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Vision Clearing from -2.75 diopters to normal in < 3 yrs..

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otisbrown@pa.net - 06 Jul 2007 19:11 GMT
As you know, I advocate that a person receive eye exams.

But equally, I adovcate that they be offered the PREVENTIVE
second-opinion, before their Snellen goes below 20/50 or so.
(About -1.25 diopters.)

I have changed the name of "Mike" below, to
protect him from you-know-who.

In the 9th grade, Mike had a -2.75 diopter lens.

After reading Bates and other advocacy, he decided
ON HIS OWN to quit cold-turkey.

I offered to provide SUGGESTIONS based on Steve Leung's
advocacy.

Today he passes the DMV visual-acuity requirements
of 20/40.  He must continue using these preventive
methods through the college years, since
the un-protected eye goes DOWN at -1/3 diopter per year.

++++++++++++++++++

Dear Mike,

As you might know, I come under extreme attacks because I
advocate that you:

1. Have a medical exam (of course), but then,

2. If you wish to clear your Snellen, you must do it yourself.

There are far to many medical people who consider that
quick-fixing with a minus is PERFECT, and will not talk to you
about prevention.

I OBJECT to that general attitude.

But equally, I understand how hard it is to assert your own
"force of will" for prevention.

I will post some remarks on how to separate true "medical"
visual issues, from a negative refractive STATE for your eyes --
which you can deal with yourself. (In my opinion.)

Some more commentary:

================

Mike> I have noticed a pattern. When looking at my monitor
eye-chart the letters that I most often get wrong are letters that
can look like other letters. Like I might think a K is an X or a
C is a G or a P is an F or an O is D or an E is a B. But I don't
get letters wrong that are more unique. Like a Z.

Otis> The Snellen was a SIMPLIFICATION of a means to quickly
determine if you had 1 minute-of-arc resolution.
(Cameras, and astronomy issues).

Otis> An eye with a good retina, and a positive refractive STATE
will have resolution (visual acuity) on that order. It is
clear that some letters are "easier" than others, but the
intention is that you get the "average", or read 1/2
letters correctly (just to be consistent, for yourself and
others).

Mike> I was looking through my -.5 and thought to myself how close
I am to perfect vision. I looked without it and then looked with
it and there wasn't much difference.

Otis> When clearing from -3 diopters (where you were, from "cold
turkey"), then getting to 20/60 or better was critical.
Going about 20/40, is much MORE DIFFICULT. 20/20 by ALL
STANDARDS is very, very sharp vision. You will see a lot
of detail -- that you NEVER saw before when you had a -3
diopter "prescription".

Mike> Concerning OD prevention with the plus.

Mike>  Also I don't really see why prevention couldn't be
profitable.

Otis> I wish it could be. In fact, I endorse PAYING an OD for
this type of advice. As a practical matter, only one OD
will actually help it.

www.chinamyopia.org

Otis> That is the reality. When I mention this on sci.med.vision,
I am told that he is a TOTAL JERK, and should be kicked
out of optometry. Further, I am told that he should be
sued for malpractice. There is a PROFOUND disincentive to
help ANYONE with plus-prevention. That is a harsh truth.

Mike>  When I think of all of the people that wear a minus that
don't really need it they just do what there OD tells them.

Otis> I have suggested to Steve that he DISCUSS these issues with
their clients, and send the person to www.myopiafree.com

Otis> If the child and parent are RECEPTIVE to vision clearing
then they could proceed -- and avoid the minus. But
nothing like this is going to happen, given the profound
hostility of the majority-opinion ODs.

Mike>  So if he said that they needed a plus they would probably
listen.

Otis> I would read my book, and the section on, the "Printer's
Son". If the parent only wants his child to see, very
VERY sharp, then the plus would seem to be a "joke" to the
parents. You know how your own parents judge your work
with the plus.

Mike>  I know that there is an instant effect of clarity if I look
through a plus at a near object. You could easily "trick" people
into thinking that there near vision is defective. Also if the
attitude was that everyone should wear a plus lens you would
include the people that pass the 20/20 line.

Otis> You are RIGHT!!! But that would required and intelligent
and INFORMED parent and child to understand WHY they must
wear the plus at the threshold. Tragically, most people
are either not that "smart", or do not care about their
distant vision to do anything about it. But if YOU DO,
then YOU can do something about it.

Mike>  It would seem to me that if the ODs advocated prevention they
would increase profits not lose them.

