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CALL FOR ABSTRACTS: Eye Care Conference at Yale

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Jennifer Staple - 04 Jul 2007 20:09 GMT
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Unite For Sight Fifth Annual International Health & Eye Care
Conference
Building Global Health For Today and Tomorrow
April 12-13, 2008
Yale University, New Haven, Connecticut
http://www.uniteforsight.org/conference/2008

Join 2,000 conference attendees and 130 speakers for a stimulating
conference.
Keynote Addresses By: Dr. Jeffrey Sachs, Dr. Sonia Sachs, Dr. Susan
Blumenthal, and Dr. Jim Yong Kim
 Plus More Than 130 Featured Speakers
Call For Abstracts - DEADLINE JULY 15, 2007 -
http://uniteforsight.org/conference/2008/abstracts.php

Register For Conference - EARLY BIRD RATE ($45 Students, $70 All
Others)  http://www.uniteforsight.org/conference/2008 REGISTER BY JULY
15th TO SECURE LOWEST RATE

Who should attend? Anyone interested in eye care, international
health, public health, international development, medicine, social
entrepreneurship, nonprofits, philanthropy, microfinance, bioethics,
anthropology, health policy, advocacy, and public service.

*Keynote Addresses*

   * Susan Blumenthal, MD, MPA, Former U.S. Assistant Surgeon
General; Senior Advisor For Health and Medicine; Former Deputy
Assistant Secretary for Women's Health, U.S. Department of Health and
Human Services; Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at Georgetown School
of Medicine and Tufts University Medical Center
   * Jim Yong Kim, MD, PhD, Co-Founder, Partners in Health; Director,
François Xavier Bagnoud Center for Health and Human Rights; François
Xavier Bagnoud Professor of Health and Human Rights, Harvard School of
Public Health; Chair, Department of Social Medicine, Harvard Medical
School; Chief of the Division of Social Medicine and Health
Inequalities, Brigham and Women's Hospital;  Former HIV/AIDS Director
at World Health Organization
   * Jeffrey Sachs, PhD, Director of Earth Institute at Columbia
University; Quetelet Professor of Sustainable Development, Professor
of Health Policy and Management, Columbia University; Special Advisor
to Secretary-General of the United Nations Ban Ki-moon
   * Sonia Sachs, MD, MPH, Health Coordinator, Millennium Villages

*130 Featured Speakers (Listed Below Are The Speakers Confirmed Thus
Far)*

   * Ted M. Alemayhu, Founder, Chairman and CEO, US Doctors For
Africa
   * Greg Allgood, PhD, Director, Children's Safe Drinking Water,
Procter & Gamble
   * R. Rand Allingham, MD, Professor of Ophthalmology; Director,
Glaucoma Service, Duke University Eye Center
   * Jared Ament, MD, MPh, Clinical Research Fellow, Ophthalmolology
& Corneal Surgery, Massachusetts Eye and Ear Infirmary, Harvard
Medical School; Harvard School of Public Health
   * Jane Aronson, MD, Director, International Pediatric Health
Services; Founder and Executive Medical Director, Worldwide Orphans
Foundation (WWO); Clinical Assistant Professor of Pediatrics, Weill
Medical College of Cornell University
   * Thomas Baah, MD, MSc, Ophthalmologist, Our Lady of Grace
Hospital, Ghana
   * Michele Barry, MD, FACP, Professor of Medicine and Global Health
Director, Office of International Health; Chief, General Medicine
Firm, Yale University School of Medicine
   * Georges Benjamin, MD, Executive Director, American Public Health
Association
   * Paul Berman, OD, FAAO, Senior Global Clinical Advisor and
Founder, Special Olympics Lions Clubs, International Opening Eyes
   * Terry Blaschke, MD, Professor of Medicine and of Molecular
Pharmacology (Active Emeritus), Stanford University School of Medicine
   * Neil Boothby, EdD, Professor of Clinical Population and Family
Health; Director, Program on Forced Migration and Health, Mailman
School of Public Health
   * Harry S. Brown, MD, Founder, Surgical Eye Expeditions (SEE)
International
   * Donald Budenz, MD, MPH, Professor of Ophthalmology,
Epidemiology, and Public Health, University of Miami Miller School of
Medicine
   * Michael Cappello, MD, Professor of Pediatrics and Epidemiology
and Public Health; Director, Program in International Child Health; Co-
Director, International Adoption Clinic, Yale University School of
Medicine
   * Emily Moore and Mark Carlson, PhD, Adjunct Professor, Sociology,
San Diego State University
   * James Clarke, MD, Ophthalmologist and Medical Director, Crystal
Eye Clinic, Ghana
   * Susan Day, MD, Chair and Program Director, Pediatric
Ophthalmology and Strabismus, California Pacific Medical Center
   * Syril Dorairaj, MD, Clinical Research Fellow, Glaucoma
Associates of New York, The New York Eye and Ear Infirmary
   * Margaret Duah-Mensah, Ophthalmic Nurse, Crystal Eye Clinic,
Ghana
   * Andy Ellner, MD, Clinton HIV/AIDS Initiative
   * Sheri Fink, MD, PhD, Kaiser Media Fellow in Global Health;
Visiting Scientist, Francois-Xavier Bagnoud Center for Health and
Human Rights, Harvard School of Public Health; Senior Fellow, Harvard
Humanitarian Initiative
   * Susan Hall Forster, MD, Associate Clinical Professor, Department
of Medical Studies, Department of Ophthalmology, Yale School of
Medicine; Chief, Ophthalmology, Yale University Health Services
   * David Friedman, MD, MPH, Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
and International Health, Johns Hopkins University
   * Urick Gaillard, JD, Founder and Executive Director, The Batey
Relief Alliance
   * Gabriel Garcia, MD, Professor of Medicine, Associate Dean of
Medical School Admissions, Stanford University School of Medicine
   * Nora Groce, PhD, Associate Professor and Director, Yale/WHO
Collaborating Centre, Global Health Division, Yale School of Public
Health
   * Michael Gyasi, MD, Ophthalmologist and Director of the Bawku Eye
Care Program, Ghana
   * Heskel M. Haddad, MD, Clinical Professor of Ophthalmology, New
York Medical College
   * Leon Herndon, MD, Associate Professor of Ophthalmology, Duke
University Eye Center
   * Ibrahim Jabr, Interim President, International Trachoma
Initiative
   * Rosemary Janiszewski, MS, CHES, Deputy Director, Office of
Communication, Health Education and Public Liaison; Director, National
Eye Health Eucation Program, National Eye Institute (NEI), National
Institutes of Health
   * Evaleen Jones, MD, Founder, President and Medical Director,
Child Family Health International; Clinical Assistant Professor,
Stanford University School of Medicine
   * Dean Karlan, PhD, President and Founder of Innovations for
Poverty Action; Assistant Professor of Economics, Yale University
   * Zachary Kaufman, MPhil in International Relations; DPhil
Candidate in International Relations, University of Oxford; JD
Candidate, Yale University Law School
   * Kaveh Khoshnood, PhD, Assistant Professor in Public Health
Practice, Division of Epidemiology of Microbial Diseases, Yale School
of Public Health
   * Doug Lawrence, Vice President/General Manager, BD Medical -
Ophthalmic Systems
   * Fiona Macaulay, President, Making Cents International
   * Carolyn Makinson, PhD, Executive Director, Women's Commission
for Refugee Women and Children
   * Tshepo Mbalambi, BSc, Med Sci, MBcHB Candidate, University of
Ghana School of Medicine
   * John McGoldrick, Senior Vice President, International AIDS
Vaccine Initiative (IAVI)
   * Christine Melton, MD, MS, Friends of Aravind Association
   * Mini Murthy, MD, MPH, MS, Assistant Professor, Department of
Behavioral Science and Community Health, Program Director Global
Health, New York Medical College School of Public Health
   * Neal Nathanson, MD, Associate Dean, Global Health Programs,
University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine
   * Thomas Novotny, MD, MPH, Director of International Programs;
Professor in Residence, Epidemiology and Biostatistics, UCSF School of
Medicine
   * Edward O'Neil Jr, MD, Founder, Omni Med; Author, Awakening
Hippocrates: Primer on Health, Poverty, and Global Service, and A
Practical Guide to Global Health Service
   * Cliff OCallahan, MD, PhD, Pediatric Faculty, Middlesex Hospital
Family Practice Program; Chair, AAP Section on International Child
Health
   * Adeyemi Oshodi, PATH
   * Elijah Paintsil, MD, Associate Research Scientist, Department of
Pediatrics, Yale School of Medicine
   * Matthew Paul, MD, Danbury Eye Physicians and Surgeons
   * Steven C. Phillips, MD, MPH, Medical Director, Global Issues and
Projects, Exxon Mobil Corporation
   * Louis Pizzarello, MD, MPH, Secretary General, International
Agency for the Prevention of Blindness
   * Thomas Quinn, MD, Director, Johns Hopkins Center for Global
Health
   * Nathan Radcliffe, MD, Glaucoma Service at New York Eye & Ear
Infirmary
   * Ian Rawson, MD, CEO/Directeur General, Hopital Albert Schweitzer
Haiti
   * William Reese, President and CEO, International Youth Foundation
   * Ilya Rozenbuam, MD, GANY Glaucoma Fellow, New York Eye and Ear
Institute
   * Leonard Rubenstein, Executive Director, Physicians for Human
Rights
   * Jennifer Ruger, PhD, MSc, Assistant Professor, Division of
Global Health, Yale School of Public Health; Co-Director of the Yale/
World Health Organization (WHO) Collaborating Centre for Health
Promotion, Policy and Research; Interdisciplinary Research Methods
Core Investigator, Center for Interdisciplinary Research on AIDS
   * Lisa Russell, MPH, Filmmaker
   * Sarwat Salim, MD, Ophthalmologist
   * Sarang Samal, Kalinga Eye Hospital, Orissa, India
   * Georgia Sambunaris, MA
   * Werner Schultink, MD, Chief Child Development and Nutrition,
UNICEF
   * Chirag Shah, MD, Chief Resident, Wills Eye Hospital
   * Bruce Shields, MD, Professor of Ophthalmology, Chairman
Emeritus, Department of Ophthalmology, Yale University School of
Medicine
   * Satyajit Sinha, MBBS, Ophthalmologist, AB Eye Institute, Patna,
India
   * D. Scott Smith, MD, MSc, DTM&H, Chief of Infectious Disease and
Geographic Medicine, Kaiser Redwood City Hospital
   * Eliot Sorel, MD, D.L.F.A.P.A. Global Health, Health Services
Management, and Leadership, The George Washington University School of
Public Health; Psychiatry & Behavioral Sciences School of Medicine,
GWU; Chairman, Founder, Conflict Management Section WPA
   * Kari Stoever, Senior Program Officer, Neglected Tropical
Diseases, Sabin Vaccine Institute
   * Glenn Strauss, MD, Vice President of International Health Care
and Programs, Mercy Ships, Int'l
   * Robert Farris Thompson, PhD, Col. John Trumbull Professor of the
History of Art, Yale University
   * Jamie Lachman and Tim Cunningham, Clowns Without Borders
   * James C. Tsai, MD, Chair, Department of Ophthalmologist, Yale
University School of Medicine
   * Satya Verma, OD, FAAO, Director, Community Eye Care,
Pennsylvania College of Optometry
   * Seth Wanye, MD, Ophthalmologist, Eye Clinic of Tamale Teaching
Hospital, Ghana
   * Gavin Yamey, MD, MRCP, Senior Editor, PLoS Medicine; Consulting
Editor, PLoS Neglected Tropical Diseases
Neil Brooks - 04 Jul 2007 21:46 GMT
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>Yale University, New Haven, Connecticut
>http://www.uniteforsight.org/conference/2008

