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Jennifer Staple - 04 Jul 2007 20:09 GMT Please Forward Widely
Unite For Sight Fifth Annual International Health & Eye Care Conference Building Global Health For Today and Tomorrow April 12-13, 2008 Yale University, New Haven, Connecticut http://www.uniteforsight.org/conference/2008
Join 2,000 conference attendees and 130 speakers for a stimulating conference. Keynote Addresses By: Dr. Jeffrey Sachs, Dr. Sonia Sachs, Dr. Susan Blumenthal, and Dr. Jim Yong Kim Plus More Than 130 Featured Speakers Call For Abstracts - DEADLINE JULY 15, 2007 - http://uniteforsight.org/conference/2008/abstracts.php
Register For Conference - EARLY BIRD RATE ($45 Students, $70 All Others) http://www.uniteforsight.org/conference/2008 REGISTER BY JULY 15th TO SECURE LOWEST RATE
Who should attend? Anyone interested in eye care, international health, public health, international development, medicine, social entrepreneurship, nonprofits, philanthropy, microfinance, bioethics, anthropology, health policy, advocacy, and public service.
*Keynote Addresses*
* Susan Blumenthal, MD, MPA, Former U.S. Assistant Surgeon General; Senior Advisor For Health and Medicine; Former Deputy Assistant Secretary for Women's Health, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services; Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at Georgetown School of Medicine and Tufts University Medical Center * Jim Yong Kim, MD, PhD, Co-Founder, Partners in Health; Director, François Xavier Bagnoud Center for Health and Human Rights; François Xavier Bagnoud Professor of Health and Human Rights, Harvard School of Public Health; Chair, Department of Social Medicine, Harvard Medical School; Chief of the Division of Social Medicine and Health Inequalities, Brigham and Women's Hospital; Former HIV/AIDS Director at World Health Organization * Jeffrey Sachs, PhD, Director of Earth Institute at Columbia University; Quetelet Professor of Sustainable Development, Professor of Health Policy and Management, Columbia University; Special Advisor to Secretary-General of the United Nations Ban Ki-moon * Sonia Sachs, MD, MPH, Health Coordinator, Millennium Villages
*130 Featured Speakers (Listed Below Are The Speakers Confirmed Thus Far)*
* Ted M. Alemayhu, Founder, Chairman and CEO, US Doctors For Africa * Greg Allgood, PhD, Director, Children's Safe Drinking Water, Procter & Gamble * R. Rand Allingham, MD, Professor of Ophthalmology; Director, Glaucoma Service, Duke University Eye Center * Jared Ament, MD, MPh, Clinical Research Fellow, Ophthalmolology & Corneal Surgery, Massachusetts Eye and Ear Infirmary, Harvard Medical School; Harvard School of Public Health * Jane Aronson, MD, Director, International Pediatric Health Services; Founder and Executive Medical Director, Worldwide Orphans Foundation (WWO); Clinical Assistant Professor of Pediatrics, Weill Medical College of Cornell University * Thomas Baah, MD, MSc, Ophthalmologist, Our Lady of Grace Hospital, Ghana * Michele Barry, MD, FACP, Professor of Medicine and Global Health Director, Office of International Health; Chief, General Medicine Firm, Yale University School of Medicine * Georges Benjamin, MD, Executive Director, American Public Health Association * Paul Berman, OD, FAAO, Senior Global Clinical Advisor and Founder, Special Olympics Lions Clubs, International Opening Eyes * Terry Blaschke, MD, Professor of Medicine and of Molecular Pharmacology (Active Emeritus), Stanford University School of Medicine * Neil Boothby, EdD, Professor of Clinical Population and Family Health; Director, Program on Forced Migration and Health, Mailman School of Public Health * Harry S. Brown, MD, Founder, Surgical Eye Expeditions (SEE) International * Donald Budenz, MD, MPH, Professor of Ophthalmology, Epidemiology, and Public Health, University of Miami Miller School of Medicine * Michael Cappello, MD, Professor of Pediatrics and Epidemiology and Public Health; Director, Program in International Child Health; Co- Director, International Adoption Clinic, Yale University School of Medicine * Emily Moore and Mark Carlson, PhD, Adjunct Professor, Sociology, San Diego State University * James Clarke, MD, Ophthalmologist and Medical Director, Crystal Eye Clinic, Ghana * Susan Day, MD, Chair and Program Director, Pediatric Ophthalmology and Strabismus, California Pacific Medical Center * Syril Dorairaj, MD, Clinical Research Fellow, Glaucoma Associates of New York, The New York Eye and Ear Infirmary * Margaret Duah-Mensah, Ophthalmic Nurse, Crystal Eye Clinic, Ghana * Andy Ellner, MD, Clinton HIV/AIDS Initiative * Sheri Fink, MD, PhD, Kaiser Media Fellow in Global Health; Visiting Scientist, Francois-Xavier Bagnoud Center for Health and Human Rights, Harvard School of Public Health; Senior Fellow, Harvard Humanitarian Initiative * Susan Hall Forster, MD, Associate Clinical Professor, Department of Medical Studies, Department of Ophthalmology, Yale School of Medicine; Chief, Ophthalmology, Yale University Health Services * David Friedman, MD, MPH, Associate Professor of Ophthalmology and International Health, Johns Hopkins University * Urick Gaillard, JD, Founder and Executive Director, The Batey Relief Alliance * Gabriel Garcia, MD, Professor of Medicine, Associate Dean of Medical School Admissions, Stanford University School of Medicine * Nora Groce, PhD, Associate Professor and Director, Yale/WHO Collaborating Centre, Global Health Division, Yale School of Public Health * Michael Gyasi, MD, Ophthalmologist and Director of the Bawku Eye Care Program, Ghana * Heskel M. Haddad, MD, Clinical Professor of Ophthalmology, New York Medical College * Leon Herndon, MD, Associate Professor of Ophthalmology, Duke University Eye Center * Ibrahim Jabr, Interim President, International Trachoma Initiative * Rosemary Janiszewski, MS, CHES, Deputy Director, Office of Communication, Health Education and Public Liaison; Director, National Eye Health Eucation Program, National Eye Institute (NEI), National Institutes of Health * Evaleen Jones, MD, Founder, President and Medical Director, Child Family Health International; Clinical Assistant Professor, Stanford University School of Medicine * Dean Karlan, PhD, President and Founder of Innovations for Poverty Action; Assistant Professor of Economics, Yale University * Zachary Kaufman, MPhil in International Relations; DPhil Candidate in International Relations, University of Oxford; JD Candidate, Yale University Law School * Kaveh Khoshnood, PhD, Assistant Professor in Public Health Practice, Division of Epidemiology of Microbial Diseases, Yale School of Public Health * Doug Lawrence, Vice President/General Manager, BD Medical - Ophthalmic Systems * Fiona Macaulay, President, Making Cents International * Carolyn Makinson, PhD, Executive Director, Women's Commission for Refugee Women and Children * Tshepo Mbalambi, BSc, Med Sci, MBcHB Candidate, University of Ghana School of Medicine * John McGoldrick, Senior Vice President, International AIDS Vaccine Initiative (IAVI) * Christine Melton, MD, MS, Friends of Aravind Association * Mini Murthy, MD, MPH, MS, Assistant Professor, Department of Behavioral Science and Community Health, Program Director Global Health, New York Medical College School of Public Health * Neal Nathanson, MD, Associate Dean, Global Health Programs, University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine * Thomas Novotny, MD, MPH, Director of International Programs; Professor in Residence, Epidemiology and Biostatistics, UCSF School of Medicine * Edward O'Neil Jr, MD, Founder, Omni Med; Author, Awakening Hippocrates: Primer on Health, Poverty, and Global Service, and A Practical Guide to Global Health Service * Cliff OCallahan, MD, PhD, Pediatric Faculty, Middlesex Hospital Family Practice Program; Chair, AAP Section on International Child Health * Adeyemi Oshodi, PATH * Elijah Paintsil, MD, Associate Research Scientist, Department of Pediatrics, Yale School of Medicine * Matthew Paul, MD, Danbury Eye Physicians and Surgeons * Steven C. Phillips, MD, MPH, Medical Director, Global Issues and Projects, Exxon Mobil Corporation * Louis Pizzarello, MD, MPH, Secretary General, International Agency for the Prevention of Blindness * Thomas Quinn, MD, Director, Johns Hopkins Center for Global Health * Nathan Radcliffe, MD, Glaucoma Service at New York Eye & Ear Infirmary * Ian Rawson, MD, CEO/Directeur General, Hopital Albert Schweitzer Haiti * William Reese, President and CEO, International Youth Foundation * Ilya Rozenbuam, MD, GANY Glaucoma Fellow, New York Eye and Ear Institute * Leonard Rubenstein, Executive Director, Physicians for Human Rights * Jennifer Ruger, PhD, MSc, Assistant Professor, Division of Global Health, Yale School of Public Health; Co-Director of the Yale/ World Health Organization (WHO) Collaborating Centre for Health Promotion, Policy and Research; Interdisciplinary Research Methods Core Investigator, Center for Interdisciplinary Research on AIDS * Lisa Russell, MPH, Filmmaker * Sarwat