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Dr. Bates' Treatment Regarding 'Clear Flashes' and Neuroplasticity
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Alex Eulenberg - 27 Jun 2007 20:56 GMT For these of you who discredit many if not all of Bates' own ideas, you have to keep in mind that he may have made a few contributions not yet founded by our neuroscientists.
First, look at what MRI scans have confirmed about brain wavelengths in Tibetan Buddhist monks when they meditate: http://wanderingvisitor.blogspot.com/2006/02/meditation-and-neuroplas...
It says there, "It demonstrates, he said, that the brain is capable of being trained and physically modified in ways few people can imagine."
How did I run across this discovery? It was in Discover magazine: p. 65, Feb. 2007 issue. Article name: "REWIRING THE BRAIN-A change of mind is now everyone's prerogative By Matthew Blakeslee"
In that article, it states, "Brain scans reveal that the neural activity of highly trained monks is off the charts, relative to meditation novices, in circuits that involve maternal love (caudate), empathy (right insula), and feelings of joy and happiness (left prefrontal cortex). Even when these monks are not meditating, their brains bear the imprints of their psychic workouts....Science, like any other human endeavor, is susceptible to trends and pendulous swings of groupthink. The current vogue is for "neurogenetic determinism," the view that your genes and subconscious are the true, essential shapers of who you are and how you think and behave; the conscious mind is little more than a self-important figurehead along for the ride."
Would this be how you perceive the conscious mind: "little more than a self-important figurehead along for the ride"? Especially when addressing vision?
Do you think you cannot produce 'clear flashes' yourself? Before you dismiss an idea entirely, you need to try it first... and not be spoonfed by the researchers. Great scientists have tesified about how our researchers are being "unscientific". Richard Feynman, who assisted in the development of the atomic bomb, expanded the understanding of quantum electrodynamics, translated Mayan hieroglyphics, and cut to the heart of the Challenger disaster once said, "The experts who are leading you may be wrong....I think we live in an unscientific age in which almost all the buffeting of communications and television-words, books, and so on-are unscientific. As a result, there is a considerable amount of intellectual tyranny in the name of science."
I would say Richard Feynman saying "intellectual tyranny in the name of science" was being polite. I think of science as a religion complete with priesthood, true believers, heretics, etc. Every so often the priesthood in power is over thrown by people with so much proof in their favor they have to be recognized. This is also known as swings of groupthink which Blakeslee mentioned in his article. Also, you have to think about how the "telephone game" can be true when information is passed from researcher to researcher. And how "pressure to produce new information rather than reproduce others' work dramatically increases the chance that errors will go unnoticed." http://amasci.com/miscon/myths10.html
Experience IS the best teacher, not what others tell you. Most people think 'clear flashes' are impossible. To do so is to fully underestimate the mind's capabilities. I've personally had 'clear flashes' without eye tricks like watery eyes, etc, that take my binocular eyesight from 20/40 to 20/13 (confirmed on Snellen eye chart at same time on a clock, standing distance, and lighting condition for both measurements). How can the naked eye physically create such a change in vision without the mind being an active participant? If you see that much more clearly, then you just do... period! Can't really be faked, especially not if you're able to see something like strands of people's hair from 1/5 to 1/4 mile away.
The mind plays an undeniable role in vision, as illustrated through vison orientation (retinal image flipped upside down shortly after birth) and optical illusions. Is it not possible, then, to believe that the brain can be programmed to see things more perfectly, similar to how a tennis player creates what's known as "muscle memory"? But remember... a tennis player will not develop "very good muscle memory" the first day, until the day after that, and then the day after.
Need clear-cut instructions on how to produce a 'clear flash' to verify this for yourself? I was messaging a certain individual regarding a description I had sent to a different individual and this is what I illustrated:
Here's Part 1:
Let me start by explaining that due to the mental component of our eyesight, it is important to address it accordingly in a way that causes the mind to believe it is seeing something differently. How do I consciously produce clear flashes? One way is I imagine anything as being perfect... for example, if you are a myope (nearsighted), look at something up close and remember it as perfect (without straining) as possible. Then look in the distance and close your eyes, and imagine what you just saw up close as being as perfect as possible. Sometimes, it takes timing to catch that "perfect" moment. Then when you open your eyes, while at the same time remembering it perfectly, the world becomes much more pristine all of a sudden. This is known as a 'clear flash'. It's very difficult at first for people to imagine something perfectly. Trying to imagine anything perfectly will most likely not be possible at first.
(*****, it may take time before you get the hang of doing this and start to notice something, but don't be discouraged. It gets easier and easier after you experience even a single instance of such a flash, because you will understand how it is done)... now for Part 2...