Otis> That remains an open question. So far I get endless
hostility against BOTH the concept and the implementation
of it. For now, you have to stand alone and do what you
can for yourself.

Mike>  Through my time using the plus I have learned how to tell
what other people's focal states are as well. If I look at their
glasses while there wearing them I can tell if they are wearing a
plus or a minus and the relative strength of the lens.

Otis> Excellent! A course in physics and science will help you
understand these issues.

Mike>  I told you that so I can tell you this. When I was at a
store I passed a little kid and his mom pushing him in the cart.
The kid must not have been over 5 years old and he was wearing
glasses.

Mike>  However I could tell that he was wearing plus lenses of about
+2. I have seen very little kids wearing glasses and all of them
have been wearing pluses. Further proof that all people are born
with positive focal states.

Otis> Absolutely! But these "pluses" are prescribed because that
positive refractive STATE is considered and "error", that
must be "fixed" with the plus. The concept is profoundly
different. But you are right, the doctor can prescribe
the plus -- but the parents MUST understand the reason and
goals for doing so.

Mike> I was thinking back to the first time I was found not to pass
the 20/20 line. My little sister and I were getting an exam
before school started I was about 10 or 11 and she was 6 or 7. I
was found to be nearsighted and she was found to be farsighted.

Otis> Most REASONABLE ODs will measure a positive refractive STATE
(and 20/20) and NEVER prescribe a plus. A positive
refractive STATE is (tragically) called "farsighted", and
considered an error or defect for that reason. In fact it
is very valuable in a young child.

Mike>  Come to think of it I don't think I had ever had an eye
examination before the age of about 9 or 10. I wonder what would
have happened if I had been tested at age 6 or 7.

Otis> Your refractive STATE would have been about +1/2 to 0.0
diopters -- as a reasonable estimate.

Maybe I would have been "farsighted" and maybe I would not be
in this situation right now.

Otis> If your refractive STATE were zero, (i.e., 20/20, but a +1/2
would blur the 20/20 line, then your OD or MD should have
SUGGESTED the use of the plus at that time. But your
mother simply would not have "understood", so NO OD OR MD
WILL EVEN BOTHER.

Mike>  I have told my little sister how lucky she is. She reads a
lot. I told her that if she had waited until about the time I was
tested about 10 or 11 she would have probably been nearsighted.

Mike> But what has happened has happened and nothing can change
that. I can only control what I do now.

Otis> That is exactly "it". You think that "third parties" can
help you. They can in a crude sense with an
over-prescribed minus lens. But, for personal issues like
this, only you can help yourself.

Otis> I do not see any other way to do it.

Otis

Mike
Dr Judy - 06 Jul 2007 20:42 GMT
On Jul 6, 2:11 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
I
> I advocate that you:
>
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>
> I OBJECT to that general attitude.

As we have told you for years, as soon as you provide human clinical
trial evidence that prevention is possible then doctors will discuss
it with patients.

Still waiting for evidence.....

Dr Judy
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 07 Jul 2007 04:42 GMT
On Jul 6, 2:11 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> As you know, I advocate that a person receive eye exams.

but then you advocate that the person ignor any and all advise from
the doctor who gives him the exam and instead you suggest that they
wear plus lenses instead.  you really should be clear about what you
advocate otis.

> But equally, I adovcate that they be offered the PREVENTIVE
> second-opinion, before their Snellen goes below 20/50 or so.
> (About -1.25 diopters.)

do you realize that 20/50 acuity can be caused by a multitude of
problems, e.g. astigmatism, amblyopia, hyperopia, cataracts, corneal
scarring, retinal pathology, etc.?

> I offered to provide SUGGESTIONS based on Steve Leung's
> advocacy.

quit tip-toeing around the truth.  you gave him medical advise.

> Today he passes the DMV visual-acuity requirements
> of 20/40.

well that sucks.  20/40 is blurry. and furthermore 20/40 is not very
different from 20/50 which is his starting point after all your
therapy.  not much of an effect, right otis?

> He must continue using these preventive
> methods through the college years, since
> the un-protected eye goes DOWN at -1/3 diopter per year.

bullshit.  you can't read and understand data can you Otis?  a
subgroup of patients termed progressive myopes develop myopia at this
rate, not the whole population or the average of the whole population.

you are a simpleton thinker otis.  I truly doubt that you ever were an
engineer.
spammer - 07 Jul 2007 23:59 GMT
On Jul 6, 11:42 pm, p.clar...@gmail.com wrote:

> you are a simpleton thinker otis.  I truly doubt that you ever were an
> engineer.