Salim, MD, Ophthalmologist * Sarang Samal, Kalinga Eye Hospital, Orissa, India * Georgia Sambunaris, MA * Werner Schultink, MD, Chief Child Development and Nutrition, UNICEF * Chirag Shah, MD, Chief Resident, Wills Eye Hospital * Bruce Shields, MD, Professor of Ophthalmology, Chairman Emeritus, Department of Ophthalmology, Yale University School of Medicine * Satyajit Sinha, MBBS, Ophthalmologist, AB Eye Institute, Patna, India * D. Scott Smith, MD, MSc, DTM&H, Chief of Infectious Disease and Geographic Medicine, Kaiser Redwood City Hospital * Eliot Sorel, MD, D.L.F.A.P.A. Global Health, Health Services Management, and Leadership, The George Washington University School of Public Health; Psychiatry & Behavioral Sciences School of Medicine, GWU; Chairman, Founder, Conflict Management Section WPA * Kari Stoever, Senior Program Officer, Neglected Tropical Diseases, Sabin Vaccine Institute * Glenn Strauss, MD, Vice President of International Health Care and Programs, Mercy Ships, Int'l * Robert Farris Thompson, PhD, Col. John Trumbull Professor of the History of Art, Yale University * Jamie Lachman and Tim Cunningham, Clowns Without Borders * James C. Tsai, MD, Chair, Department of Ophthalmologist, Yale University School of Medicine * Satya Verma, OD, FAAO, Director, Community Eye Care, Pennsylvania College of Optometry * Seth Wanye, MD, Ophthalmologist, Eye Clinic of Tamale Teaching Hospital, Ghana * Gavin Yamey, MD, MRCP, Senior Editor, PLoS Medicine; Consulting Editor, PLoS Neglected Tropical Diseases
Neil Brooks - 04 Jul 2007 21:46 GMT >Please Forward Widely > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Yale University, New Haven, Connecticut >http://www.uniteforsight.org/conference/2008 And there you go, Uncle Otie: a perfect opportunity to have your case heard by a willing audience of eye care professionals.
Or would you rather just sit back and launch falsehoods, accusations, lies, myths, accusations, and faulty logic from behind your keyboard??
otisbrown@pa.net - 05 Jul 2007 02:33 GMT For your information:
In fact papers have been submitted -- AND REJECTED -- concerning the second-opinion, that a negative refractive STATE of the fundamental eye can be prevented.
Dr. Maurice Brumer did exactly that, but since his concept was HATED, his analysis was rejected.
Here is part of his review. I doubt that these people have the GUTS to begin a discussion along these lines.
Been there -- done that.
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A COURAGEOUS EYE DOCTOR DOCUMENTS THE SECONDARY EFFECT OF USING A NEGATIVE LENS
EYESTRAIN - ITS CAUSES, CONSEQUENCES AND TREATMENT
By Dr. Maurice Brumer, Frankston, 3199, Australia
. . . A succession of practicing optometrists have followed Fournet [a pioneer in the use of the plus lens] to this day, all convinced of this major shortcoming [use of a negative lens] in eye care. They have all been successfully ignored or treated as cranks and heretics, and the issue has remained at this level for 90 years. The clarion cry of the eye care professions has been "show us proof of the relationship of eyestrain and eye disease". I will now demonstrate that no shortage of this proof exists.
At the 1973 annual meeting of the American Academy of Optometry, a paper entitled, "Bifocal Control of Myopia", was presented by Francis Young, Director of the Primate Research Center at Washington State University, and Kenneth Oakley, an ophthalmologist from Bend, Oregon. Their study found that the effects of properly fitted bifocals (eye strain reducing glasses) on young myopes are to drop the rate of progression of this condition from an average of about one half a diopter per year to about on fortieth of a diopter per year. This study involved control and experimental subjects who were matched for age, sex, initial refractive error and duration of wearing bifocals so that most of the possible causes of failure to achieve results with bifocals were controlled.
THE BIFOCAL (PLUS LENS) STUDY
There was a significant number of subjects, 226 in the bifocal group and 192 in the control group, to assure that the results were consistent and effective over time. The effect of the bifocal was uniformly to reduce the rate of progression even in children who had already achieved as much as 4 or 5 diopters of myopia before they were fitted with bifocals. In other words, the control group moved into myopia at a rate 20 times faster than the bifocal (plus lens) group. The implications of such results are obvious and sinister when it is considered that myopia is the third largest cause of blindness in western society.
SERIOUS COMPLICATIONS DEVELOP FROM USING A MINUS LENS
The visual disability in high myopia is usually considerable. I am including this description of the condition as felt by its victims so that you may put yourself in their situation:
Apart from the visual incapacity, the high myope is not usually comfortable in the use of his eyes. When corrected, the small, sharply defined and bright images are annoying; much use of the eyes brings about a feeling of strain and fatigue. The degenerated and liquefied vitreous gives rise to a multitude of "muscae volitantes" and floating opacities, and these, throwing abnormally large images upon the retina owing to its backward displacement, cause a great deal of distress and anxiety to the patient although their actual significance is small. Most of these patients are naturally anxious. Their disability is obvious and may have excited sympathy. The memory of admonitions to care for the eyes lingers into adult life. Thus matters tend to progress slowly and relentlessly, the patient all the while never using his eyes with comfort or without anxiety until finally no useful vision may remain or until the occurrence of a sudden calamity such as a gross macular lesion, a hemorrhage of a retinal detachment brings about a more dramatic crisis. (I thank Sir Stewart Duke-Elder for this description).
The complications of myopia are numerous and grave, frequently resulting in blindness. The degenerative changes appear typically in adult life after the myopia has been fully established for some years.
The complications are:
Choroidal thrombosis and hemorrhage.
Vitreous opacity, always present in some degree in high myopia, this condition may suddenly increase to become a serious complication.
Retinal detachment is the most dreaded and one of the most common complications of myopia, occurring with considerable frequency in all degrees of the defect but showing a progressively greater tendency, the higher the myopia.
Simple glaucoma is a further complication of high myopia, occurring in the higher degrees after mid-life.
THESE PROBLEMS COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED
Few of these people faced with the prospect of blindness in old age realize that their problems actually began in childhood when they were fitted with their first pair of corrective [negative] lenses by someone who was probably unconcerned about the tragic, long-term results of that action. Few of these people realize how their situation became more precarious each time their glasses were strengthened and nothing was said about prevention. Now, when it is too late for prevention, they find themselves in the hands of surgeons who are making their living from someone else's mistakes by trying to patch up steadily deteriorating retinas. The patient has become a lifelong victim of ignorance and exploitation.
THE EYE CHANGES FROM A POSITIVE STATE TO A NEGATIVE STATE AS A RESULT OF CLOSE WORK
The cause of myopia is further clearly indicated in a study of 1200 Eskimos in Barrow, Alaska, published in the American Journal of Optometry in September, 1969, which showed that in one generation of the Eskimo population had moved from no myopia to approximately 65% myopia among the offspring, and that neither the grandparents nor parents over 40 had any myopia.
Thus the first generation between grandparents and parents was similar in that myopia was nonexistent, but in the second generation between the parents and their children, suddenly myopia occurs in a surprisingly high number of children. As a matter of fact, of 53 offspring who were in their early 20's, 88% had myopia. Such a sudden and great degree of change cannot readily be accounted for on the basis of heredity, especially when there has been no identifiable force which could have brought about this obviously considerable mutation in the genetic composition of the offspring.
The obvious difference between the parents and the children is the amount of near work which is currently being done by the children. About the time of the second World War, the white man intruded into their lives, requiring the development of education among a population which was uneducated and illiterate. The Eskimo has become an avid reader because of his environment. While he spends a great deal of time out-of-doors in the warmer, daylight summer months, he spends relatively little time out- of-doors in the cold, dark winter months.