And there you go, Uncle Otie: a perfect opportunity to have your case
heard by a willing audience of eye care professionals.

Or would you rather just sit back and launch falsehoods, accusations,
lies, myths, accusations, and faulty logic from behind your keyboard??
otisbrown@pa.net - 05 Jul 2007 02:33 GMT
For your information:

In fact papers have been submitted -- AND REJECTED -- concerning
the second-opinion, that a negative refractive STATE of
the fundamental eye can be prevented.

Dr. Maurice Brumer did exactly that, but since his
concept was HATED, his analysis was rejected.

Here is part of his review.  I doubt that these people
have the GUTS to begin a discussion along these
lines.

Been there -- done that.

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A COURAGEOUS EYE DOCTOR DOCUMENTS THE SECONDARY EFFECT OF USING A
NEGATIVE LENS

EYESTRAIN - ITS CAUSES, CONSEQUENCES AND TREATMENT

By Dr. Maurice Brumer, Frankston, 3199, Australia

. . . A succession of practicing optometrists have followed Fournet [a
pioneer in the use of the plus lens] to this day, all convinced of
this major shortcoming [use of a negative lens] in eye care. They have
all been successfully ignored or treated as cranks and heretics, and
the issue has remained at this level for 90 years. The clarion cry of
the eye care professions has been "show us proof of the relationship
of eyestrain and eye disease". I will now demonstrate that no shortage
of this proof exists.

At the 1973 annual meeting of the American Academy of Optometry, a
paper entitled, "Bifocal Control of Myopia", was presented by Francis
Young, Director of the Primate Research Center at Washington State
University, and Kenneth Oakley, an ophthalmologist from Bend, Oregon.
Their study found that the effects of properly fitted bifocals (eye
strain reducing glasses) on young myopes are to drop the rate of
progression of this condition from an average of about one half a
diopter per year to about on fortieth of a diopter per year. This
study involved control and experimental subjects who were matched for
age, sex, initial refractive error and duration of wearing bifocals so
that most of the possible causes of failure to achieve results with
bifocals were controlled.

THE BIFOCAL (PLUS LENS) STUDY

There was a significant number of subjects, 226 in the bifocal group
and 192 in the control group, to assure that the results were
consistent and effective over time. The effect of the bifocal was
uniformly to reduce the rate of progression even in children who had
already achieved as much as 4 or 5 diopters of myopia before they were
fitted with bifocals. In other words, the control group moved into
myopia at a rate 20 times faster than the bifocal (plus lens) group.
The implications of such results are obvious and sinister when it is
considered that myopia is the third largest cause of blindness in
western society.

SERIOUS COMPLICATIONS DEVELOP FROM USING A MINUS LENS

The visual disability in high myopia is usually considerable. I am
including this description of the condition as felt by its victims so
that you may put yourself in their situation:

Apart from the visual incapacity, the high myope is not usually
comfortable in the use of his eyes. When corrected, the small, sharply
defined and bright images are annoying; much use of the eyes brings
about a feeling of strain and fatigue. The degenerated and liquefied
vitreous gives rise to a multitude of "muscae volitantes" and floating
opacities, and these, throwing abnormally large images upon the retina
owing to its backward displacement, cause a great deal of distress and
anxiety to the patient although their actual significance is small.
Most of these patients are naturally anxious. Their disability is
obvious and may have excited sympathy. The memory of admonitions to
care for the eyes lingers into adult life. Thus matters tend to
progress slowly and relentlessly, the patient all the while never
using his eyes with comfort or without anxiety until finally no useful
vision may remain or until the occurrence of a sudden calamity such as
a gross macular lesion, a hemorrhage of a retinal detachment brings
about a more dramatic crisis. (I thank Sir Stewart Duke-Elder for this
description).

The complications of myopia are numerous and grave, frequently
resulting in blindness. The degenerative changes appear typically in
adult life after the myopia has been fully established for some
years.

The complications are:

Choroidal thrombosis and hemorrhage.

Vitreous opacity, always present in some degree in high myopia, this
condition may suddenly increase to become a serious complication.

Retinal detachment is the most dreaded and one of the most common
complications of myopia, occurring with considerable frequency in  all
degrees of the defect but showing a progressively greater tendency,
the higher the myopia.

Simple glaucoma is a further complication of high myopia, occurring
in the higher degrees after mid-life.

THESE PROBLEMS COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED

Few of these people faced with the prospect of blindness in old age
realize that their problems actually began in childhood when they were
fitted with their first pair of corrective [negative] lenses by
someone who was probably unconcerned about the tragic, long-term
results of that action. Few of these people realize how their
situation became more precarious each time their glasses were
strengthened and nothing was said about prevention. Now, when it is
too late for prevention, they find themselves in the hands of surgeons
who are making their living from someone else's mistakes by trying to
patch up steadily deteriorating retinas. The patient has become a
lifelong victim of ignorance and exploitation.

THE EYE CHANGES FROM A POSITIVE STATE TO A NEGATIVE STATE AS A RESULT
OF CLOSE WORK

The cause of myopia is further clearly indicated in a study of 1200
Eskimos in Barrow, Alaska, published in the American Journal of
Optometry in September, 1969, which showed that in one generation of
the Eskimo population had moved from no myopia to approximately 65%
myopia among the offspring, and that neither the grandparents nor
parents over 40 had any myopia.

Thus the first generation between grandparents and parents was similar
in that myopia was nonexistent, but in the second generation between
the parents and their children, suddenly myopia occurs in a
surprisingly high number of children. As a matter of fact, of 53
offspring who were in their early 20's, 88% had myopia. Such a sudden
and great degree of change cannot readily be accounted for on the
basis of heredity, especially when there has been no identifiable
force which could have brought about this obviously considerable
mutation in the genetic composition of the offspring.

The obvious difference between the parents and the children is the
amount of near work which is currently being done by the children.
About the time of the second World War, the white man intruded into
their lives, requiring the development of education among a population
which was uneducated and illiterate. The Eskimo has become an avid
reader because of his environment. While he spends a great deal of
time out-of-doors in the warmer, daylight summer months, he spends
relatively little time out- of-doors in the cold, dark winter months.