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Part 2:
Later on, in reply to what I said in Part 1, the person states he has a different understanding of clear flashes, so I say:
Regarding the clear flashes, you're correct. I was simply giving a primer on how clear flashes could be produced. I wasn't sure if you knew. My clear flashes are usually produced with normal, reflexive blinks, and sometimes I trigger chain effects of clear flashes, such as five blinks in a row in which each clear flash gets better. The goal of clear flashes is to be able to produce them by remembering something perfectly with the eyes open as you've said, just by blinking normally, and the frequency and duration of clear flashes will increase over time until you eventually acquire what I'll call the ultimate clear flash, in which the clear flash becomes permanent.
(*****, you need to start with what I said in Part 1 first. This is because Part 1 is important to be able to get a 'feel' for it first before moving on to Part 2. Good luck!)
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Visualizing something as appearing perfect is simply a way to create mental imprints in the brain (neuroplasticity) to modify our visual acuity, depth perception, and so on. Before you dismiss this entirely, you need to give it a try several times spread over several days and see what happens.
Scott Seidman - 27 Jun 2007 21:21 GMT > For these of you who discredit many if not all of Bates' own ideas, Boy, I know people at the ophth department at IUPUI, so I asked them about Alex Eulenberg, a net loon from the old days of smv, and they regarded him as a real life loon. You could pick a better net personna.
You're just here to kick up the sh.t.
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Neil Brooks - 27 Jun 2007 21:25 GMT > > For these of you who discredit many if not all of Bates' own ideas, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Scott > Reverse name to reply Yup. It's Kazekage/Atchoo again.
Since I'm acquainted with Alex, I forwarded this D-Bag's e-mail TO Alex to let him know. I'm sure Alex will be thrilled to know that our local pre-pubescent troll has stolen HIS identity, too.
Alex Eulenberg - 27 Jun 2007 21:43 GMT > > > For these of you who discredit many if not all of Bates' own ideas, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Alex to let him know. I'm sure Alex will be thrilled to know that our > local pre-pubescent troll has stolen HIS identity, too. Sorry, little Neil...
The Kill-file not working again?
;)
Alex Eulenberg - 27 Jun 2007 21:53 GMT As I understand it, another Alex used to post here. -- but my name is Alex Eulenberg.
And yes, I do know a number of Alex Eulenbergs...
So, uhh... if you wouldn't mind, eh?
Mike Tyner - 28 Jun 2007 00:01 GMT > As I understand it, another Alex used to post here. -- but my name is > Alex Eulenberg. Then why would you spoof as "absolutelyinvincible@hotmail.com?"
-MT
MsBrainy - 28 Jun 2007 00:14 GMT >As I understand it, another Alex used to post here. -- but my name is >Alex Eulenberg. What a coincident! HaBiDoo! Also coincidentally, the post was deleted from sci.med.vision. This world is full of miraculous coincidents, praise Hiroshimo!
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William Stacy - 28 Jun 2007 22:13 GMT So are you not the "original" Alex Eulenberg? from 10-15 years ago here on s.m.v.?
As I recall, that Alex had a position at I think it was Indiana University, maybe in the math dept? Anyway, are you not that Alex? Your posts seem very reminiscent of his. He also started a listserver of some type that used the name I-See or something like that.
w.stacy, o.d.
>As I understand it, another Alex used to post here. -- but my name is >Alex Eulenberg. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Neil Brooks - 28 Jun 2007 22:42 GMT >So are you not the "original" Alex Eulenberg? from 10-15 years ago here >on s.m.v.? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >w.stacy, o.d. No, Doc. I don't think this is the real Alex.
This is some English kid (absolutelyinvincible@hotmail.com) who goes by quite a few aliases (Zetsu, Sashime, Kazekage, WH Bates, Atchoo, et al).
He's basically sad that people are--in his view--attacking Otis, so he tries to come to Otis's defense.
otisbrown@pa.net - 29 Jun 2007 03:25 GMT Dear William,
Subject: The great Alex Eulenberg vs. David Granet debate
Yes, Alex started his own group at:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/i-see/
The debate which ran for several years led to no conclusion, only the idea that a second-opinion would be wise, but that no further actions were to be taken.
It seems that people love to sit on their duff and do nothing, and bame the majority-opinion ODs who is only making it sharp in five minutes.
I mean, why bother with preventive methods at all.
Otis
> So are you not the "original" Alex Eulenberg? from 10-15 years ago here > on s.m.v.? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Dan Abel - 29 Jun 2007 03:38 GMT > Dear William, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > conclusion, only the idea that a second-opinion > would be wise, but that no further actions were to be taken. I suspect that the participants might disagree on your idea.