A MASSIVE BODY OF EVIDENCE SHOWS THAT THE EYE CHANGES ITS FOCAL STATE TO MATCH ITS VISUAL ENVIRONMENT
In presenting these studies, I would emphasize that these represent only a small (even if spectacular) part of the evidence available today which demonstrates the blindness and suffering caused by present- day eye care. While continuing to ignore a massive body of evidence, the eye care professions continue to ask to be shown proof that myopia results from excessive close work and that the prescription of corrective lenses causes the myopia to increase more rapidly that it otherwise should. It is assumed from the start that the burden of proof is on us and that we are expected to raise money and conduct endless studies that will somehow convince everyone that we are right. In many cases, this is like trying to convince a tobacco company executive that smoking causes lung cancer. No amount of testing will convince those people who prefer to believe what pleases them most or what is more lucrative to them. . . .
[Dr. Brumer reviewed an exchange of letters with a Dr. Lender (a university optometrist) concerning disagreement about the fundamental behavior characteristic of the eye under experimental test conditions.]
. . . These letters represent a desperate attempt to cover up a tragic and horrible situation. They mislead the public and, significantly, the parliament of my country. They have been unsuccessful in their purpose, however, and the question now lies on notice in the parliament in Canberra to the Minister of Health for Dr. Klugman (opposition spokesman for health) asking him to appoint an inquiry into the matters I have raised.
THE EYE PROFESSION RESISTS CHANGE -- TO YOUR DETRIMENT
The eye care professions have resisted change irrationally and fearfully, unwilling to admit that what has gone on before [the use of a negative lens] has been wrong and harmful, and by doing so they have unleashed on the public they serve a cataract of horror. This continued situation is a tragedy for the public and a disgrace for optometry. While it is understandable that optometrists will not find it easy to admit that what they have been doing is wrong and harmful, especially for those academic university optometrists responsible for the education of our graduates, to preserve the current horrors to protect our professional prestige and privilege is an abdication of our responsibilities, ethics and morality. I can make no apology for causing embarrassment to my professional colleagues. The interests of the public are paramount and must be served. The purpose of this paper is to direct the future to end the disgrace of the past.
REMARKS ON DR. MAURICE BRUMER'S PAPER
Dr. Brumer had previously been denied permission to present his paper at the August, 1977 Australian and New Zealand Association for the Advancement of Science (ANZAAS) Congress because it was too critical of the prevailing method of eye care. The above paper is of interest because of Dr. Maurice Brumer's scientific and ethical commitment to:
Coming to grips with nearsightedness. (i.e., The fundamental behavior characteristic of the eye.) The reaction of other members of his profession. (Extremely critical -- without clear scientific justification.) The reaction of the public to Dr. Brumer's effort to come to grips with the situation. (Nonexistent -- because the public was not clearly informed.) The fact that this understanding (that the plus lens works) existed in 1977, and since then, nothing further has been done to provide pilots with the high quality information they need so that they can take the steps that are necessary to preserve their distant vision for life.
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On Jul 4, 3:09 pm, Jennifer Staple <Jennifer.Sta...@aya.yale.edu> wrote:
> Please Forward Widely > [quoted text clipped - 210 lines] > * Gavin Yamey, MD, MRCP, Senior Editor, PLoS Medicine; Consulting > Editor, PLoS Neglected Tropical Diseases otisbrown@pa.net - 05 Jul 2007 02:38 GMT But of course, these people will ALWAYS EXCLUDE anything that causes them "discomfort".
After all, when Dr. Bates complained that his SUGGESTED methods of vision-clearing were wise, they IGNORED his suggestions and FIRED HIS a.s.
I have no doubt that he would receive the same reaction today.
Here is some review by Don Rehm.
It would be nice if Mr. Rehm were invited to present his concept of PREVENTION.
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THE INTERNATIONAL MYOPIA PREVENTION ASSOCIATION From, "THE MYOPIA MYTH", by Donald Rehm
In 1974 Donald Rehm established an organization to help parents understand and take steps to help their children avoid myopia. He prepared a book that clarifies the various preventive methods available for myopia -- and the reaction of most of the profession to his efforts. Donald describes his effort to persuade the profession to provide you with exact knowledge of the eye so that you might capably choose between these mutually exclusive alternatives.
. . . Since the organizations in the eye care field were telling the public nothing about the true cause of myopia, the idea of forming an organization devoted solely to myopia began to seem more and more necessary. The final decision about forming a myopia prevention organization was made at the 1974 Annual Congress of the American Optometric Association in Washington, D. C.
An important part of such meetings takes place on a large floor where booths can be rented to exhibit optical goods, hand out literature, etc. I rented a booth to give out literature on the latest research on myopia and ways of preventing it. I found that the booth was for the most part ignored by most of the optometrists, although an adjoining booth, where the tinting of eyeglasses was being demonstrated, was usually crowded.
It was obvious that the people to whom we must go with our vision problems were more interested in tinting lenses than in saving sight. They were ignoring everything that had to do with myopia prevention. It was quite clear that pleading with the members of the eye care professions to change their ways was not going to succeed. They would have to be forced to change, and this would occur only after the public was well informed about the real causes and solutions to the problem of myopia.
In 1974, I therefore formed a nonprofit, tax-exempt Pennsylvania corporation, the International Myopia Prevention Association. One of the first tasks I undertook was the publication of a twelve page booklet, The Prevention of Acquired Myopia. This booklet, which was meant for distribution to the public, contained information on the real cause of myopia and what methods were available to prevent it. No booklet of this type had ever been published previously. In the booklet, I also stated the aims of the new organization:
To work for the widespread acceptance of the concept, now supported by numerous studies and research, that acquired myopia is caused by excessive close work and is not an inherited condition. To inform the public, in an impartial manner, about the various methods available for preventing and controlling myopia. To promote periodic testing of the vision of children so that the potential and beginning myopes can be found early when treatment is most effective. To promote the use of proper reading habits and adequate lighting in schools, homes and offices. To maintain a register of eye care practitioners who are interested in myopia prevention and skilled in its techniques. * To assist the public in coming into contact with these practitioners. * To issue a periodic publication to provide a summary of activities and new knowledge in this field. To maintain an advisory board of scientists, researchers, educators, optometrists and ophthalmologists who are involved with the myopia problem and can advise on the activities of the association. To solicit contributions to carry on educational and scientific activities related to myopia prevention." * As the formation of IMPA was announced in various optometric journals (it was ignored by the medical journals), I began to receive letters from doctors around the country expressing their interest in the new organization. The response was greater than I had anticipated and indicated clearly that there did exist an unfilled need for leadership in the area. . . * In a later publication Donald Rehm sadly concluded, "We no longer try to maintain a list of prevention minded eye doctors since there are so few of them."
On Jul 4, 9:33 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> For your information: > [quoted text clipped - 199 lines] > > read more » otisbrown@pa.net - 05 Jul 2007 03:11 GMT And after the symposium, over wine and cheese, we could review the following topics suggested by Mr. Rehm:
THE SCHOOLS OF OPTOMETRY AND OPHTHALMOLOGY which create the ill-educated "experts" who are turned loose on a trusting and unsuspecting public. These schools accept a steady stream of money from the optical industry in the form of "research" grants and other contributions, thus insuring that they will do nothing to upset their benefactors.
As only one example of how the optical industry uses its money to keep the optometric schools under its control, visit the official website of the Schools of Optometry at opted.org and click on Corporate Contributors. Note that even Wal-Mart, the world's biggest retailer, adds its contribution. The deans of these schools, as well as the heads of ophthalmology departments at medical schools, may as well be on the payroll of the optical industry. ALL of the deans at the 17 optometric schools have refused to answer our request for a dialog on myopia prevention.
PERPETUAL RESEARCHERS
who spend their lives applying for research grants and producing worthless research results in order to further their careers. They have no interest in solving the myopia tragedy because then the research money would dry up.
Although methods to prevent myopia are already known, they always claim, "More research is needed."
Examples of this mindless research mania can be found on sites by Karla Zadnik at the Ohio State University College of Optometry and Christine Wildsoet at the University of California at Berkeley School of Optometry.
Somehow it never occurs to these people to merely put a strong plus lens on children for all close work, to totally eliminate focusing effort. Every year, such people meet at an International Myopia Conference to present their totally irrelevant, self-glorifying research.
Look at the nonsensical research topics covered at the 3-day International Myopia Conference in Singapore in August, 2006. While they play their games, the vision of the world's children continues to be destroyed.
EYE "CARE" ORGANIZATIONS such as Prevent Blindness America, American Optometric Assn., American Academy of Ophthalmology, Intl. Council of Ophthalmology, etc. They disseminate vision "information" to the public but are dominated by eye doctors and financed by the optical industry. They perpetuate the myth of inherited myopia and deny the dangers of minus lenses.