I think he was. For the choo-choo trains in his parents' basement.
otisbrown@pa.net - 08 Jul 2007 19:26 GMT
Otis> Mike further discusses his work to clear from 20/200 to 20/30.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Otis,

Subject: Clear 20/30

Mike> As for my visual accuity before using the plus by what my
standards are today i.e. no squinting. I guess I would have
20/200 or worse (my eye chart only went to 20/200.) I had done
research and I did know that 20/200 was legal blindness but I just
couldn't accept how much my vision had deteriorated. I did not
want to be LEGALLY BLIND.

Mike>  I am a huge football fan and I love large 4th quarter
comeback from behind victories and seeing as how my "4th quarter"
started out at 20/200 -2.75 I can't help but feel like I am in
one.

Mike>  In helping Morgan I have had to think back about when I
started out using the plus lens. Functioning with legal
blindness. Things that I did that helped. It made me remember an
excersize that I had forgotten about. I printed off an eyechart
that has this pattern on it (l:l:l:) I wear my pluses and just try
to make things clear. Long story short I have gone to a pretty
clear 20/40 to a halfways clear 20/30 to a clear 20/30 and a
halfways clear 20/25 within 5 days.

Mike>  My dad once told me a story that went like this. A scientist
fed two dogs. Before he fed them he rang a bell. He did this
every time he fed them for about a year. Then he took them into a
lab and rang the bell and the dogs started salivating. They were
drooling pretty good. They had a physiological response to a bell
being rung.

Mike>  I have used this idea in my use of the plus. Every time I do
something that brings about better vision such as using the plus I
memorize what my eyes felt like at the time. Then I look at an
eyechart and try to make them feel the same way.

Mike>  I have been told that you cannot volentarily focus your eyes
but I think I can to an extent. Today I looked at a blurry 20/30
like usual and I thought of what my eyes felt like with a plus on
them. I consiously tried to make them feel like that and I saw
20/30 get clear. I actually managed to pass 20/25 without
squinting but 20/20 is still out of reach. I know that this
cannot be a result of my pupil because I did the same thing in
darkness (clear 20/30).

Mike>  One thing that I noticed was that after getting 20/30 into
focus I tested myself 7 hours later and the 20/30 held.

Mike>  As you said before everyone has there own understanding that
makes sense to them but not to everyone else. I understand whats
happening. I don't know how clearly this is to understand for you
but to me it makes perfect sense.

Mike

(As always, Mike's name has been changed to protect
him from harassment by you-know-who.)

++++++++++++++

On Jul 6, 2:11 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> As you know, I advocate that a person receive eye exams.
>
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>
> Mike
Neil Brooks - 08 Jul 2007 21:45 GMT
>Otis> Mike further discusses his work to clear from 20/200 to 20/30.

[ssssnip]

Hey.  An unverifiable, third-hand anecdote from Uncle Otie.

What a shocker.

WFC?
Dr Judy - 08 Jul 2007 22:45 GMT
On Jul 8, 2:26 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> Otis> Mike further discusses his work to clear from 20/200 to 20/30.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> couldn't accept how much my vision had deteriorated. I did not
> want to be LEGALLY BLIND.

Otis:

Since we don't know who "Mike" is and can't contact him, perhaps you
could pass on this message of reassurance:

Mike:  Legal blindness is 20/200 WITH GLASSES.   As long as your
vision is better than 20/200 WITH GLASSES, you are not blind.   Legal
blindness results from eye disease, myopia is not a cause of
blindness.

Thanks.
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 08 Jul 2007 23:44 GMT
Dear Otis "Cut and Run" Brown:

please explain to us why uncorrected hyperopes, who strain to see at
distance and near 24/7, do not develop into myopes, or a least become
less hyperopic.

while you are at it, why not explain why uncorrected myopes, who are
essentially wearing weak reading glasses 24/7, do not become less
myopic overtime but instead oftentimes become even more myopic.

And how can you explain why children who have been intentionally
overminused do not become more myopic than children who have not been
overminused.  I thought you told us that staircase myopia would cause
their refractive error to increase.