A MASSIVE BODY OF EVIDENCE SHOWS THAT THE EYE CHANGES ITS FOCAL STATE
TO MATCH ITS VISUAL ENVIRONMENT

In presenting these studies, I would emphasize that these represent
only a small (even if spectacular) part of the evidence available
today which demonstrates the blindness and suffering caused by present-
day eye care. While continuing to ignore a massive body of evidence,
the eye care professions continue to ask to be shown proof that myopia
results from excessive close work and that the prescription of
corrective lenses causes the myopia to increase more rapidly that it
otherwise should. It is assumed from the start that the burden of
proof is on us and that we are expected to raise money and conduct
endless studies that will somehow convince everyone that we are right.
In many cases, this is like trying to convince a tobacco company
executive that smoking causes lung cancer. No amount of testing will
convince those people who prefer to believe what pleases them most or
what is more lucrative to them. . . .

[Dr. Brumer reviewed an exchange of letters with a Dr. Lender (a
university optometrist) concerning disagreement about the fundamental
behavior characteristic of the eye under experimental test
conditions.]

. . . These letters represent a desperate attempt to cover up a tragic
and horrible situation. They mislead the public and, significantly,
the parliament of my country. They have been unsuccessful in their
purpose, however, and the question now lies on notice in the
parliament in Canberra to the Minister of Health for Dr. Klugman
(opposition spokesman for health) asking him to appoint an inquiry
into the matters I have raised.

THE EYE PROFESSION RESISTS CHANGE -- TO YOUR DETRIMENT

The eye care professions have resisted change irrationally and
fearfully, unwilling to admit that what has gone on before [the use of
a negative lens] has been wrong and harmful, and by doing so they have
unleashed on the public they serve a cataract of horror. This
continued situation is a tragedy for the public and a disgrace for
optometry. While it is understandable that optometrists will not find
it easy to admit that what they have been doing is wrong and harmful,
especially for those academic university optometrists responsible for
the education of our graduates, to preserve the current horrors to
protect our professional prestige and privilege is an abdication of
our responsibilities, ethics and morality. I can make no apology for
causing embarrassment to my professional colleagues. The interests of
the public are paramount and must be served. The purpose of this paper
is to direct the future to end the disgrace of the past.

REMARKS ON DR. MAURICE BRUMER'S PAPER

Dr. Brumer had previously been denied permission to present his paper
at the August, 1977 Australian and New Zealand Association for the
Advancement of Science (ANZAAS) Congress because it was too critical
of the prevailing method of eye care. The above paper is of interest
because of Dr. Maurice Brumer's scientific and ethical commitment to:

Coming to grips with nearsightedness. (i.e., The fundamental  behavior
characteristic of the eye.)
The reaction of other members of his profession. (Extremely  critical
-- without clear scientific justification.)
The reaction of the public to Dr. Brumer's effort to come to grips
with the situation. (Nonexistent -- because the public was not clearly
informed.)
The fact that this understanding (that the plus lens works) existed
in 1977, and since then, nothing further has been done to provide
pilots with the high quality information they need so that they can
take  the steps that are necessary to preserve their distant vision
for life.

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otisbrown@pa.net - 05 Jul 2007 02:38 GMT
But of course, these people will ALWAYS EXCLUDE
anything that causes them "discomfort".

After all, when Dr. Bates complained that his SUGGESTED
methods of vision-clearing were wise, they IGNORED
his suggestions and FIRED HIS a.s.

I have no doubt that he would receive the same reaction
today.

Here is some review by Don Rehm.

It would be nice if Mr. Rehm were invited to present
his concept of PREVENTION.

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THE INTERNATIONAL MYOPIA PREVENTION ASSOCIATION
From, "THE MYOPIA MYTH", by Donald Rehm

In 1974 Donald Rehm established an organization to help parents
understand and take steps to help their children avoid myopia. He
prepared a book that clarifies the various preventive methods
available for myopia -- and the reaction of most of the profession to
his efforts. Donald describes his effort to persuade the profession to
provide you with exact knowledge of the eye so that you might capably
choose between these mutually exclusive alternatives.

. . . Since the organizations in the eye care field were telling the
public nothing about the true cause of myopia, the idea of forming an
organization devoted solely to myopia began to seem more and more
necessary. The final decision about forming a myopia prevention
organization was made at the 1974 Annual Congress of the American
Optometric Association in Washington, D. C.

An important part of such meetings takes place on a large floor where
booths can be rented to exhibit optical goods, hand out literature,
etc. I rented a booth to give out literature on the latest research on
myopia and ways of preventing it. I found that the booth was for the
most part ignored by most of the optometrists, although an adjoining
booth, where the tinting of eyeglasses was being demonstrated, was
usually crowded.

It was obvious that the people to whom we must go with our vision
problems were more interested in tinting lenses than in saving sight.
They were ignoring everything that had to do with myopia prevention.
It was quite clear that pleading with the members of the eye care
professions to change their ways was not going to succeed. They would
have to be forced to change, and this would occur only after the
public was well informed about the real causes and solutions to the
problem of myopia.

In 1974, I therefore formed a nonprofit, tax-exempt Pennsylvania
corporation, the International Myopia Prevention Association. One of
the first tasks I undertook was the publication of a twelve page
booklet, The Prevention of Acquired Myopia. This booklet, which was
meant for distribution to the public, contained information on the
real cause of myopia and what methods were available to prevent it. No
booklet of this type had ever been published previously. In the
booklet, I also stated the aims of the new organization:

To work for the widespread acceptance of the concept, now supported by
numerous studies and research, that acquired myopia is caused by
excessive close work and is not an inherited condition.
To inform the public, in an impartial manner, about the various
methods available for preventing and controlling myopia.
To promote periodic testing of the vision of children so that the
potential and beginning myopes can be found early when treatment is
most effective.
To promote the use of proper reading habits and adequate lighting in
schools, homes and offices.
To maintain a register of eye care practitioners who are interested in
myopia prevention and skilled in its techniques. *
To assist the public in coming into contact with these practitioners.
*
To issue a periodic publication to provide a summary of activities and
new knowledge in this field.
To maintain an advisory board of scientists, researchers, educators,
optometrists and ophthalmologists who are involved with the myopia
problem and can advise on the activities of the association.
To solicit contributions to carry on educational and scientific
activities related to myopia prevention." *
As the formation of IMPA was announced in various optometric journals
(it was ignored by the medical journals), I began to receive letters
from doctors around the country expressing their interest in the new
organization. The response was greater than I had anticipated and
indicated clearly that there did exist an unfilled need for leadership
in the area. . .
* In a later publication Donald Rehm sadly concluded, "We no longer
try to maintain a list of prevention minded eye doctors since there
are so few of them."

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otisbrown@pa.net - 05 Jul 2007 03:11 GMT
And after the symposium, over wine and cheese,
we could review the following topics
suggested by Mr. Rehm:

THE SCHOOLS OF OPTOMETRY AND OPHTHALMOLOGY
which create the ill-educated "experts" who are turned loose on a
trusting and unsuspecting public. These schools accept a steady stream
of money from the optical industry in the form of "research" grants
and other contributions, thus insuring that they will do nothing to
upset their benefactors.

As only one example of how the optical industry uses its money to keep
the optometric schools under its control, visit the official website
of the Schools of Optometry at opted.org and click on Corporate
Contributors. Note that even Wal-Mart, the world's biggest retailer,
adds its contribution. The deans of these schools, as well as the
heads of ophthalmology departments at medical schools, may as well be
on the payroll of the optical industry. ALL of the deans at the 17
optometric schools have refused to answer our request for a dialog on
myopia prevention.

PERPETUAL RESEARCHERS

who spend their lives applying for research grants and producing
worthless research results in order to further their careers. They
have no interest in solving the myopia tragedy because then the
research money would dry up.

Although methods to prevent myopia are already known, they always
claim, "More research is needed."

Examples of this mindless research mania can be found on sites by
Karla Zadnik at the Ohio State University College of Optometry and
Christine Wildsoet at the University of California at Berkeley School
of Optometry.

Somehow it never occurs to these people to merely put a strong plus
lens on children for all close work, to totally eliminate focusing
effort. Every year, such people meet at an International Myopia
Conference to present their totally irrelevant, self-glorifying
research.

Look at the nonsensical research topics covered at the 3-day
International Myopia Conference in Singapore in August, 2006. While
they play their games, the vision of the world's children continues to
be destroyed.

EYE "CARE" ORGANIZATIONS
such as Prevent Blindness America, American Optometric Assn., American
Academy of Ophthalmology, Intl. Council of Ophthalmology, etc. They
disseminate vision "information" to the public but are dominated by
eye doctors and financed by the optical industry. They perpetuate the
myth of inherited myopia and deny the dangers of minus lenses.