OUR SCHOOLS
which teach our children to read but take no interest in ways to prevent this from destroying their vision. In the words of one Florida school district, "Currently, we partner with Lens Crafters, Prevent Blindness and The Lions Club. These groups are very generous in proving optometrical services as well as glasses to students who either failed their vision examination or demonstrate visual problems." The optical industry clearly has gotten its money and its viewpoint into our schools, insuring that they will not tell parents the truth. This makes the schools part of the conspiracy. For more on what schools should be telling parents and students, see preventmyopia.org/schoolprogram.
THE MEDIA which never mention the subject of myopia prevention. Their only interest is pleasing their advertisers and making maximum profits. If they had any concern for the people of the world, they could expose and end this tragedy almost overnight.
The common link between these people is not science or compassion, but GREED. With such a formidable group telling the same lies to the public, where can anyone find the truth? On this website, of course, with over 60 pages of information you won't get from any eye doctor. For these groups to join forces to create hundreds of millions of crippled children is as despicable an act as most of us will encounter in our lifetimes. They are truly an "Axis of Evil." Everything on this website is true. You don't believe this? You don't WANT to believe it? Read further and judge for yourself
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Jeeze, I wonder if these people at Yale would have the guts to invite Mr. Rehm to speak?
Or present a paper?
What are the odds of that happening?
I guess Rehm does not get invited to the wine and cheese reception after all.
On Jul 4, 9:38 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> But of course, these people will ALWAYS EXCLUDE > anything that causes them "discomfort". [quoted text clipped - 210 lines] > > - Show quoted text - otisbrown@pa.net - 05 Jul 2007 03:43 GMT And of course Dr. Stirling Colgate should speak, as part of a second-opinion presentation, as endorcing Steve Leung. See:
http://www.geocities.com/otisbrown17268/SAColgate.html
But, I am certain the "committee" will figure out a way to dis-invite him to speak also -- since he was successful in clearing his vision back to 20/20, after inducing a negative refractive STATE in his eyes.
It would be nice if these people had something approaching an "open mind" on the subject of the natural eye's dynamic behavior. But no one wants to "disturb" the traditional can conventional "thinking" of the last 100 years, now do they?
On Jul 4, 10:11 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> And after the symposium, over wine and cheese, > we could review the following topics [quoted text clipped - 222 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Neil Brooks - 05 Jul 2007 02:45 GMT >For your information: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Been there -- done that. [snip]
Present it to the doctors at the conference, Uncle Otie.
Nobody here agrees with you.
The overwhelming majority of us find you laughable, ridiculous, and likely senile.
You've presented not one single new piece of information in years. You don't discuss. You simply preach.
So ... tell it to somebody who cares .... and/or answer these questions:
www.nbeener.com/NDB_OSB_Qs.txt
Kakuzu - 05 Jul 2007 12:31 GMT > [snip] > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The overwhelming majority of us find you laughable, ridiculous, and > likely senile. Funny how you call him senile, yet you are always engaging him in discussion. Doesn't that pretty much sink you down to his 'pathological' level, eh Neil? What happened to your promise, Neil?
> You've presented not one single new piece of information in years. You > don't discuss. You simply preach. You simply feed the troll!
> So ... tell it to somebody who cares .... and/or answer these > questions: > > www.nbeener.com/NDB_OSB_Qs.txt Wasn't it you who said this, Neil?
"Though it may pain me, and test my resolve, I shan't engage this troll.
Please join me in this effort. Please allow Rishi's (and Otis's) words to echo in the cosmos, unanswered. Eventually, they /will/ go away.
If /I/ can do it, . . . .
Neil "
So why are you, after 3 years, still engaging the troll?
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 05 Jul 2007 12:25 GMT On Jul 4, 9:33 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> For your information: > [quoted text clipped - 199 lines] > > read more » otis, i believe neil brooks suggested that you use the announced meeting to present data to support your point of view about myopiagenesis. it appears that your reply basically was "no-- because someone submitted an abstract to a meeting once a long time ago and it was rejected. you guys will never listen and are a bunch of jerks". i am paraphrasing of course but thats basically what your reply was.
so lets go back to the original point. why don't you, or as qualified a member of your so called "second-opinion" group as there is, submit an abstract to THIS meeting that is scheduled at Yale. i'm sorry that Dr. Brumer's abstract was rejected at some meeting long ago but that doesn't mean that one would be rejected at this conference.
also, and I consider myself to be someone experienced in abstract submission since I do it routinely for ARVO, Neuroscience, AAAO, etc., the abstract that you posted here by Dr. Brumer was TERRIBLE. no doubt it would be rejected. Dr. Brumer appears, as do you, to have a 10-ton chip on his shoulder and seems on the verge of name-calling and arguing. furthermore it doesn't appear that the Dr. Brumer has actually performed any experiments and is presenting any new data. several times I have been called upon to render an editorial opinion about whether an abstract that someone has submitted to a meeting should be considered for acceptance and I would definitely recommend "yes" provided that the author(s) have valuable data to share and that they can explain their data in the context of a current problem in vision science. whether or not it is line with the current thinking in the area is not important in the least-- actually I tend to lean toward inviting people with different ideas as long as they can support them with data and logical thinking. BTW, this is where YOU fall down miserably since every time someone asks you a difficult question that your theories must be able to address if they are indeed valid, you run away. real scientists can't run away Otis.
you, and your so-called "second-opinion" buddies, never produce any data. you just pull out a few observations that you put your own spin on (Eskimos, Asian myopia problem, etc.) and then start telling everyone else that they are nuts unless they agree with what you are saying. indeed, it takes a bit of diplomacy, as well as being a good scientist, to get a forum in the modern research community. and you guys seem to fail miserably on both of those counts. you never present any new data, and instead you want to polarize everyone against you. I predict the future holds for you exactly what the past has-- miserable and continuous failure. you can say it's someone else's fault but it's YOUR fault!
otisbrown@pa.net - 05 Jul 2007 02:48 GMT And of course, a good topic would be the habit of over-prescribing a child by -4 diopters.
And how to handle the mother who "complains" after the -4 diopter over-prescription is detected.
Well that is easy, just tell her:
1. She had a muscle spasm.
2. She will get "used to it".
3. Etc.
But you asked for confirmation for this poor child. So here it is.
Let this symposium discuss this topic -- by second-opinion ODs.
++++++++++
COMMENTARY FROM A CONCERNED MOTHER ABOUT THE NEED TO DO YOUR OWN CHECKING WITH AN EYE CHART AN EXCESSIVELY STRONG PRESCRIPTION?
HOW OFTEN DOES THIS HAPPEN, AND WHAT IS THE LONG-TERM EFFECT AND CONSEQUENCE?
I have retyped this letter from the original and changed the names. Jeanie's daughter started out (at age six) with 20/50. She received a strong minus lens -- even though 20/50 is acceptable for most children. After years of receiving minus lenses stronger than necessary, she received a lens increase from -6.0 to -10.0 diopters. Jeanie's suspicion and response is described in the following paragraphs.
JEANIE BRAVE'S LETTER:
Here are copies of my daughter's eye records and prescriptions. You will never know how grateful I am for you and Mr. Severson. When I stop and think of what could have happened to Shanna had I not found you -- my blood starts to boil. I have come to realize that people never question eye doctors as they do medical doctors. We are all at their mercy and do not even know it. You have my permission to give my telephone number to anyone who you feel needs it.
A CHECK-UP BEFORE SCHOOL
Shanna received the new contacts on August 5. She puts in -10.0 Diopter and is able to see -- she says one mile down the road. I immediately told her to take them out. After begging my optometrist to please give me information to stabilize her vision, he becomes EXTREMELY UPSET.
I then went to the libraries and book stores looking for information but I found only William Bates' name. I then ordered his book. Next I found Mr. Severson and finally you in the back of his book. After reading your books I immediately knew I had the wrong optometrist -- so I nicely asked his assistance in obtaining a -6 Diopter lens for studying.
The doctor reluctantly gave them to Shanna, telling us to use them for STUDYING ONLY. I then confirmed the focal status of Shanna's eye's, by assisting her in checking her vision against the eye chart -- both inside and outside.
8/26/95 20/20 -8.0 RE -7.5 LE
8/26/95 20/100 -6.0 RE -6.0 LE (Provided for reading)
8/31/95 20/40 -6.0 RE -6.0 LE
9/26/95 20/20 -6.0 RE -6.0 LE (See the -10.0 D prescription below)
Since she was seeing so well on 9/26/95, I told her to remove her contacts and then come back outside. Without ANYTHING on she stood 20 feet away and could focus on the 20/70 and 20/50 line for about 2 or 3 seconds -- then she said it would flash or float away.