And why did your very own neice, Joy, whom you harassed into following
your crackpot recommendations of wearing the "preventative plus" still
turn out to be myopic and now has a rescrti,

just answer the questions and don't revert to another raphaelson story
or another lie about a famous eye doctor that you were friends with
who told you what a genius you really are.  Just face it Otis, you are
no Galileo.  You are just a washed up old retired sanitary engineer
who has an axe to grind because you couldn't qualify to be a jet pilot
like you wanted to be because you had thick glasses (you wouldn't have
made it anyway).
otisbrown@pa.net - 11 Jul 2007 14:34 GMT
The Majority-opinion is that the minus works and is
wonderful.

The Second-opinion is that, it is a "necessary" evil.

Here Mike (name changed to protect him from
you-know-who) discusses his successful efforts
to clear his Snellen to pass the DMV Legal
requirements.

Enjoy,

Otis

++++++++++++

Dear Mike,

Re: Mike cleared his vision from -2.75 dipoters, 20/200, to pass
all LEGAL DMV visual acuity requirements -- by his own
efforts with a plus lens and other methods.

Statement: What a powerful and effective vision-clearing success
you have accomplished.

I ALWAYS HOPE that the person I talk to will "get the
idea".

And you have done so -- to your own credit.

Given the basic data you provided, a refractive STATE of
-2.75 diopters, and a current STATE of -0.75 diopters, you have
gotten your natural eyes to change by +2 diopters in about two
years.

The base-line data for kids in a "school" environment, is
-1/2 diopters AVERAGE. Thus, while you would have gone DOWN by -1
diopters, you instead went up by +2 diopters.

That is a profound success, given the majority-opinion that
even PREVENTION IS IMPOSSIBLE.

I always say prevention, because I understand that
vision-clearing is a two step process.

1. To SLOWLY get to 20/40 (pass all the REASONABLE DMV tests),
and

2. To SUSTAIN THE SUCCESS you have achieved, of 20/40 or better.

Part 2 is more important that Part 1 -- in my opinion.

I know your parents do not "approve" of what you are doing,
and your friends will not have a "clue" about what you are doing.

But you have achieved an "impossible" success -- by any
standard.

More commentary:

==============

Mike>  Otis,

Mike> You mentioned that my eyes would have gone down an
additional -4 diopters throughout college. -4 minus my
-2.75 would equal -6.75.

Otis> These numbers (-1/2 diopter per year) are average -- of
course. You might have gone down to -8 diopters, or
perhaps only -5 diopters. But you would have been blind
without the minus, and would have had to wear it 16/7.

Mike> That just so happens to be my mothers exact focal state and
she went to a 4 year college. I looked on her contacts box
and it said -6.75. I guess I have her genes when it comes
to adaptability of the eyes.

Otis> Yes, and you also have her intelligence, which you wisely
used to come to grips with this problem. You have been
insightful about these issues -- to you personal advantage.

Mike> Concerning Neil Brooks and other Majority opinion holders:

Mike> It does not phase me a bit to have criticism. You forget
that I live with 4 people like that.

Otis> So did I. My father, my mother, and my sister. But they
RESPECTED my curiosity -- even though they did not
understand it, and the reasons for it.

Mike> To simply have someone write up an e mail criticizing me is
actually a much easier thing to deal with then your own
immediate family.

Otis> Yes, when my family thought badly of me -- THAT HURT. But
then there were people like Raphaelson who had a "vision"
of how a preventive future could exist -- and that helped
ease the "hurt".

Mike> One benefit to living with criticism on a regular basis from
people that close to you is that you develop a very thick
skin. Like water off a ducks back.

Otis> I know it is tough. But I saw Raphaelson "stand tall" and
fight, and so I had to do the same thing he did.

Mike> Concerning Ortho K

Mike> To me ortho K is perfect for many people out there. It is
expensive so it makes the OD happy and you get naked eye
20/20 or better so the customer is happy.

Otis> That is exactly it. If a person is in a "hurry" to get to
20/20 or better, then Ortho-K can change your refractive
STATE by +2 diopters. The slower way is indeed continued
use of the plus. That is why I had you determine your
refractive STATE yourself. I also wanted you to understand
that 20/40 is a profound SUCCESS, and that you should not
be discouraged because further clearing is VERY SLOW. You
are a profound success NOW.

Mike> Personally I will not use Ortho K because I think that what
I am doing is very valuable for others.

Otis> For others, but always FOR YOURSELF. I know that no one
will listen to you and me. The only person who truly
"matters" is yourself and your own judgment of these
issues. It is the quality of your mind that counts for
EVERYTHING.

Mike> I am charting new territory.