OUR SCHOOLS

which teach our children to read but take no interest in ways to
prevent this from destroying their vision. In the words of one Florida
school district, "Currently, we partner with Lens Crafters, Prevent
Blindness and The Lions Club. These groups are very generous in
proving optometrical services as well as glasses to students who
either failed their vision examination or demonstrate visual
problems." The optical industry clearly has gotten its money and its
viewpoint into our schools, insuring that they will not tell parents
the truth. This makes the schools part of the conspiracy. For more on
what schools should be telling parents and students, see
preventmyopia.org/schoolprogram.

THE MEDIA
which never mention the subject of myopia prevention. Their only
interest is pleasing their advertisers and making maximum profits. If
they had any concern for the people of the world, they could expose
and end this tragedy almost overnight.

The common link between these people is not science or compassion, but
GREED. With such a formidable group telling the same lies to the
public, where can anyone find the truth? On this website, of course,
with over 60 pages of information you won't get from any eye doctor.
For these groups to join forces to create hundreds of millions of
crippled children is as despicable an act as most of us will encounter
in our lifetimes. They are truly an "Axis of Evil." Everything on this
website is true. You don't believe this? You don't WANT to believe it?
Read further and judge for yourself

=============

Jeeze, I wonder if these people at Yale would have the
guts to invite Mr. Rehm to speak?

Or present a paper?

What are the odds of that happening?

I guess Rehm does not get invited to the wine and
cheese reception after all.

On Jul 4, 9:38 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> But of course, these people will ALWAYS EXCLUDE
> anything that causes them "discomfort".
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>
> - Show quoted text -
otisbrown@pa.net - 05 Jul 2007 03:43 GMT
And of course Dr. Stirling Colgate should speak,
as part of a second-opinion presentation, as
endorcing Steve Leung.  See:

http://www.geocities.com/otisbrown17268/SAColgate.html

But, I am certain the "committee" will figure out a
way to dis-invite him to speak also -- since he
was successful in clearing his vision back
to 20/20, after inducing a negative refractive STATE
in his eyes.

It would be nice if these people had something
approaching an "open mind" on the subject
of the natural eye's dynamic behavior.  But no
one wants to "disturb" the traditional can
conventional "thinking" of the last 100 years, now
do they?

On Jul 4, 10:11 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> And after the symposium, over wine and cheese,
> we could review the following topics
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Neil Brooks - 05 Jul 2007 02:45 GMT
>For your information:
>
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>
>Been there -- done that.

[snip]

Present it to the doctors at the conference, Uncle Otie.

Nobody here agrees with you.

The overwhelming majority of us find you laughable, ridiculous, and
likely senile.

You've presented not one single new piece of information in years. You
don't discuss.  You simply preach.

So ... tell it to somebody who cares .... and/or answer these
questions:

 www.nbeener.com/NDB_OSB_Qs.txt
Kakuzu - 05 Jul 2007 12:31 GMT
> [snip]
>
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> The overwhelming majority of us find you laughable, ridiculous, and
> likely senile.

Funny how you call him senile, yet you are always engaging him in
discussion. Doesn't that pretty much sink you down to his
'pathological' level, eh Neil? What happened to your promise, Neil?

> You've presented not one single new piece of information in years. You
> don't discuss.  You simply preach.

You simply feed the troll!

> So ... tell it to somebody who cares .... and/or answer these
> questions:
>
>  www.nbeener.com/NDB_OSB_Qs.txt

Wasn't it you who said this, Neil?

"Though it may pain me, and test my resolve, I
shan't engage this troll.

Please join me in this effort.  Please allow Rishi's (and Otis's)
words to echo in the cosmos, unanswered.  Eventually, they /will/ go
away.

If /I/ can do it, . . . .

Neil "

So why are you, after 3 years, still engaging the troll?
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 05 Jul 2007 12:25 GMT
On Jul 4, 9:33 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> For your information:
>
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>
> read more »

otis,  i believe neil brooks suggested that you use the announced
meeting to present data to support your point of view about
myopiagenesis.  it appears that your reply basically was "no-- because
someone submitted an abstract to a meeting once a long time ago and it
was rejected.  you guys will never listen and are a bunch of jerks".
i am paraphrasing of course but thats basically what your reply was.

so lets go back to the original point.  why don't you, or as qualified
a member of your so called "second-opinion" group as there is, submit
an abstract to THIS meeting that is scheduled at Yale.  i'm sorry that
Dr. Brumer's abstract was rejected at some meeting long ago but that
doesn't mean that one would be rejected at this conference.

also, and I consider myself to be someone experienced in abstract
submission since I do it routinely for ARVO, Neuroscience, AAAO, etc.,
the abstract that you posted here by Dr. Brumer was TERRIBLE.  no
doubt it would be rejected.  Dr. Brumer appears, as do you, to have a
10-ton chip on his shoulder and seems on the verge of name-calling and
arguing.  furthermore it doesn't appear that the Dr. Brumer has
actually performed any experiments and is presenting any new data.
several times I have been called upon to render an editorial opinion
about whether an abstract that someone has submitted to a meeting
should be considered for acceptance and I would definitely recommend
"yes" provided that the author(s) have valuable data to share and that
they can explain their data in the context of a current problem in
vision science.  whether or not it is line with the current thinking
in the area is not important in the least-- actually I tend to lean
toward inviting people with different ideas as long as they can
support them with data and logical thinking.  BTW, this is where YOU
fall down miserably since every time someone asks you a difficult
question that your theories must be able to address if they are indeed
valid, you run away.  real scientists can't run away Otis.

you, and your so-called "second-opinion" buddies, never produce any
data.  you just pull out a few observations that you put your own spin
on (Eskimos, Asian myopia problem, etc.) and then start telling
everyone else that they are nuts unless they agree with what you are
saying.  indeed, it takes a bit of diplomacy, as well as being a good
scientist, to get a forum in the modern research community.  and you
guys seem to fail miserably on both of those counts.  you never
present any new data, and instead you want to polarize everyone
against you.  I predict the future holds for you exactly what the past
has-- miserable and continuous failure.  you can say it's someone
else's fault but it's YOUR fault!
otisbrown@pa.net - 05 Jul 2007 02:48 GMT
And of course, a good topic would be the habit
of over-prescribing a child by -4 diopters.

And how to handle the mother who "complains"
after the -4 diopter over-prescription is detected.

Well that is easy, just tell her:

1.  She had a muscle spasm.

2.  She will get "used to it".

3.  Etc.

But you asked for confirmation for this
poor child.  So here it is.

Let this symposium discuss this topic -- by
second-opinion ODs.

++++++++++

COMMENTARY FROM A CONCERNED MOTHER ABOUT THE NEED TO DO YOUR OWN
CHECKING WITH AN EYE CHART
AN EXCESSIVELY STRONG PRESCRIPTION?

HOW OFTEN DOES THIS HAPPEN, AND WHAT IS THE LONG-TERM EFFECT AND
CONSEQUENCE?

I have retyped this letter from the original and changed the names.
Jeanie's daughter started out (at age six) with 20/50. She received a
strong minus lens -- even though 20/50 is acceptable for most
children. After years of receiving minus lenses stronger than
necessary, she received a lens increase from -6.0 to -10.0 diopters.
Jeanie's suspicion and response is described in the following
paragraphs.

JEANIE BRAVE'S LETTER:

Here are copies of my daughter's eye records and
prescriptions. You will never know how grateful I am for you and
Mr.  Severson. When I stop and think of what could have happened
to Shanna had I not found you -- my blood starts to boil.  I have
come to realize that people never question eye doctors as they do
medical doctors.  We are all at their mercy and do not even know
it.  You have my permission to give my telephone number to anyone
who you feel needs it.

A CHECK-UP BEFORE SCHOOL

Shanna received the new contacts on August 5.  She puts in
-10.0 Diopter and is able to see -- she says one mile down the
road.  I immediately told her to take them out.  After begging my
optometrist to please give me information to stabilize her vision,
he becomes EXTREMELY UPSET.

I then went to the libraries and book
stores looking for information but I found only William Bates'
name.  I then ordered his book.  Next I found Mr.  Severson and
finally you in the back of his book.  After reading your books I
immediately knew I had the wrong optometrist -- so I nicely asked
his assistance in obtaining a -6 Diopter lens for studying.

The doctor reluctantly gave them to Shanna, telling us to use them for
STUDYING ONLY. I then confirmed the focal status of Shanna's
eye's, by assisting her in checking her vision against the eye
chart -- both inside and outside.

8/26/95   20/20   -8.0 RE -7.5 LE

8/26/95   20/100  -6.0 RE -6.0 LE (Provided for reading)

8/31/95   20/40   -6.0 RE -6.0 LE

9/26/95   20/20   -6.0 RE -6.0 LE (See the -10.0 D prescription below)

    Since she was seeing so well on 9/26/95, I told her to remove
her contacts and then come back outside.  Without ANYTHING on she
stood 20 feet away and could focus on the 20/70 and 20/50 line for
about 2 or 3 seconds -- then she said it would flash or float
away.