On Jul 4, 3:09 pm, Jennifer Staple <Jennifer.Sta...@aya.yale.edu> wrote:
> Please Forward Widely > [quoted text clipped - 210 lines] > * Gavin Yamey, MD, MRCP, Senior Editor, PLoS Medicine; Consulting > Editor, PLoS Neglected Tropical Diseases otisbrown@pa.net - 05 Jul 2007 02:59 GMT Yes, a second-opinion section should be part of this Yale symposium. Ya think that is ever going to happen.
Approximately when do you think that hell is going to freeze over?
Perhaps the subject of over-prescribing by -4 diopters should be evaluated -- as discussed below:
COMMENTARY FROM A CONCERNED MOTHER ABOUT THE NEED TO DO YOUR OWN CHECKING WITH AN EYE CHART AN EXCESSIVELY STRONG PRESCRIPTION?
HOW OFTEN DOES THIS HAPPEN, AND WHAT IS THE LONG-TERM EFFECT AND CONSEQUENCE?
I have retyped this letter from the original and changed the names. Jeanie's daughter started out (at age six) with 20/50. She received a strong minus lens -- even though 20/50 is acceptable for most children. After years of receiving minus lenses stronger than necessary, she received a lens increase from -6.0 to -10.0 diopters. Jeanie's suspicion and response is described in the following paragraphs.
JEANIE BRAVE'S LETTER:
Here are copies of my daughter's eye records and prescriptions. You will never know how grateful I am for you and Mr. Severson. When I stop and think of what could have happened to Shanna had I not found you -- my blood starts to boil. I have come to realize that people never question eye doctors as they do medical doctors. We are all at their mercy and do not even know it. You have my permission to give my telephone number to anyone who you feel needs it.
A CHECK-UP BEFORE SCHOOL
Shanna received the new contacts on August 5. She puts in -10.0 Diopter and is able to see -- she says one mile down the road. I immediately told her to take them out. After begging my optometrist to please give me information to stabilize her vision, he becomes EXTREMELY UPSET.
I then went to the libraries and book stores looking for information but I found only William Bates' name. I then ordered his book. Next I found Mr. Severson and finally you in the back of his book. After reading your books I immediately knew I had the wrong optometrist -- so I nicely asked his assistance in obtaining a -6 Diopter lens for studying.
The doctor reluctantly gave them to Shanna, telling us to use them for STUDYING ONLY. I then confirmed the focal status of Shanna's eye's, by assisting her in checking her vision against the eye chart -- both inside and outside.
8/26/95 20/20 -8.0 RE -7.5 LE
8/26/95 20/100 -6.0 RE -6.0 LE (Provided for reading)
8/31/95 20/40 -6.0 RE -6.0 LE
9/26/95 20/20 -6.0 RE -6.0 LE (See the -10.0 D prescription below)
Since she was seeing so well on 9/26/95, I told her to remove her contacts and then come back outside. Without ANYTHING on she stood 20 feet away and could focus on the 20/70 and 20/50 line for about 2 or 3 seconds -- then she said it would flash or float away.
An Excessive -10 D Prescription?
Prescription by Dr. Bob Smyeth, Optometrist, Dated 8/5/95:
[Name changed to protect the guilty.]
Patient: Shanna Brave, Birth Date, 3/2/82:
8/5/85 20/20 -10.0 RE -9.5 LE (Prescription)
In subsequent conversations with Jeanie, she stated that her nine year- old son was just starting into nearsightedness, and that she would do everything in her power to help her son with the proper use of the plus lens -- to avoid the catastrophic situation that had developed with her daughter. Jeanie wondered why this knowledge is not made generally available to the parents of young children.
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YOUR MOTIVATION IS CRUCIAL IN ORDER TO DEFEAT MYOPIA
It is clear that an intelligent, motivated pilot or student can use the plus lens for close work, check his eyes against the eye chart, and clear his vision back to normal.
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On Jul 4, 9:48 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> And of course, a good topic would be the habit > of over-prescribing a child by -4 diopters. [quoted text clipped - 221 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Neil Brooks - 05 Jul 2007 05:08 GMT Gee, Uncle Otie. That was quite a little burst of self-pleasuring there.
You going to have a cigarette now?
Mike Tyner - 05 Jul 2007 11:55 GMT >And of course, a good topic would be the habit >of over-prescribing a child by -4 diopters. First you'd have to find someone in the habit of over-prescribing by 4 diopters.
> And how to handle the mother who "complains" > after the -4 diopter over-prescription is detected. 3. Mom wouldn't let the doctor cycloplege. 4. No that isn't supposed to happen. Let us remake the glasses.
-MT
Neil Brooks - 05 Jul 2007 18:11 GMT > <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > -MT I can't speak for anybody else, Mike, but I get just a bit tired of you using real-world experience, based on years of actual practice in a vain attempt to discredit Otis's fabrications--fabrications that are wholly conjecture, and are designed to bolster a long-ago discredited theory, lies, and faulty logic.
If you don't mind.....
Mike Tyner - 05 Jul 2007 18:17 GMT > I can't speak for anybody else, Mike, but I get just a bit tired of > you using real-world experience, based on years of actual practice in > a vain attempt to discredit Otis's fabrications I do prattle on sometimes. Sorry. :)
-MT
Kisame Hoshigaki - 05 Jul 2007 18:25 GMT > > I can't speak for anybody else, Mike, but I get just a bit tired of > > you using real-world experience, based on years of actual practice in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > -MT Actually, Mike, I kind of like to read the prattle. I have learned a lot from you, not just about vision and opthalmology, but about science in general. In fact, the more I read of your posts, the more I learn! My dream is someday to become a renowned neuro-ophthalmologist; these discussions on sci.med.vision are very interesting to me. So, even though they do become repetitive I would like to thank you nonetheless! ;-)
otisbrown@pa.net - 06 Jul 2007 18:56 GMT Dear Mike,
Subject: PROVEN over-prescription by -4 diopters.
You seem to have MISSED THE POINT!
The mother checked the child's Snellen at 20 feet, and the child read 20/20 THROUGH a -6 diopter lens.
This is basic verification by the mother.
But I am certain you will insist that the mother was too stupid to make the measurement.
Let others judge the -10 diopter prescribed for a child who could read 20/20 through a -6 diopter lens.
You say that ODs do not over-prescribe by 4 diopters.
I say the mother made a correct measurement.
Otis
> <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > -MT Ms.Brainy - 06 Jul 2007 19:18 GMT On Jul 6, 10:56 am, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> Dear Mike, > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I haven't read the mother-and-child story (don't have time to examine all the anecdotal fairy tales), but the question is: Can an over- prescription provide higher acuity? Mt logic suggests that if the answer is "yes", then it's not over-prescription. My experience is that over-rx provides lesser acuity, not better, and the OD will not prescribe it. Without knowing the details of the case, I would doubt the credibility of the mother's claim.
Mike Tyner - 06 Jul 2007 19:40 GMT > I haven't read the mother-and-child story (don't have time to examine > all the anecdotal fairy tales), but the question is: Can an over- [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > prescribe it. Without knowing the details of the case, I would doubt > the credibility of the mother's claim. Young kids have copious ability to accommodate and they frequently over-accommodate in the exam setting. With the extra minus, letters look "blacker" and if they misunderstand testing isn't careful aren't tested carefully, they think this is "better".
The doctor should have caught it, and probably would, once the glasses cause headaches.
But any doctor who "makes a habit" of prescribing excess minus will also be "in the habit" of re-making lenses.
Excess accommodation might hurt, but it doesn't do any harm. Ask any uncorrected hyperope.
-MT
Kisame Hoshigaki - 06 Jul 2007 19:48 GMT Dear Mike,
>With the extra minus, letters look "blacker" and if they >misunderstand testing isn't careful aren't tested >carefully, they think this is "better". Please could you explain this part? I don't understand.
>Excess accommodation might hurt, but it doesn't do any harm. And I don't understand what you mean; if something causes pain then isn't it doing harm?
Mike Tyner - 06 Jul 2007 20:55 GMT "Kisame Hoshigaki" <absolutelyinvincible@hotmail.com>
> Please could you explain this part? I don't understand. It's pretty hard to explain. All it means is that lots of young people choose more minus than is anatomically necessary.
I test every prescription and ask them to confirm that one notch less minus is blurry. Sometimes they lie, and Otis blames me.
> And I don't understand what you mean; if something causes pain then > isn't it doing harm? Tension headaches hurt, sometimes a lot. But after the headache is gone, what "harm" remains?