Otis> Yes you are. But the "world" will never recognize it.

Mike> From legal blindness to nearly perfect vision is a long way.

Otis> Yes, but only you know you have done it, against a
statistical back-drop of -1/2 diopter per year.

Mike> I did this without ortho K and I think I can make it the
rest of the way without it.

Otis> I think you can also. Once you pass the 20/40 line, I take
the use of the plus to be like brushing teeth on a regular
basis. You do it because you know what will happen if you
don't do it. Obviously this is another personal choice.

Mike> Concerning current visual status

Mike> Last night I couldn't sleep and got up at 11:55. I tested
my vision. It was in complete darkness. I wanted to see
if I could pass the 20/30 line. I accidentally clicked
"smaller" one too many times and got the 20/25 line. I
thought I was reading the 20/30 line but actually I was
reading the 20/25.

Mike> I read this line clearly but still no non squinting 20/20.

Otis> No-squinting 20/20 will take time. You have -0.75 to -1
diopter to "clear", and that is indeed slow. When people
"clear" as you have done, the eye "plateaus" at 20/30 and
tends to stay there for some time. This is something you
must accept. Just rejoice in your 20/40 vision, and keep
working at it.

Mike> However I tested my vision at 11:30 in the afternoon today
and it was a usual 20/40. I don't know why my vision gets
worse in the day time but gets better at night.

Otis> Variation of two or three lines is absolutely normal. Just
be prepared for it. You are now looking a SLOW clearing.

Mike> At my local drug store I was looking at plus lenses and I
found something interesting. Bifocal plus lenses. I don't
think I will get them because I don't think they are
necessary but nevertheless I thought they were interesting.

Otis> Yes -- interesting. But the simple plus is the better idea
for you -- in my opinion.

Otis> Keep up the excellent work, and keep me posted about your
thoughts. This is a learning experience for BOTH OF US --
and I enjoy the work.

Otis

Mike

++++++++++++

On Jul 8, 2:26 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> Otis> Mike further discusses his work to clear from 20/200 to 20/30.
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Neil Brooks - 11 Jul 2007 15:03 GMT
>The Majority-opinion is that the minus works and is
>wonderful.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>to clear his Snellen to pass the DMV Legal
>requirements.

[snip]

Wow.  Yet another third-hand, unverifiable anecdote from the
notoriously dishonest Otis Brown.

I'd suggest it be summarily disregarded.
Dr Judy - 12 Jul 2007 04:06 GMT
On Jul 11, 9:34 am, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:

> Mike> From legal blindness to nearly perfect vision is a long way.

Obviously you did not pass on my message to Mike.  He was never
legally blind and I requested that you inform him of what legally
blind means and why he doesn't meet the definition.

Why did you not pass on my message?  Why do you let this boy continue
to believe that he was legally blind?  Please immediately inform him
that he was never legally blind.

Dr Judy
otisbrown@pa.net - 12 Jul 2007 04:34 GMT
Dear Judy,

I did in fact pass on your message.

It is obviously that he judged that you were "nit picking"
the definition.

I said, that if he lost or broke his glasses, he would
be functionally, "blind" with no minus lens on his face.

You discredit this man's intelligence on the subject.

We BOTH know that you can place a -3 diopter lens
on a person with 20/200, and create 20/20 vision -- but
that is not the point.

The real issue is that Mike understood that the scientific
facts show that the natural eye will respond to an
applied -3 diotper lens, by changing its refractive
STATE by -2 diopters in less than six months.

But that is pure science, and NOT MEDICINE, if
you like to nit-pick.

This suggests that while the minus works, and is
impressive in five minutes, it is not, in the long-run
a "better" solution.

This is the issue that Mike understood, and took
effective actions to change his refracitve STATE
by +2 diopters in two years, thus clearing his
Snellen to meet or exceed the legal visual-acuity
requirments of the DMV.

He also understands that he will continue working with
the plus, and in time might clear off the reaming
-0.75 diopters that currently remain.

Obviously that will depend on his own understanding
and motivaiton to be successful -- the same as
Dr. Stirling Colgate was successful.

Enjoy,

Otis

> On Jul 11, 9:34 am, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Dr Judy
Neil Brooks - 12 Jul 2007 04:49 GMT
>Dear Judy,
>
>I did in fact pass on your message.
>
>It is obviously that he judged that you were "nit picking"
>the definition.

Yeah, I've noticed that with you, too, Uncle Otie.  You seem to view
being FACTUALLY INCORRECT as "others nit-picking."