> It seems that people love to sit on their duff and do > nothing, and bame the majority-opinion ODs who [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Otis p.clarkii@gmail.com - 29 Jun 2007 04:42 GMT On Jun 28, 10:25 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> Dear William, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/i-see/ i went to school at IU. got two doctoral degrees from there. alex is indeed "well-known" there.
and it looks like the i-see discussion group's content has improved somewhat now compared to the quality of postings there a few years ago.
> The debate which ran for several years led to no > conclusion, only the idea that a second-opinion > would be wise, but that no further actions were to be taken. there was no such conclusion. the conclusion was that intelligent, level-headed people just gave up trying to make sense to someone who's mind is already made up and who's perception of reality is something like the next episode of the X-Files.
> It seems that people love to sit on their duff and do > nothing, and bame the majority-opinion ODs who > is only making it sharp in five minutes. well you have to be crowned the chief of the duff-sitters Otis! you spend your day just posting and reposting the same old verbage over and over again where ever anyone lets you. you take no time to read, learn or listen. you just write over and over again "this is what I think", "this is what I think" blah blah blah. once someone points out a logical fallacy in your thinking or asks you to explain yourself in light of proof against you, you just disappear.
the internet is great isn't it Otis-- no accountability for being wrong! Just out of arms reach. Right?
> I mean, why bother with preventive methods at all. agreed. none of them work so why pretend that they do. But maybe if we just "try harder" then the impossible will happen, right? maybe if we rub our shoes together and try real hard we'll make it to Kansas-- right Otis?
Neil Brooks - 29 Jun 2007 05:36 GMT >Dear William, Newsflash: I'm pretty sure that "William" thinks you're insane, too.
>Subject: The great Alex Eulenberg vs. David Granet debate > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >conclusion, only the idea that a second-opinion >would be wise, but that no further actions were to be taken. Only in your demented mind, Uncle Otie.
>It seems that people love to sit on their duff and do >nothing, and bame the majority-opinion ODs who >is only making it sharp in five minutes. I do believe that you're the only one who tends to "bame" [sic] OD's for anything. There's near unanimity that they're quite caring and helpful.
>I mean, why bother with preventive methods at all. Good point.
Didn't do anything for your niece, Joy Benson, now did they?
But preventive methods that ACTUALLY WORK ... now THERE's something to pursue.
otisbrown@pa.net - 30 Jun 2007 04:54 GMT I do believe that you're the only one who tends to "blame" [sic] OD's for anything. There's near unanimity that they're quite caring and helpful.
Otis> Sorry, Neil, that you get so MANY thing WRONG. I agree, in the context of Dr. Raphaelson's statements that you are correct about the majority-opinion OD. IF they would restrict their statements to ONLY 'servicing' THE GENERAL PUBLIC that EXPECTS very, VERY shapr vision is a short period of time.
Otis> But that is a very limited point-of-view concenring the real and PROVEN dynamic behavior of the fundamental eye.
Otis> Obviously OPINIONs vary on this subject. That is why you call then the MAJORITY-opinion.
Otis
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:25:37 -0700, "otisbr...@pa.net" > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > But preventive methods that ACTUALLY WORK ... now THERE's something to > pursue. p.clarkii@gmail.com - 30 Jun 2007 05:22 GMT On Jun 29, 11:54 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> I do believe that you're the only one who tends to "blame" [sic] OD's > for anything. There's near unanimity that they're quite caring and [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > But preventive methods that ACTUALLY WORK ... now THERE's something to > > pursue. Otis > raphaelson blah blah blah
Otis > second-opinion blah blah blah
Otis > stirling colgate blah blah blah
Otis > prevention works, just believe me, just try harder, blah blah blah
Otis > natural fundamental eye blah blah blah
Otis > I'm just like Galileo (maybe Van Gogh) blah blah blah
is anyone listening? does anyone care about me as much as I do?
Neil Brooks - 30 Jun 2007 06:13 GMT >I do believe that you're the only one who tends to "blame" [sic] OD's >for anything. There's near unanimity that they're quite caring and >helpful. > >Otis> Sorry, Neil, that you get so MANY thing WRONG. Start naming them ... after you answer these questions, please:
www.nbeener.com/NDB_OSB_Qs.txt
How's your niece, Joy's, myopia doing? She never wore a minus ... DID wear a plus ... and has a restricted driver's license, now, doesn't she?
Thought so.
Alex Eulenberg - 27 Jun 2007 22:21 GMT > > > For these of you who discredit many if not all of Bates' own ideas, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Alex to let him know. I'm sure Alex will be thrilled to know that our > local pre-pubescent troll has stolen HIS identity, too. In other news:
A google entry for "Neil Brooks" returns approximately 1,440,000 articles.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=neil+brooks&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
Had no idea you were so famous.
And wow, it seems you're quite the athlete!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Brooks
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