Menstrual cramps hurt. But two weeks later, what damage remains?
Tic doloreaux is one of the most painful conditions to occur in humans. What harm does it do?
-MT
Ms.Brainy - 06 Jul 2007 21:19 GMT > "Kisame Hoshigaki" <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com> > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > -MT Sometimes pain might even be beneficial, as in "no pain -- no gain." Physical exercise, for instance, might stretch the pain for a few days, but result in developed muscles and/or incereased flexibility. Physical therapy hurts even more, but provides restoration of mobility and healing.
P.S. Higushaki Konsumoki asks extremely idiotic questions, Mike. Please don't waste your valuable energy answering them, and then get hit by his insults and "noise" claims. He is a Batesian, you know, and believes only in relaxation (combined with spiritual palming, sunning and nude bathing).
Kisame Hoshigaki - 07 Jul 2007 12:31 GMT Dear Brainy,
I deeply apologize for my annoying and stupid questions. I know sometimes my teachers at school also get very aggravated with me, because I am always asking them things about everything. The thing is, I have an obsessive personality where I must find out everything possible about a subject, and it is this unending curiosity that sometimes gets me into a lot of trouble! Again, I apologize when I take up your time with my many questions! (I do it too much, I know!) But I am hopeful that my inquisitive nature will be accepted by this group, in which I see that many scientists and great thinkers are participating. Dr.Tyner is no doubt very generous in answering all my silly questions! It is certainly rare to come across men of such brilliance and kindness as is his. His patience never fails to impress me, and I do believe that there are some remarkable geniuses within our community. I can only anticipate my future, when I become a neuro- ophthalmologist, I will with the greatest amount of luck and grace, be as intelligent and knowledgeable as he is.
Kisame Hoshigaki - 07 Jul 2007 13:53 GMT Dear Ms. Brainy,
>Sometimes pain might even be beneficial, as in "no pain -- no gain." >Physical exercise, for instance, might stretch the pain for a few >days, but result in developed muscles and/or incereased flexibility. >Physical therapy hurts even more, but provides restoration of mobility >and healing. A good point you have raised, no doubt, but I do not entirely agree with it being an absolute definite idea. In our society, we have, most unfortunately, come to believe that much effort and hard work is needed for anything worthwhile to be accomplished. It is this concept that I find, in essence, a rather strange hypothesis, and especially when we make a number of simple observations in the world around us.
Allow us to take the example of a piano player (yes, I do know that this is an overused analogy!). If you were to make a few small experiments, I would have absolutely no reservation with the conclusion you would find, which is as follows. The piano player, when he is calm, relaxed, and simply 'going along with the flow', enjoying himself, he is able to produce a masterpiece of work -- that is to say -- his fingers will fly along the keys without effort, carrying out the instructions given to them by the mind, undisturbed, shall we say, by any 'noise' through the nerves along the way. The noise, in this case, we can substitute with the concept of effort, hard work, pain, etc.
Yet, when the very same person is under a strain, or effort -- or dare I say pain -- he will find himself stuttering with the keys, hitting incorrect notes, and making a general fool of himself. Is it not therefore somewhat plausible that we have rather exaggerated our strange fabrication, which has no real basis in foundation ? -
"No pain, no gain."
I think so! It is indeed true that from pain we are able to learn, to proceed, and to progress, from our own pains -- but to say 'no pain, no gain' is, to me, a rather silly statement, the more one considers it!
For it is certain, that in my own case -- when it comes to doing exercise, playing sports, and so on -- that I am able to excel by simply disregarding any pain/effort. Now then, let me make my point of view here a little more clear: pain is *not* required for progress, procession, or experience. So what are your thoughts, Brainy? Agree? Disagree?
-KH
Kisame Hoshigaki - 07 Jul 2007 13:58 GMT Dear pclar,
p.clar...@gmail.com wrote:
> The results of this study do not support the hypothesis > that an overcorrected myope has a lower rate of increase of myopia > than a myope wearing a conventional spectacle correction. I do not understand what you mean here. Are you saying that this study supports the view that: overcorrected myope has a lower rate of increase in myopia than a myope wearing conventional spectacle correction or that: an overcorrected myopia has a *higher* rate rate of increase of myopia than a myope wearing a conventional spectacle correction. The studies appear to agree with the latter view.
-KH
Mike Tyner - 07 Jul 2007 15:24 GMT > I do not understand what you mean here. Are you saying that this study > supports the view that: overcorrected myope has a lower rate of > increase in myopia than a myope wearing conventional spectacle > correction or that: an overcorrected myopia has a *higher* rate rate > of increase of myopia than a myope wearing a conventional spectacle > correction. The studies appear to agree with the latter view. The study says overcorrection doesn't matter significantly, either way.
-MT
Kisame Hoshigaki - 07 Jul 2007 18:32 GMT Oh, now I understand lol!
Kisame Hoshigaki - 07 Jul 2007 20:52 GMT Oh sorry, I think I misread it. Thank you for clarifying, Mike!
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 08 Jul 2007 05:16 GMT On Jul 7, 8:58 am, Kisame Hoshigaki <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Dear pclar, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > -KH wow. i thought the study was pretty clear. the study shows that there is NO DIFFERENCE in myopia progression in human children who were overcorrected with excessive minus lens power versus children who were properly corrected. in other words, using excessive amounts of the "wretched minus" has no impact on the myopia development. to put it another way, excessive minus lens power DOES NOT induce stairstep myopia.
Kisame Hoshigaki - 08 Jul 2007 12:26 GMT On 8 Jul, 04:16, p.clar...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 7, 8:58 am, Kisame Hoshigaki <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > development. to put it another way, excessive minus lens power DOES > NOT induce stairstep myopia. Dear pclar,
I very much apologize, I only skimmed through it very fast when I read it first time round. So I missed the end conclusion LOL. Thx for clarifying. Btw. what do you mean by 'stearsteps' myopia?? (Sorry, I am still a newbie to all this complex stuff. But I am learning lots!!)
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 08 Jul 2007 23:28 GMT On Jul 8, 7:26 am, Kisame Hoshigaki <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 8 Jul, 04:16, p.clar...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > clarifying. Btw. what do you mean by 'stearsteps' myopia?? (Sorry, I > am still a newbie to all this complex stuff. But I am learning lots!!) hello Revival. interesting new persona you are assuming now.
anyway, I was referring to "stairstep" myopia (aka "staircase" myopia). that concept is favored by Otis and his friends and it states that, by giving the eye minus lenses, it will cause the eye to develop myopia even faster. thus, according to otis, the more you correct an eye with minus lenses the faster it will develop even more myopia. unfortunately, the two articles that I cited earlier show that stairstep myopia does not actually occur.
all in all, its just goes to show that its best to rely on statistically-analyzed studies rather than opinions, individual success stories, and stories by old dead eye doctors like raphaelson.
Kisame Hoshigaki - 09 Jul 2007 11:51 GMT Dear pclar,
Okay thank you very much! I understand now.
Kisame Hoshigaki - 07 Jul 2007 12:56 GMT Dear Mike,
>Tension headaches hurt, sometimes a lot. But after the headache is gone, >what "harm" remains? >Menstrual cramps hurt. But two weeks later, what damage remains? >Tic doloreaux is one of the most painful conditions to occur in humans. What >harm does it do? Thank you for your reply -- you make a very good point that I had not considered.
I believe that pain is one of the human body's most intricate systems,.and I admire the system for its ingenuity. I have considered that there are many different types of pain - each with its own form of consequences and similarities. In addition, each sector of pain may be divided into its own classification of grouping. I take your point, Mike -- however, it would be an injustice to claim that because a certain pain shows no relative visible harm, that it may be so easily disregarded, without first considering the so called 'invisible' effects or even its longterm effects.
The types of pain to which I was referring (this is simply a fabrication of my entire concept) may include -
1. Internal pain 2. Mental pain 3. External pain 4. Memory of pain 5. Imaginary pain 6. The anticipation of pain
1, 2, 3, and 5 would obviously be in the present, whilst the concept of numbers 4, and 6 would be either in the past or, in the future. I mention this because, Mike, I remain unsure as to whether you should be disregarding any one type of pain without allowing a further consideration of another. In addition, each type of pain would lead to its own branch of consequences (made up of either another pain in itself, or a harm/damage) - though one may not conceive of the many, and only the singular, clear, obvious damage.
Therefore I do not agree with your implications, that simply because a singular, external pain shows no clear damage, that you have disregarded the many series of consequences that may be visible or invisible to the current instruments used by the medical profession to detect such signs of harm.
P.S. Sorry for my long and boring post, but I just thought I should try to explain why I do not agree with the current medical concept of pain, expectation, and consequence.