Weird, huh?

>You discredit this man's intelligence on the subject.

Uh, no.  Continually trying to co-opt existing, established terms in
order to propel your hypothesis forward ... um ... tends to make you
look ... uh ... stupid.

>The real issue is that Mike understood that the scientific
>facts show that the natural eye will respond to an
>applied -3 diotper lens, by changing its refractive
>STATE by -2 diopters in less than six months.

Ah, monkey eyes again!

Here are some particularly relevant questions for you:

 www.nbeener.com/NDB_OSB_Qs.txt

Please take a few moments and answer them.  THEY are FAR more relevant
than, for example, my profession.

>But that is pure science, and NOT MEDICINE, if
>you like to nit-pick.

Actually, it's pure crap ... IF you like to nit-pick.  Ask your myopic
niece, Joy.
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 12 Jul 2007 05:21 GMT
Again Otis, you demonstrate your narrow-minded and simplistic
understanding of vision correction and vision development.

> We BOTH know that you can place a -3 diopter lens
> on a person with 20/200, and create 20/20 vision -- but
> that is not the point.

Sorry, but people can have acuities of 20/200 due to hyperopia,
astigmatism, cataracts, and many other causes.  WE do not know that a
-3.00 lens will cause a 20/200 acuity to correct to 20/20.  sorry if
that's being a little too detailed for you.  i realize you like to
simply everything

> The real issue is that Mike understood that the scientific
> facts show that the natural eye will respond to an
> applied -3 diotper lens, by changing its refractive
> STATE by -2 diopters in less than six months.

Sorry, but no such data exists.  We are talking about humans here
Otis, not monkeys who were caged and had -3.00D lenses sutured
permanently to their eyes even though they did not need any refractive
correction.  The situation you are trying to compare is a person who
actually might have a -3.00D prescription and whom you are correcting
back to emmetropia.  Apples and oranges Otis.  The monkeys didn't need
any correction while Mike apparently does (or perhaps he just has
cataracts-- but thats a detail you just ignor).  The monkeys ended up
overcorrected by 3.00 diopters while Mike presumably would not.  And
after the monkeys wore -3.00 D lenses that were not necessary to
achieve emmetropia they most likely developed reflex pseudomyopia from
being overminused.  Sorry that you probably don't understand any of
that but just suffice it to say that once again, you are proven wrong
and your attempts to extrapolate old data from monkeys to humans who
actually need the lenses to achieve normal vision is inappropriate.

> But that is pure science, and NOT MEDICINE, if
> you like to nit-pick.

what a moronic statement.  right up there with "fundamental eye" and
other blah blah that you just make up and makes no sense to anyone but
you.

> This suggests that while the minus works, and is
> impressive in five minutes, it is not, in the long-run
> a "better" solution.

i guess not if you prefer to stumple around in a blur, and fail to see
a car driving toward you while cross the street.

> This is the issue that Mike understood, and took
> effective actions to change his refracitve STATE
> by +2 diopters in two years, thus clearing his

more than likely Mike was a hyperope who actually saw more clearly
with +2.00 lenses on.
but I'm sure you just don't understand that.

> Obviously that will depend on his own understanding
> and motivaiton to be successful -- the same as
> Dr. Stirling Colgate was successful.

Vision correction is so simple for you isn't it Otis.  Everyone is
just like Stirling Colgate and your nephew Keith.  Just avoid the
wretched minus and use "the plus" and the planets will all come into
alignment.  But then there's that problem with your neice Joy who
followed your approach and still ended up myopic.  Oh well, she always
was a little weak-willed.  If she would have just tried a little
harder she could have made it.

Life is good when you are a simpleton isn't it Otis.
Dr Judy - 13 Jul 2007 05:08 GMT
On Jul 11, 11:34 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> Dear Judy,
>
> I did in fact pass on your message.
>
> It is obviously that he judged that you were "nit picking"
> the definition.

Nit picking???????

So its okay to just make up a new definition to suit your purposes?

Great.  Guess I can say I'm legally a fighter pilot after I build a
paper one and send it across the room.

Dr Judy
Kisame Hoshigaki - 13 Jul 2007 11:40 GMT
>Great.  Guess I can say I'm legally a fighter pilot after I build a
>paper one and send it across the room.

Didn't we all?

Ah, I miss the days of being a care free child...

*NEEEEEAAAAAOSWHOOOOSHKABOOM!*
 
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