On Jul 4, 3:09 pm, Jennifer Staple <Jennifer.Sta...@aya.yale.edu>
wrote:
> Please Forward Widely
>
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>     * Gavin Yamey, MD, MRCP, Senior Editor, PLoS Medicine; Consulting
> Editor, PLoS Neglected Tropical Diseases
otisbrown@pa.net - 05 Jul 2007 02:59 GMT
Yes, a second-opinion section should be part
of this Yale symposium.  Ya think that is ever going
to happen.

Approximately when do you think that hell is
going to freeze over?

Perhaps the subject of over-prescribing by -4 diopters
should be evaluated -- as discussed below:

COMMENTARY FROM A CONCERNED MOTHER ABOUT THE NEED TO DO YOUR OWN
CHECKING WITH AN EYE CHART
AN EXCESSIVELY STRONG PRESCRIPTION?

HOW OFTEN DOES THIS HAPPEN, AND WHAT IS THE LONG-TERM EFFECT AND
CONSEQUENCE?

I have retyped this letter from the original and changed the names.
Jeanie's daughter started out (at age six) with 20/50. She received a
strong minus lens -- even though 20/50 is acceptable for most
children. After years of receiving minus lenses stronger than
necessary, she received a lens increase from -6.0 to -10.0 diopters.
Jeanie's suspicion and response is described in the following
paragraphs.

JEANIE BRAVE'S LETTER:

Here are copies of my daughter's eye records and
prescriptions. You will never know how grateful I am for you and
Mr.  Severson. When I stop and think of what could have happened
to Shanna had I not found you -- my blood starts to boil.  I have
come to realize that people never question eye doctors as they do
medical doctors.  We are all at their mercy and do not even know
it.  You have my permission to give my telephone number to anyone
who you feel needs it.

A CHECK-UP BEFORE SCHOOL

Shanna received the new contacts on August 5.  She puts in
-10.0 Diopter and is able to see -- she says one mile down the
road.  I immediately told her to take them out.  After begging my
optometrist to please give me information to stabilize her vision,
he becomes EXTREMELY UPSET.

I then went to the libraries and book
stores looking for information but I found only William Bates'
name.  I then ordered his book.  Next I found Mr.  Severson and
finally you in the back of his book.  After reading your books I
immediately knew I had the wrong optometrist -- so I nicely asked
his assistance in obtaining a -6 Diopter lens for studying.

The doctor reluctantly gave them to Shanna, telling us to use them
for
STUDYING ONLY. I then confirmed the focal status of Shanna's
eye's, by assisting her in checking her vision against the eye
chart -- both inside and outside.

8/26/95   20/20   -8.0 RE -7.5 LE

8/26/95   20/100  -6.0 RE -6.0 LE (Provided for reading)

8/31/95   20/40   -6.0 RE -6.0 LE

9/26/95   20/20   -6.0 RE -6.0 LE (See the -10.0 D prescription below)

    Since she was seeing so well on 9/26/95, I told her to remove
her contacts and then come back outside.  Without ANYTHING on she
stood 20 feet away and could focus on the 20/70 and 20/50 line for
about 2 or 3 seconds -- then she said it would flash or float
away.

An Excessive -10 D Prescription?

  Prescription by Dr. Bob Smyeth, Optometrist, Dated 8/5/95:

[Name changed to protect the guilty.]

  Patient:  Shanna Brave, Birth Date, 3/2/82:

8/5/85   20/20    -10.0 RE -9.5 LE (Prescription)

In subsequent conversations with Jeanie, she stated that her nine year-
old son was just starting into nearsightedness, and that she would do
everything in her power to help her son with the proper use of the
plus lens -- to avoid the catastrophic situation that had developed
with her daughter. Jeanie wondered why this knowledge is not made
generally available to the parents of young children.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

YOUR MOTIVATION IS CRUCIAL IN ORDER TO DEFEAT MYOPIA

It is clear that an intelligent, motivated pilot or student can use
the plus lens for close work, check his eyes against the eye chart,
and clear his vision back to normal.

=================

On Jul 4, 9:48 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> And of course, a good topic would be the habit
> of over-prescribing a child by -4 diopters.
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>
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Neil Brooks - 05 Jul 2007 05:08 GMT
Gee, Uncle Otie.  That was quite a little burst of self-pleasuring
there.

You going to have a cigarette now?
Mike Tyner - 05 Jul 2007 11:55 GMT
>And of course, a good topic would be the habit
>of over-prescribing a child by -4 diopters.

First you'd have to find someone in the habit of over-prescribing by 4
diopters.

> And how to handle the mother who "complains"
> after the -4 diopter over-prescription is detected.

3. Mom wouldn't let the doctor cycloplege.
4. No that isn't supposed to happen. Let us remake the glasses.

-MT
Neil Brooks - 05 Jul 2007 18:11 GMT
> <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote
>
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>
> -MT

I can't speak for anybody else, Mike, but I get just a bit tired of
you using real-world experience, based on years of actual practice in
a vain attempt to discredit Otis's fabrications--fabrications that are
wholly conjecture, and are designed to bolster a long-ago discredited
theory, lies, and faulty logic.

If you don't mind.....
Mike Tyner - 05 Jul 2007 18:17 GMT
> I can't speak for anybody else, Mike, but I get just a bit tired of
> you using real-world experience, based on years of actual practice in
> a vain attempt to discredit Otis's fabrications

I do prattle on sometimes. Sorry. :)

-MT
Kisame Hoshigaki - 05 Jul 2007 18:25 GMT
> > I can't speak for anybody else, Mike, but I get just a bit tired of
> > you using real-world experience, based on years of actual practice in
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>
> -MT

Actually, Mike, I kind of like to read the prattle. I have learned a
lot from you, not just about vision and opthalmology, but about
science in general. In fact, the more I read of your posts, the more I
learn! My dream is someday to become a renowned neuro-ophthalmologist;
these discussions on sci.med.vision are very interesting to me. So,
even though they do become repetitive I would like to thank you
nonetheless! ;-)
otisbrown@pa.net - 06 Jul 2007 18:56 GMT
Dear Mike,

Subject:  PROVEN over-prescription by -4 diopters.

You seem to have MISSED THE POINT!

The mother checked the child's Snellen at 20 feet,
and the child read 20/20 THROUGH a -6 diopter lens.

This is basic verification by the mother.

But I am certain you will insist that the mother was
too stupid to make the measurement.

Let others judge the -10 diopter prescribed for
a child who could read 20/20 through a -6 diopter lens.

You say that ODs do not over-prescribe by 4 diopters.

I say the mother made a correct measurement.

Otis

> <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote
>
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>
> -MT
Ms.Brainy - 06 Jul 2007 19:18 GMT
On Jul 6, 10:56 am, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> Dear Mike,
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -

I haven't read the mother-and-child story (don't have time to examine
all the anecdotal fairy tales), but the question is:  Can an over-
prescription provide higher acuity?  Mt logic suggests that if the
answer is "yes", then it's not over-prescription.  My experience is
that over-rx provides lesser acuity, not better, and the OD will not
prescribe it.  Without knowing the details of the case, I would doubt
the credibility of the mother's claim.
Mike Tyner - 06 Jul 2007 19:40 GMT
> I haven't read the mother-and-child story (don't have time to examine
> all the anecdotal fairy tales), but the question is:  Can an over-
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> prescribe it.  Without knowing the details of the case, I would doubt
> the credibility of the mother's claim.

Young kids have copious ability to accommodate and they frequently
over-accommodate in the exam setting. With the extra minus, letters look
"blacker" and if they misunderstand  testing isn't careful aren't tested
carefully, they think this is "better".

The doctor should have caught it, and probably would, once the glasses cause
headaches.

But any doctor who "makes a habit" of prescribing excess minus will also be
"in the habit" of re-making lenses.

Excess accommodation might hurt, but it doesn't do any harm. Ask any
uncorrected hyperope.

-MT
Kisame Hoshigaki - 06 Jul 2007 19:48 GMT
Dear Mike,

>With the extra minus, letters look "blacker" and if they
>misunderstand  testing isn't careful aren't tested
>carefully, they think this is "better".

Please could you explain this part? I don't understand.

>Excess accommodation might hurt, but it doesn't do any harm.

And I don't understand what you mean; if something causes pain then
isn't it doing harm?
Mike Tyner - 06 Jul 2007 20:55 GMT
"Kisame Hoshigaki" <absolutelyinvincible@hotmail.com>

> Please could you explain this part? I don't understand.

It's pretty hard to explain. All it means is that lots of young people
choose more minus than is anatomically necessary.

I test every prescription and ask them to confirm that one notch less minus
is blurry. Sometimes they lie, and Otis blames me.

> And I don't understand what you mean; if something causes pain then
> isn't it doing harm?

Tension headaches hurt, sometimes a lot. But after the headache is gone,
what "harm" remains?

Menstrual cramps hurt. But two weeks later, what damage remains?

Tic doloreaux is one of the most painful conditions to occur in humans. What
harm does it do?