-KH
Kisame Hoshigaki - 07 Jul 2007 13:05 GMT Dear Mike,
>Tension headaches hurt, sometimes a lot. But after the headache is gone, >what "harm" remains? >Menstrual cramps hurt. But two weeks later, what damage remains? >Tic doloreaux is one of the most painful conditions to occur in humans. What >harm does it do? Thank you for your reply -- you make a very good point that I had not considered.
I believe that pain is one of the human body's most intricate systems,.and I admire the system for its ingenuity. I have considered that there are many different types of pain - each with its own form of consequences and similarities. In addition, each sector of pain may be divided into its own classification of grouping. I take your point, Mike -- however, it would be an injustice to claim that because a certain pain shows no relative visible harm, that it may be so easily disregarded, without first considering the so called 'invisible' effects or even its longterm effects.
The types of pain to which I was referring (this is simply a fabrication of my entire concept) may include -
1. Internal pain 2. Mental pain 3. External pain 4. Memory of pain 5. Imaginary pain 6. The anticipation of pain
1, 2, 3, and 5 would obviously be in the present, whilst the concept of numbers 4, and 6 would be either in the past or, in the future. I mention this because, Mike, I remain unsure as to whether you should be disregarding any one type of pain without allowing a further consideration of another. In addition, each type of pain would lead to its own branch of consequences (made up of either another pain in itself, or a harm/damage) - though one may not conceive of the many, and only the singular, clear, obvious damage.
For example, allow us to take a case of exaggerated (but plausible) extremity - trauma. A man goes to war and sees his comrade fall at the hands of his own stupidity -- his comrade has been shot down by the enemy. The bullets, which have entered his body, are causing the comrade a great deal of pain and discomfort. The man, on the other hand, has no visible damage or pain (present) yet he does have an anticipation that perhaps the enemy is still lurking around, and as such he fears (the future), whilst the memory of his friend who is now dead brings back much guilt (pain of the past). This is, as I have stated, an extreme and typical case -- nonetheless, we should not ignore the perception. (Isn't it, in scientific terms, called the 'ALARA' principle or something? As low as reasonably achievable. Or perhaps it was the 'precautionary principle', I always forget) :-)
Therefore I do not agree with your implications, that simply because a singular, external pain shows no clear damage, that you have disregarded the many series of consequences that may be visible or invisible to the current instruments used by the medical profession to detect such signs of harm.
P.S. Sorry for my long and boring post, but I just thought I should try to explain why I do not agree with the current medical concept of pain, expectation, and consequence.
-KH
Kisame Hoshigaki - 07 Jul 2007 13:13 GMT Dear Mike,
>Tension headaches hurt, sometimes a lot. But after the headache is gone, >what "harm" remains? >Menstrual cramps hurt. But two weeks later, what damage remains? >Tic doloreaux is one of the most painful conditions to occur in humans. What >harm does it do? Thank you for your reply -- you make a very good point that I had not considered.
I have come to believe that, despite all the annoyances it tends to cause, pain is without one of the human body's most intricate 'warning' systems,.and I admire the system for its ingenuity. I have considered that there are many different types of pain - each with its own form of consequences and similarities. In addition, each sector of pain may be divided into its own classification of grouping. I take your point, Mike -- however, it would be an injustice to claim that because a certain pain shows no relative visible harm, that it may be so easily disregarded, without first considering the so called 'invisible' effects or even its longterm effects.
The types of pain to which I was referring (this is simply a fabrication of my entire concept) may include -
1. Internal pain 2. Mental pain 3. External pain 4. Memory of pain 5. Imaginary pain 6. The anticipation of pain
1, 2, 3, and 5 would obviously be in the present, whilst the concept of numbers 4, and 6 would be either in the past or, in the future. I mention this because, Mike, I remain unsure as to whether you should be disregarding any one type of pain without allowing a further consideration of another. In addition, each type of pain would lead to its own branch of consequences (made up of either another pain in itself, or a harm/damage) - though one may not conceive of the many, and only the singular, clear, obvious damage.
For example, allow us to take a case of exaggerated (but plausible) extremity - trauma. A man goes to war and sees his comrade fall at the hands of his own stupidity -- his comrade has been shot down by the enemy. The bullets, which have entered his body, are causing the comrade a great deal of pain and discomfort. The man, on the other hand, has no visible damage or pain (present) yet he does have an anticipation that perhaps the enemy is still lurking around, and as such he fears (the future), whilst the memory of his friend who is now dead brings back much guilt (pain of the past). This is, as I have stated, an extreme and typical case -- nonetheless, we should not ignore the perception. (Isn't it, in scientific terms, called the 'ALARA' principle or something? As low as reasonably achievable. Or perhaps it was the 'precautionary principle', I always forget) :-)
Therefore I do not agree with your implications, that simply because a singular, external pain shows no clear damage, that you have disregarded the many series of consequences that may be visible or invisible to the current instruments used by the medical profession to detect such signs of harm.
P.S. Sorry for my long and boring post, but I just thought I should try to explain why I do not agree with the current medical concept of pain, expectation, and consequence.
-KH
Kisame Hoshigaki - 07 Jul 2007 13:19 GMT Dear Mike,
>Tension headaches hurt, sometimes a lot. But after the headache is gone, >what "harm" remains? >Menstrual cramps hurt. But two weeks later, what damage remains? >Tic doloreaux is one of the most painful conditions to occur in humans. What >harm does it do? Thank you for your reply -- you make a very good point that I had not considered.
I have come to believe that, despite all the annoyances it tends to cause, pain is without doubt one of the human body's most intricate 'warning' systems,.and I admire the system for its ingenuity. I have considered that there are many different types of pain - each with its own form of consequences and similarities. In addition, each sector of pain may be divided into its own classification of grouping. I take your point, Mike -- however, it would be an injustice to claim that because a certain pain shows no relative visible harm, that it may be so easily disregarded, without first considering the so called 'invisible' effects or even its longterm effects.
The types of pain to which I was referring (this is simply a fabrication of my entire concept) may include -
1. Internal pain 2. Mental pain 3. External pain 4. Memory of pain 5. Imaginary pain 6. The anticipation of pain
1, 2, 3, and 5 would obviously be in the present, whilst the concept of numbers 4, and 6 would be either in the past or, in the future. I mention this because, Mike, I remain unsure as to whether you should be disregarding any one type of pain without allowing a further consideration of another. In addition, each type of pain would lead to its own branch of consequences (made up of either another pain in itself, or a harm/damage) - though one may not conceive of the many, and only the singular, clear, obvious damage.
For example, allow us to take a case of exaggerated (but plausible) extremity - trauma. A man goes to war and sees his comrade fall at the hands of his own stupidity -- his comrade has been shot down by the enemy. The bullets, which have entered his body, are causing the comrade a great deal of pain and discomfort. The man, on the other hand, has no visible damage or pain (present) yet he does have an anticipation that perhaps the enemy is still lurking around, and as such he fears (the future), whilst the memory of his friend who is now dead brings back much guilt (pain of the past). This is, as I have stated, an extreme and typical case -- nonetheless, we should not ignore the perception. (Isn't it, in scientific terms, called the 'ALARA' principle or something? As low as reasonably achievable. Or perhaps it was the 'precautionary principle', I always forget) :-)
Therefore I do not agree with your implications, that simply because a singular, external pain shows no clear damage, that you have disregarded the many series of consequences that may be visible or invisible to the current instruments used by the medical profession to detect such signs of harm.
P.S. Sorry for my long and boring post, but I just thought I should try to explain why I do not agree with the current medical concept of pain, expectation, and consequence.
-KH
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 07 Jul 2007 04:27 GMT > I haven't read the mother-and-child story (don't have time to examine > all the anecdotal fairy tales), but the question is: Can an over- [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > prescribe it. Without knowing the details of the case, I would doubt > the credibility of the mother's claim. you are basically correct with regard to the effects of overprescription in patients middle-aged or older ( approx. >45). excessive minus lens power usually results in reduced acuity along with eye strain, headaches, and possible double vision.
in younger patients however, excessive minus lens power can still result in good acuity although patients still will sometimes complain of headaches, eyestrain, diplopia, etc. Furthermore, young people who are overminused sometimes actually prefer their vision this way because the combination of excessive minus lens power, along with excessive plus lens power which is reflexly added by accommodation within the eye in order to maintain good acuity, gives their visual world a darker, higher-contrast appearance. "young people" refers to those less than ~40 years of age who can still recruit some accommodation to help them see clearly through excessive minus lens power.
and you are right also about eye doctors being careful not to overminus their patients. Otis simple-mindedly believes that eye doctors just crank up the minus lens power on patients excessively. In practice, minus lenses are used primarily in nearsighted patients whose retinal image is not clear because either their eyeball is slightly too long, or their corneal curvature is too steep. Just enough minus lens power is given so that the patient can see clearly.
interestingly, studies have shown that when excessive minus lens power is used in humans, it DOES NOT stimulate further development of myopia as Otis continually claims it does. he knows about these studies yet he will not comment on them and they do not cause him to question his own beliefs whatsoever as they would a truly rational person. Otis is truly an objective thinker, huh? he makes up his mind and then just ignors facts that contradict them.
