D without seeing the patient. After using the +4 D glasses for several months he again came under my care for an examination, when the left eye gave twenty-twentieths of vision, while the right eye was very nearly the same, but the acuity was just perceptibly less.
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Similar results have been attained in 34 like cases;
...but the process is very tedious for the patients, and unless their understanding is clear on the subject, it is almost impossible to induce them to undergo the trial.
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[Comment: Anyone considering "prevention" must understand this issue. There is no "easy way" of prevention. As Chalmers said -- the person must fully understand this issue. It is for this reason that I suggest full transfer of "control" to the person himself. If he lacks the motivation to look at the chart, and "clear" himself, then no "third party" (i.e., OD) can do it for the person. This is why I separate a true-medical problem from preventing a negative refractive status in the natural eye. I believe that the above staement simply clarifies that point. OSB]
[Comment: We also have the "Neil DBG Brooks" effect which must be understood. (Read sci.med.vision to understand this effect on an OD.) A few people will SUE ANY OD WHO EVEN MENTIONS PREVENTION-WITH-PLUS OR BATED METHODS.
For that reason, no majority-opinion OD will EVER help you with true-prevention -- and I don't blame them. I would not put myself at risk either -- nor do I expect any majority-opinion to put himself at professional risk either. But that is why you NEVER hear about the preventive effect of a plus -- if used correctly. Think about it. OSB]
But I hope that PClar can overcome his Nausea about a competent PREVENTIVE second-opinion by:
www.chinamyopia.org
and others.
Hope you feel better soon.
Otis
On Jul 14, 3:11 pm, William Horatio Bates <Kyazek...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> --- > [quoted text clipped - 110 lines] > > -WH.B Neil Brooks - 14 Jul 2007 20:54 GMT >Dear Dr. Bates, Um ... Uncle Otie? I'm not quite sure how to tell you this, but ... like the overwhelming majority of your brain cells ... Bates is dead.
He died in 1931.
You need professional help, Otis.
Please seek it out ... actively.
Kisame Hoshigaki - 14 Jul 2007 21:03 GMT > On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 12:42:58 -0700, "otisbr...@pa.net" > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Please seek it out ... actively. LOOOOOOL!
spammer - 14 Jul 2007 23:55 GMT Common sense is what's missing in this entire thread.
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 15 Jul 2007 00:54 GMT On Jul 14, 4:03 pm, Kisame Hoshigaki <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 12:42:58 -0700, "otisbr...@pa.net" > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > LOOOOOOL! wow Revival, you really have everyone faked out with all your pseudo- names (hint-- sarcasm)!
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 15 Jul 2007 00:53 GMT On Jul 14, 3:42 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> While PClar can "vomit" at the thought of a person successfully > clearing his vision (from 20/60), by Bates and other methods, it is > VERY CLEAR that other > doctors know that it can be accomplished successfully. ============================
once again Otis, you take my comments out of context. For instance:
#1 what made me feel like I was going to "vomit" was your picture. See for yourself: http://www.nbeener.com/Oda_May_Brown.html
#2 and what I asked you to post "directly to me" was the answers to the questions and criticisms I have made about your myopia theory. I asked to have a frank and open discussion on these topics but you don't. You know, man-to-man, face-to-face, directly and clearly! Instead you just take a few paraphrased sentences and then post them on your own personal website and attribute them to me. of course we all know that being direct and honest is one of your shortcomings.
Here are some of the issues I asked you to address: - please explain why hyperopes, who accommodate 24/7 and strain to see clearly at all distances, become less hyperopic and more myopic? they should if what you believe is true. - how come myopes who are uncorrected and just go around 24/7 seeing 20/40 or 20/50 because they don't wear any correction remain myopic, or even progress deeper into myopia? they shouldn't if what you believe is really true. it would be the same as having someone wear reading glasses constantly which is EXACTLY what you propose. - how come statistical studies, where humans are intentionally overminused, do not show acceleration in their development of myopia? you know-- staircase myopia-- just like you claim happens.
If you cannot address these simple observations with clear answers, then we must conclude that your theory is basically full of $hit.
Look Otis, decades of research has shown repeatedly that accommodation is not the controlling factor in myopia development. You apparently like to live in La La Land.
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