-MT
Ms.Brainy - 06 Jul 2007 21:19 GMT
> "Kisame Hoshigaki" <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com>
>
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>
> -MT

Sometimes pain might even be beneficial, as in "no pain -- no gain."
Physical exercise, for instance, might stretch the pain for a few
days, but result in developed muscles and/or incereased flexibility.
Physical therapy hurts even more, but provides restoration of mobility
and healing.

P.S.  Higushaki Konsumoki asks extremely idiotic questions, Mike.
Please don't waste your valuable energy answering them, and then get
hit by his insults and "noise" claims.  He is a Batesian, you know,
and believes only in relaxation (combined with spiritual palming,
sunning and nude bathing).
Kisame Hoshigaki - 07 Jul 2007 12:31 GMT
Dear Brainy,

I deeply apologize for my annoying and stupid questions. I know
sometimes my teachers at school also get very aggravated with me,
because I am always asking them things about everything. The thing is,
I have an obsessive personality where I must find out everything
possible about a subject, and it is this unending curiosity that
sometimes gets me into a lot of trouble! Again, I apologize when I
take up your time with my many questions! (I do it too much, I know!)
But I am hopeful that my inquisitive nature will be accepted by this
group, in which I see that many scientists and great thinkers are
participating. Dr.Tyner is no doubt very generous in answering all my
silly questions! It is certainly rare to come across men of such
brilliance and kindness as is his. His patience never fails to impress
me, and I do believe that there are some remarkable geniuses within
our community. I can only anticipate my future, when I become a neuro-
ophthalmologist, I will with the greatest amount of luck and grace, be
as intelligent and knowledgeable as he is.
Kisame Hoshigaki - 07 Jul 2007 13:53 GMT
Dear Ms. Brainy,

>Sometimes pain might even be beneficial, as in "no pain -- no gain."
>Physical exercise, for instance, might stretch the pain for a few
>days, but result in developed muscles and/or incereased flexibility.
>Physical therapy hurts even more, but provides restoration of mobility
>and healing.

A good point you have raised, no doubt, but I do not entirely agree
with it being an absolute definite idea. In our society, we have, most
unfortunately, come to believe that much effort and hard work is
needed for anything worthwhile to be accomplished. It is this concept
that I find, in essence, a rather strange hypothesis, and especially
when we make a number of simple observations in the world around us.

Allow us to take the example of a piano player (yes, I do know that
this is an overused analogy!). If you were to make a few small
experiments, I would have absolutely no reservation with the
conclusion you would find, which is as follows. The piano player, when
he is calm, relaxed, and simply 'going along with the flow', enjoying
himself, he is able to produce a masterpiece of work -- that is to say
-- his fingers will fly along the keys without effort, carrying out
the instructions given to them by the mind, undisturbed, shall we say,
by any 'noise' through the nerves along the way. The noise, in this
case, we can substitute with the concept of effort, hard work, pain,
etc.

Yet, when the very same person is under a strain, or effort -- or dare
I say pain -- he will find himself stuttering with the keys, hitting
incorrect notes, and making a general fool of himself. Is it not
therefore somewhat plausible that we have rather exaggerated our
strange fabrication, which has no real basis in foundation ? -

"No pain, no gain."

I think so! It is indeed true that from pain we are able to learn, to
proceed, and to progress, from our own pains -- but to say 'no pain,
no gain' is, to me, a rather silly statement, the more one considers
it!

For it is certain, that in my own case -- when it comes to doing
exercise, playing sports, and so on -- that I am able to excel by
simply disregarding any pain/effort. Now then, let me make my point of
view here a little more clear: pain is *not* required for progress,
procession, or experience. So what are your thoughts, Brainy? Agree?
Disagree?

-KH
Kisame Hoshigaki - 07 Jul 2007 13:58 GMT
Dear pclar,

p.clar...@gmail.com wrote:
> The results of this study do not support the hypothesis
> that an overcorrected myope has a lower rate of increase of myopia
> than a myope wearing a conventional spectacle correction.

I do not understand what you mean here. Are you saying that this study
supports the view that: overcorrected myope has a lower rate of
increase in myopia than a myope wearing conventional spectacle
correction or that: an overcorrected myopia has a *higher* rate rate
of increase of myopia than a myope wearing a conventional spectacle
correction. The studies appear to agree with the latter view.

-KH
Mike Tyner - 07 Jul 2007 15:24 GMT
> I do not understand what you mean here. Are you saying that this study
> supports the view that: overcorrected myope has a lower rate of
> increase in myopia than a myope wearing conventional spectacle
> correction or that: an overcorrected myopia has a *higher* rate rate
> of increase of myopia than a myope wearing a conventional spectacle
> correction. The studies appear to agree with the latter view.

The study says overcorrection doesn't matter significantly, either way.

-MT
Kisame Hoshigaki - 07 Jul 2007 18:32 GMT
Oh, now I understand lol!
Kisame Hoshigaki - 07 Jul 2007 20:52 GMT
Oh sorry, I think I misread it. Thank you for clarifying, Mike!
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 08 Jul 2007 05:16 GMT
On Jul 7, 8:58 am, Kisame Hoshigaki <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Dear pclar,
>
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>
> -KH

wow.  i thought the study was pretty clear.
the study shows that there is NO DIFFERENCE in myopia progression in
human children who were overcorrected with excessive minus lens power
versus children who were properly corrected.  in other words, using
excessive amounts of the "wretched minus" has no impact on the myopia
development.  to put it another way, excessive minus lens power DOES
NOT induce stairstep myopia.
Kisame Hoshigaki - 08 Jul 2007 12:26 GMT
On 8 Jul, 04:16, p.clar...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 7, 8:58 am, Kisame Hoshigaki <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
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> development.  to put it another way, excessive minus lens power DOES
> NOT induce stairstep myopia.

Dear pclar,

I very much apologize, I only skimmed through it very fast when I read
it first time round. So I missed the end conclusion LOL. Thx for
clarifying. Btw. what do you mean by 'stearsteps' myopia?? (Sorry, I
am still a newbie to all this complex stuff. But I am learning lots!!)
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 08 Jul 2007 23:28 GMT
On Jul 8, 7:26 am, Kisame Hoshigaki <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> On 8 Jul, 04:16, p.clar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
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> clarifying. Btw. what do you mean by 'stearsteps' myopia?? (Sorry, I
> am still a newbie to all this complex stuff. But I am learning lots!!)

hello Revival.  interesting new persona you are assuming now.

anyway, I was referring to "stairstep" myopia (aka "staircase"
myopia).  that concept is favored by Otis and his friends and it
states that, by giving the eye minus lenses, it will cause the eye to
develop myopia even faster.  thus, according to otis, the more you
correct an eye with minus lenses the faster it will develop even more
myopia.  unfortunately, the two articles that I cited earlier show
that stairstep myopia does not actually occur.

all in all, its just goes to show that its best to rely on
statistically-analyzed studies rather than opinions, individual
success stories, and stories by old dead eye doctors like raphaelson.
Kisame Hoshigaki - 09 Jul 2007 11:51 GMT
Dear pclar,

Okay thank you very much! I understand now.
Kisame Hoshigaki - 07 Jul 2007 12:56 GMT
Dear Mike,

>Tension headaches hurt, sometimes a lot. But after the headache is gone,
>what "harm" remains?
>Menstrual cramps hurt. But two weeks later, what damage remains?
>Tic doloreaux is one of the most painful conditions to occur in humans. What
>harm does it do?

Thank you for your reply -- you make a very good point that I had not
considered.

I believe that pain is one of the human body's most intricate
systems,.and I admire the system for its ingenuity. I have considered
that there are many different types of pain - each with its own form
of consequences and similarities. In addition, each sector of pain may
be divided into its own classification of grouping. I take your point,
Mike -- however, it would be an injustice to claim that because a
certain pain shows no relative visible harm, that it may be so easily
disregarded, without first considering the so called 'invisible'
effects or even its longterm effects.

The types of pain to which I was referring (this is simply a
fabrication of my entire concept) may include -

1. Internal pain
2. Mental pain
3. External pain
4. Memory of pain
5. Imaginary pain
6. The anticipation of pain

1, 2, 3, and 5 would obviously be in the present, whilst the concept
of numbers 4, and 6 would be either in the past or, in the future. I
mention this because, Mike, I remain unsure as to whether you should
be disregarding any one type of pain without allowing a further
consideration of another. In addition, each type of pain would lead to
its own branch of consequences (made up of either another pain in
itself, or a harm/damage) - though one may not conceive of the many,
and only the singular, clear, obvious damage.

Therefore I do not agree with your implications, that simply because a
singular, external pain shows no clear damage, that you have
disregarded the many series of consequences that may be visible or
invisible to the current instruments used by the medical profession to
detect such signs of harm.

P.S. Sorry for my long and boring post, but I just thought I should
try to explain why I do not agree with the current medical concept of
pain, expectation, and consequence.