I have provided the citations and abstracts for those studies below. The studies were undertaken to see if overprescribing minus lenses would be beneficial in the treatment of other disorders aside from investigating whether they induce staircase myopia as Otis claims, yet the data is still relevant and bears directly upon the claims of Otis Brown, Engineer. If Otis were a real man he would comment, but he won't!
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Goss, D. (1984) Overcorrection as a means of slowing myopic progression. Am J Optom Physiol Opt., Feb;61(2):85-93.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra ct&list_uids=6703013&query_hl=3
Thirty-six subjects (18 males and 18 females) ranging in ages from 7.38 to 15.82 years received an overcorrection of 0.75 D over the power required to correct their myopia exactly. These 36 experimental subjects were matched by control subjects selected at random from the files of the Indiana University Optometry Clinics. The criteria used in matching were sex, beginning age, beginning refractive error, and duration of time covered by the record. The mean rate of change of refractive error for the experimental group was (minus indicating increase of myopia) -0.49 D/year (range, +0.37 to -1.95 D/year) on retinoscopy and -0.52 D/year (range, +0.21 to -1.32 D/year) on subjective refraction. The mean rate of change for the control group was -0.47 D/year (range, +0.06 to -2.03 D/year) on retinoscopy and -0.47 D/year (range, +0.28 to -1.72 D/year) on subjective refraction. Rates for the experimental and control groups were not significantly different. The results of this study do not support the hypothesis that an overcorrected myope has a lower rate of increase of myopia than a myope wearing a conventional spectacle correction.
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Arch Ophthalmol. 1999 May;117(5):638-42. Does overcorrecting minus lens therapy for intermittent exotropia cause myopia?
Kushner BJ. Pediatric Eye and Adult Strabismus Clinic, Department of Ophthalmology and Visual Sciences, University of Wisconsin, Madison, USA. bkushner@...
http://archopht.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/117/5/638
RESULTS: At the time of initial examination, the mean (+/-SD) refractive error was 0.00 +/- 1.40 diopters (D) in the control group, 0.00 +/- 1.50 D in the study group, and -0.10 +/- 1.50 D in the 5-year study group, all of which were essentially identical. Five years after initial examination, the mean change in refractive error was -1.40 +/- 2.80 D in the control group, -1.52 +/- 1.80 D in the 6-month treatment group, and -1.54 +/- 1.80 D in the 5-year treatment group. These differences in the change in refractive error (myopic shift) were not statistically significant (t test), and the differences are clinically unimportant. CONCLUSION: Overcorrecting minus lens therapy for intermittent exotropia does not appear to cause myopia.
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RT - 07 Jul 2007 13:41 GMT > The results of this study do not support the hypothesis > that an overcorrected myope has a lower rate of increase of myopia > than a myope wearing a conventional spectacle correction. This wording is kind of tricky isn't? This study was testing the hypothesis that myopes can reduce their myopia by overcorrecting. I haven't seen anyone argue that on this NG.
In fact the experimental group (the overcorrected group) GAINED slightly more myopia (Otis's hypothesis)--the gain was statistically insignificant, but it was a gain nonetheless.
(disclaimer--in support or against no one. just reacting to a post.)
 Signature ~RT
Mike Tyner - 07 Jul 2007 15:22 GMT >> The results of this study do not support the hypothesis >> that an overcorrected myope has a lower rate of increase of myopia [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > hypothesis that myopes can reduce their myopia by overcorrecting. I > haven't seen anyone argue that on this NG. The weird hypothesis could be a novel approach for the sake of pleasing the editors. It's probably difficult to get _another_ paper published that simply says overcorrection does no significant harm.
-MT
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 08 Jul 2007 05:23 GMT > >> The results of this study do not support the hypothesis > >> that an overcorrected myope has a lower rate of increase of myopia [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > -MT some decades ago, myopia researchers thought that supplying excessive minus power in children's glasses may actually reduce myopia progression. this study was undertaken to address that hypothesis. yet the data also bears on Otis' hypothesis that excessive minus lens power actually causes myopia to accelerate.
the truth is, as is demonstrated in the outcome of this study, the use of excess minus lenses has no impact on accelerated OR diminished myopia development. its relevant in the context of Otis' blathering in that is disproves his claims of staircase myopia and it actually does so in experiments performed in humans rather than monkeys where lenses were actually sutured onto their eyelids.
again, Otis refuses to acknowledge this study. either that or he just doesn't understand it.
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 08 Jul 2007 05:09 GMT > In article <1183778848.526528.276...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > -- > ~RT as I said in my post, those studies were originally undertaken for a different reason than to test Otis' overminusing hypothesis. Yet that does not make the data irrelevant to a real-life test, in humans, of Otis' hypothesis about minus lenses causing staircase myopia. The study design is directly relevant-- i.e. it compares a group of children who were intensionally given excessive minus lens strength in their glasses to a group who were refracted precisely without any under- or over-correction. the results show that there was NO DIFFERENCE in the further development of refractive error in the two groups.
whether there was a slight difference in the mean refractive change between the two groups is of ZERO relevance since statistics shows that such a small difference is likely due to individual variabilities, etc. etc. I assume that you understand the basic principles of statistical data analysis. Just like you say in your reply, the gain was statistically insignificant which means that, mathematically-speaking, that's the end of the story. Game over! For all intents and purposes there really is no difference between the two values. And if the experiment were to be repeated again it would be just as likely that the small difference that was observed might come out the opposite way. So, to further beat the dead horse, it means that the difference in refractive change between the two groups is so small that its meaningless-- right! Trying to draw some conclusions from the data, as you seem to be suggesting, ignors the whole reason why statistics is applied to such studies. It's Probability and Statistics 101. Its the way real scientific studies are performed so that issues are not clouded by researcher bias, single case-reports, etc.
Mike Tyner - 06 Jul 2007 19:29 GMT > But I am certain you will insist that the mother was > too stupid to make the measurement. Since I have you to express my opinions for me, there's nothing more to say.
-MT
otisbrown@pa.net - 08 Jul 2007 03:53 GMT Otis> Here is Neil DBG Brooks original post -- to which I typed in these responses:
<Jennifer.Sta...@aya.yale.edu> wrote:
>Please Forward Widely
>Unite For Sight Fifth Annual International Health & Eye Care >Conference >Building Global Health For Today and Tomorrow >April 12-13, 2008 >Yale University, New Haven, Connecticut >http://www.uniteforsight.org/conference/2008 And there you go, Uncle Otie: a perfect opportunity to have your case heard by a willing audience of eye care professionals.
Or would you rather just sit back and launch falsehoods, accusations, lies, myths, accusations, and faulty logic from behind your keyboard??
Neil Brooks
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On Jul 4, 3:09 pm, Jennifer Staple <Jennifer.Sta...@aya.yale.edu> wrote:
> Please Forward Widely > [quoted text clipped - 197 lines] > > read more » Neil Brooks - 08 Jul 2007 04:19 GMT >Otis> Here is Neil DBG Brooks original post -- to which >I typed in these responses: I am NOT David Granet.
You ARE a mentally disturbed moron.
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 08 Jul 2007 05:29 GMT On Jul 7, 10:53 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> Otis> Here is Neil DBG Brooks original post -- to which > I typed in these responses: are you still blathering? you know there is a discussion going on in this very thread which brings into question your whole concept of myopiagenesis being induced by minus lenses. why don't you take a moment and read it and comment. this experiment, which was performed in humans rather than your beloved Young experiment which was done on monkeys, shows that minus lenses have ZERO detrimental effect.
what is your critical evaluation of this paper (Goss et. al)? Or are you going to just cut and run like you always do?
Ms.Brainy - 08 Jul 2007 05:37 GMT On Jul 7, 9:29 pm, p.clar...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 7, 10:53 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > what is your critical evaluation of this paper (Goss et. al)? Or are > you going to just cut and run like you always do? I am amazed, p.clark. Otis has such a nice theory, and all you do is trying to confuse him with facts. Is this fair?
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