-KH
Kisame Hoshigaki - 07 Jul 2007 13:05 GMT
Dear Mike,

>Tension headaches hurt, sometimes a lot. But after the headache is gone,
>what "harm" remains?
>Menstrual cramps hurt. But two weeks later, what damage remains?
>Tic doloreaux is one of the most painful conditions to occur in humans. What
>harm does it do?

Thank you for your reply -- you make a very good point that I had not
considered.

I believe that pain is one of the human body's most intricate
systems,.and I admire the system for its ingenuity. I have considered
that there are many different types of pain - each with its own form
of consequences and similarities. In addition, each sector of pain may
be divided into its own classification of grouping. I take your point,
Mike -- however, it would be an injustice to claim that because a
certain pain shows no relative visible harm, that it may be so easily
disregarded, without first considering the so called 'invisible'
effects or even its longterm effects.

The types of pain to which I was referring (this is simply a
fabrication of my entire concept) may include -

1. Internal pain
2. Mental pain
3. External pain
4. Memory of pain
5. Imaginary pain
6. The anticipation of pain

1, 2, 3, and 5 would obviously be in the present, whilst the concept
of numbers 4, and 6 would be either in the past or, in the future. I
mention this because, Mike, I remain unsure as to whether you should
be disregarding any one type of pain without allowing a further
consideration of another. In addition, each type of pain would lead to
its own branch of consequences (made up of either another pain in
itself, or a harm/damage) - though one may not conceive of the many,
and only the singular, clear, obvious damage.

For example, allow us to take a case of exaggerated (but plausible)
extremity - trauma. A man goes to war and sees his comrade fall at the
hands of his own stupidity -- his comrade has been shot down by the
enemy. The bullets, which have entered his body, are causing the
comrade a great deal of pain and discomfort. The man, on the other
hand, has no visible damage or pain (present) yet he does have an
anticipation that perhaps the enemy is still lurking around, and as
such he fears (the future), whilst the memory of his friend who is now
dead brings back much guilt (pain of the past). This is, as I have
stated, an extreme and typical case -- nonetheless, we should not
ignore the perception. (Isn't it, in scientific terms, called the
'ALARA' principle or something? As low as reasonably achievable. Or
perhaps it was the 'precautionary principle', I always forget) :-)

Therefore I do not agree with your implications, that simply because a
singular, external pain shows no clear damage, that you have
disregarded the many series of consequences that may be visible or
invisible to the current instruments used by the medical profession to
detect such signs of harm.

P.S. Sorry for my long and boring post, but I just thought I should
try to explain why I do not agree with the current medical concept of
pain, expectation, and consequence.

-KH
Kisame Hoshigaki - 07 Jul 2007 13:13 GMT
Dear Mike,

>Tension headaches hurt, sometimes a lot. But after the headache is gone,
>what "harm" remains?
>Menstrual cramps hurt. But two weeks later, what damage remains?
>Tic doloreaux is one of the most painful conditions to occur in humans. What
>harm does it do?

Thank you for your reply -- you make a very good point that I had not
considered.

I have come to believe that, despite all the annoyances it tends to
cause, pain is without one of the human body's most intricate
'warning' systems,.and I admire the system for its ingenuity. I have
considered that there are many different types of pain - each with its
own form of consequences and similarities. In addition, each sector of
pain may be divided into its own classification of grouping. I take
your point, Mike -- however, it would be an injustice to claim that
because a certain pain shows no relative visible harm, that it may be
so easily disregarded, without first considering the so called
'invisible' effects or even its longterm effects.

The types of pain to which I was referring (this is simply a
fabrication of my entire concept) may include -

1. Internal pain
2. Mental pain
3. External pain
4. Memory of pain
5. Imaginary pain
6. The anticipation of pain

1, 2, 3, and 5 would obviously be in the present, whilst the concept
of numbers 4, and 6 would be either in the past or, in the future. I
mention this because, Mike, I remain unsure as to whether you should
be disregarding any one type of pain without allowing a further
consideration of another. In addition, each type of pain would lead to
its own branch of consequences (made up of either another pain in
itself, or a harm/damage) - though one may not conceive of the many,
and only the singular, clear, obvious damage.

For example, allow us to take a case of exaggerated (but plausible)
extremity - trauma. A man goes to war and sees his comrade fall at the
hands of his own stupidity -- his comrade has been shot down by the
enemy. The bullets, which have entered his body, are causing the
comrade a great deal of pain and discomfort. The man, on the other
hand, has no visible damage or pain (present) yet he does have an
anticipation that perhaps the enemy is still lurking around, and as
such he fears (the future), whilst the memory of his friend who is now
dead brings back much guilt (pain of the past). This is, as I have
stated, an extreme and typical case -- nonetheless, we should not
ignore the perception. (Isn't it, in scientific terms, called the
'ALARA' principle or something? As low as reasonably achievable. Or
perhaps it was the 'precautionary principle', I always forget) :-)

Therefore I do not agree with your implications, that simply because a
singular, external pain shows no clear damage, that you have
disregarded the many series of consequences that may be visible or
invisible to the current instruments used by the medical profession to
detect such signs of harm.

P.S. Sorry for my long and boring post, but I just thought I should
try to explain why I do not agree with the current medical concept of
pain, expectation, and consequence.

-KH
Kisame Hoshigaki - 07 Jul 2007 13:19 GMT
Dear Mike,

>Tension headaches hurt, sometimes a lot. But after the headache is gone,
>what "harm" remains?
>Menstrual cramps hurt. But two weeks later, what damage remains?
>Tic doloreaux is one of the most painful conditions to occur in humans. What
>harm does it do?

Thank you for your reply -- you make a very good point that I had not
considered.

I have come to believe that, despite all the annoyances it tends to
cause, pain is without doubt one of the human body's most intricate
'warning' systems,.and I admire the system for its ingenuity. I have
considered that there are many different types of pain - each with its
own form of consequences and similarities. In addition, each sector of
pain may be divided into its own classification of grouping. I take
your point, Mike -- however, it would be an injustice to claim that
because a certain pain shows no relative visible harm, that it may be
so easily disregarded, without first considering the so called
'invisible' effects or even its longterm effects.

The types of pain to which I was referring (this is simply a
fabrication of my entire concept) may include -

1. Internal pain
2. Mental pain
3. External pain
4. Memory of pain
5. Imaginary pain
6. The anticipation of pain

1, 2, 3, and 5 would obviously be in the present, whilst the concept
of numbers 4, and 6 would be either in the past or, in the future. I
mention this because, Mike, I remain unsure as to whether you should
be disregarding any one type of pain without allowing a further
consideration of another. In addition, each type of pain would lead to
its own branch of consequences (made up of either another pain in
itself, or a harm/damage) - though one may not conceive of the many,
and only the singular, clear, obvious damage.

For example, allow us to take a case of exaggerated (but plausible)
extremity - trauma. A man goes to war and sees his comrade fall at the
hands of his own stupidity -- his comrade has been shot down by the
enemy. The bullets, which have entered his body, are causing the
comrade a great deal of pain and discomfort. The man, on the other
hand, has no visible damage or pain (present) yet he does have an
anticipation that perhaps the enemy is still lurking around, and as
such he fears (the future), whilst the memory of his friend who is now
dead brings back much guilt (pain of the past). This is, as I have
stated, an extreme and typical case -- nonetheless, we should not
ignore the perception. (Isn't it, in scientific terms, called the
'ALARA' principle or something? As low as reasonably achievable. Or
perhaps it was the 'precautionary principle', I always forget) :-)

Therefore I do not agree with your implications, that simply because a
singular, external pain shows no clear damage, that you have
disregarded the many series of consequences that may be visible or
invisible to the current instruments used by the medical profession to
detect such signs of harm.

P.S. Sorry for my long and boring post, but I just thought I should
try to explain why I do not agree with the current medical concept of
pain, expectation, and consequence.

-KH
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 07 Jul 2007 04:27 GMT
> I haven't read the mother-and-child story (don't have time to examine
> all the anecdotal fairy tales), but the question is:  Can an over-
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> prescribe it.  Without knowing the details of the case, I would doubt
> the credibility of the mother's claim.

you are basically correct with regard to the effects of
overprescription in patients middle-aged or older ( approx. >45).
excessive minus lens power usually results in reduced acuity along
with eye strain, headaches, and possible double vision.

in younger patients however, excessive minus lens power can still
result in good acuity although patients still will sometimes complain
of headaches, eyestrain, diplopia, etc.  Furthermore, young people who
are overminused sometimes actually prefer their vision this way
because the combination of excessive minus lens power, along with
excessive plus lens power which is reflexly added by accommodation
within the eye in order to maintain good acuity, gives their visual
world a darker, higher-contrast appearance.  "young people" refers to
those less than ~40 years of age who can still recruit some
accommodation to help them see clearly through excessive minus lens
power.

and you are right also about eye doctors being careful not to
overminus their patients.  Otis simple-mindedly believes that eye
doctors just crank up the minus lens power on patients excessively.
In practice, minus lenses are used primarily in nearsighted patients
whose retinal image is not clear because either their eyeball is
slightly too long, or their corneal curvature is too steep.  Just
enough minus lens power is given so that the patient can see clearly.

interestingly, studies have shown that when excessive minus lens power
is used in humans, it DOES NOT stimulate further development of myopia
as Otis continually claims it does.  he knows about these studies yet
he will not comment on them and they do not cause him to question his
own beliefs whatsoever as they would a truly rational person.  Otis is
truly an objective thinker, huh?  he makes up his mind and then just
ignors facts that contradict them.

I have provided the citations and abstracts for those studies below.
The studies were undertaken to see if overprescribing minus lenses
would be beneficial in the treatment of other disorders aside from
investigating whether they induce staircase myopia as Otis claims, yet
the data is still relevant and bears directly upon the claims of Otis
Brown, Engineer. If Otis were a real man he would comment, but he
won't!

--------------

Goss, D.  (1984) Overcorrection as a means of slowing myopic
progression.
Am J Optom Physiol Opt., Feb;61(2):85-93.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra
ct&list_uids=6703013&query_hl=3


Thirty-six subjects (18 males and 18 females) ranging in ages from
7.38 to 15.82 years received an overcorrection of 0.75 D over the
power required to correct their myopia exactly. These 36 experimental
subjects were matched by control subjects selected at random from the
files of the Indiana University Optometry Clinics. The criteria used
in matching were sex, beginning age, beginning refractive error, and
duration of time covered by the record. The mean rate of change of
refractive error for the experimental group was (minus indicating
increase of myopia) -0.49 D/year (range, +0.37 to -1.95 D/year) on
retinoscopy and -0.52 D/year (range, +0.21 to -1.32 D/year) on
subjective refraction. The mean rate of change for the control group
was -0.47 D/year (range, +0.06 to -2.03 D/year) on retinoscopy and
-0.47 D/year (range, +0.28 to -1.72 D/year) on subjective refraction.
Rates for the experimental and control groups were not significantly
different. The results of this study do not support the hypothesis
that an overcorrected myope has a lower rate of increase of myopia
than a myope wearing a conventional spectacle correction.

==========================

Arch Ophthalmol. 1999 May;117(5):638-42.
Does overcorrecting minus lens therapy for intermittent exotropia
cause myopia?

Kushner BJ. Pediatric Eye and Adult Strabismus Clinic, Department of
Ophthalmology and Visual Sciences, University of Wisconsin, Madison,
USA. bkushner@...

http://archopht.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/117/5/638

RESULTS: At the time of initial examination, the mean (+/-SD)
refractive error was 0.00 +/- 1.40 diopters (D) in the control
group, 0.00 +/- 1.50 D in the study group, and -0.10 +/- 1.50 D in
the 5-year study group, all of which were essentially identical.
Five years after initial examination, the mean change in refractive
error was -1.40 +/- 2.80 D in the control group, -1.52 +/- 1.80 D in
the 6-month treatment group, and -1.54 +/- 1.80 D in the 5-year
treatment group. These differences in the change in refractive error
(myopic shift) were not statistically significant (t test), and the
differences are clinically unimportant. CONCLUSION: Overcorrecting
minus lens therapy for intermittent exotropia does not appear to
cause myopia.

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RT - 07 Jul 2007 13:41 GMT
> The results of this study do not support the hypothesis
> that an overcorrected myope has a lower rate of increase of myopia
> than a myope wearing a conventional spectacle correction.

This wording is kind of tricky isn't? This study was testing the
hypothesis that myopes can reduce their myopia by overcorrecting. I
haven't seen anyone argue that on this NG.

In fact the experimental group (the overcorrected group) GAINED slightly
more myopia (Otis's hypothesis)--the gain was statistically
insignificant, but it was a gain nonetheless.

(disclaimer--in support or against no one. just reacting to a post.)

Signature

~RT

Mike Tyner - 07 Jul 2007 15:22 GMT
>> The results of this study do not support the hypothesis
>> that an overcorrected myope has a lower rate of increase of myopia
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> hypothesis that myopes can reduce their myopia by overcorrecting. I
> haven't seen anyone argue that on this NG.

The weird hypothesis could be a novel approach for the sake of pleasing the
editors. It's probably difficult to get _another_ paper published that
simply says overcorrection does no significant harm.

-MT
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 08 Jul 2007 05:23 GMT
> >> The results of this study do not support the hypothesis
> >> that an overcorrected myope has a lower rate of increase of myopia
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> -MT

some decades ago, myopia researchers thought that supplying excessive
minus power in children's glasses may actually reduce myopia
progression.  this study was undertaken to address that hypothesis.
yet the data also bears on Otis' hypothesis that excessive minus lens
power actually causes myopia to accelerate.

the truth is, as is demonstrated in the outcome of this study, the use
of excess minus lenses has no impact on accelerated OR diminished
myopia development.  its relevant in the context of Otis' blathering
in that is disproves his claims of staircase myopia and it actually
does so in experiments performed in humans rather than monkeys where
lenses were actually sutured onto their eyelids.

again, Otis refuses to acknowledge this study.  either that or he just
doesn't understand it.
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 08 Jul 2007 05:09 GMT
> In article <1183778848.526528.276...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> --
> ~RT

as I said in my post, those studies were originally undertaken for a
different reason than to test Otis' overminusing hypothesis.  Yet that
does not make the data irrelevant to a real-life test, in humans, of
Otis' hypothesis about minus lenses causing staircase myopia.  The
study design is directly relevant-- i.e. it compares a group of
children who were intensionally given excessive minus lens strength in
their glasses to a group who were refracted precisely without any
under- or over-correction.  the results show that there was NO
DIFFERENCE in the further development of refractive error in the two
groups.

whether there was a slight difference in the mean refractive change
between the two groups is of ZERO relevance since statistics shows
that such a small difference is likely due to individual
variabilities, etc. etc.  I assume that you understand the basic
principles of statistical data analysis.  Just like you say in your
reply, the gain was statistically insignificant which means that,
mathematically-speaking, that's the end of the story.  Game over!  For
all intents and purposes there really is no difference between the two
values.  And if the experiment were to be repeated again it would be
just as likely that the small difference that was observed might come
out the opposite way.  So, to further beat the dead horse, it means
that the difference in refractive change between the two groups is so
small that its meaningless-- right!  Trying to draw some conclusions
from the data, as you seem to be suggesting, ignors the whole reason
why statistics is applied to such studies.  It's Probability and
Statistics 101.  Its the way real scientific studies are performed so
that issues are not clouded by researcher bias, single case-reports,
etc.
Mike Tyner - 06 Jul 2007 19:29 GMT
> But I am certain you will insist that the mother was
> too stupid to make the measurement.

Since I have you to express my opinions for me, there's nothing more to say.

-MT
otisbrown@pa.net - 08 Jul 2007 03:53 GMT
Otis>  Here is Neil DBG Brooks original post -- to which
I typed in these responses:

<Jennifer.Sta...@aya.yale.edu> wrote:
>Please Forward Widely

>Unite For Sight Fifth Annual International Health & Eye Care
>Conference
>Building Global Health For Today and Tomorrow
>April 12-13, 2008
>Yale University, New Haven, Connecticut
>http://www.uniteforsight.org/conference/2008

And there you go, Uncle Otie: a perfect opportunity to have your case
heard by a willing audience of eye care professionals.

Or would you rather just sit back and launch falsehoods, accusations,
lies, myths, accusations, and faulty logic from behind your
keyboard??

Neil Brooks

=====================

On Jul 4, 3:09 pm, Jennifer Staple <Jennifer.Sta...@aya.yale.edu>
wrote:
> Please Forward Widely
>
[quoted text clipped - 197 lines]
>
> read more »
Neil Brooks - 08 Jul 2007 04:19 GMT
>Otis>  Here is Neil DBG Brooks original post -- to which
>I typed in these responses:

I am NOT David Granet.

You ARE a mentally disturbed moron.
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 08 Jul 2007 05:29 GMT
On Jul 7, 10:53 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> Otis>  Here is Neil DBG Brooks original post -- to which
> I typed in these responses:

are you still blathering?  you know there is a discussion going on in
this very thread which brings into question your whole concept of
myopiagenesis being induced by minus lenses.  why don't you take a
moment and read it and comment.  this experiment, which was performed
in humans rather than your beloved Young experiment which was done on
monkeys, shows that minus lenses have ZERO detrimental effect.

what is your critical evaluation of this paper (Goss et. al)?  Or are
you going to just cut and run like you always do?
Ms.Brainy - 08 Jul 2007 05:37 GMT
On Jul 7, 9:29 pm, p.clar...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 7, 10:53 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> what is your critical evaluation of this paper (Goss et. al)?  Or are
> you going to just cut and run like you always do?

I am amazed, p.clark.  Otis has such a nice theory, and all you do is
trying to confuse him with facts.  Is this fair?
 
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