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Medical Forum / General / Vision / June 2007

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Yet MORE B.S. from O.S.B.

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Neil Brooks - 19 Jun 2007 14:29 GMT
[QUOTE]Post by "NoBones", AKA "Neil DBG Brooks" or other names."[/
QUOTE]

I don't post in any venue under the name "NoBones."

Neither do I post in any venue under "Neil DBG Brooks" (What the HELL
is that, anyway?  I only have ONE middle name.  I'm not a purebred,
after all).

You are a mentally ill old man in need of institutionalization.

I'm not a doctor, but I'll wager that a thorough exam by competent and
disinterested (the only kind--after talking with you) mental health
professionals would share that conclusion.

More meds, Uncle Otie.
otisbrown@pa.net - 19 Jun 2007 15:53 GMT
Brooks on vision-improvement.

I think it is fair to say that this (Brooks and NoBones) represents
the
majority-opinion -- to the effect that vision clearing is
impossible.

Otis

+++++++++++

>From "No Name -- No Bones":

Anecdotally, I've watched this kind of process for years
(other people's experience with Bates, or other methods of natural
vision improvement).

Anecdotally, I have a strong hunch that Bates method can well
be used to help relieve accommodative spam (a/k/a pseudomyopia).

Anecdotally, I've seen lots of stories of people who relieved
a diopter (+/-) of pseudomyopia, then plateaued. Months of
further diligence yielded no further improvement.

What I would love to see is somebody working with an
optometrist before and during their efforts to quantify and
document their progress in terms of:

Accommodative amplitudes

Near point of focus

Visual acuity

Manifest refraction

Cycloplegic refraction [note: referred to by one poster as
"Deadens the eye. Not fair." Plenty fair, actually. It's how the
line between accommodative and axial-length myopia is drawn."

Other measures of accommodative and binocular function

I promise you that most people just exploring their options
would want to understand their potential for reducing refractive
error (eg, myopia). If they are found to have a 2.00d
accommodative component (ie, tonic accommodation) and 3.00d of
axial-length myopia, and if it's found that the former can be
'treated,' but the latter has not been shown to resolve with
current (non-pharmacological) interventions, then it would help
them to have a good understanding of possible outcomes.

It would also help by facilitating side-by-side comparisons
of the various natural vision improvement methods currently
available.

I find that--in this sense, and others--this pathological
fear-mongering (in regards to eye doctors) by some in the
"community" thwarts any opportunities to prove the concept. In
some cases (to be clear: NOT you, David), I believe that's
exactly why the fear-mongering continues.

If nobody's allowed to measure and document, then nobody can
INvalidate the method.

I've never seen any evidence that anybody's ever changed
their axial-length through vision therapy. I've been looking at
it for quite some time.

====================

Since Neil Brooks declares his is a layman, we must ask how
he is qualified to make ANY of statements or claims.

++++++++++++

> [QUOTE]Post by "NoBones", AKA "Neil DBG Brooks" or other names."[/
> QUOTE]
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> More meds, Uncle Otie.
Neil Brooks - 19 Jun 2007 15:58 GMT
On Jun 19, 7:53 am, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:

> I think it is fair to say that this (Brooks and NoBones) represents
> the
> majority-opinion -- to the effect that vision clearing is
> impossible.

Oh, Uncle Otie.  I speak for me far more accurately than you do
(surprise?)  Maybe you shouldn't try to paraphrase, or speak for,
other people.  When you do, you ... um ... lie.

I represent the position that you're dishonest, incompetent,
illogical, un-scientific, deceptive, fraudulent, and dangerous.

If you wish to mitigate that position, please answer the following
questions:

 http://nbeener.com/NDB_OSB_Qs.txt

Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter.
Mike Tyner - 19 Jun 2007 16:03 GMT
> I think it is fair to say that this (Brooks and NoBones) represents
> the majority-opinion -- to the effect that vision clearing is
> impossible.

It isn't fair and it isn't accurate.

Myopia improves spontaneously all the time.

You want credit for something that happens anyway.

-MT
Deidara - 19 Jun 2007 16:54 GMT
Otis,

I believe it would only be wise for me to explain that Neil is a
rather sensitive old chap. He gets very easily, erm --worked up --
over you. In fact, I think it is safe to say that he *might* have some
sort of a 'crush' on you. Therefore, I would like to ask you to
refrain from hurting his sensitive feelings any longer. For, if his
pathetic moaning will not cease, i fear this newsgroup will be flooded
with his childish moans and the strange noises that tend to fly off
his tongue.

'Tis most sad, I know.
Deidara - 19 Jun 2007 17:34 GMT
Otis,

I believe it would only be wise for me to explain that Neil is a
rather sensitive old chap. He gets very easily, ah -- "worked up" --
over you. In fact, I think it is safe to say that he *might* have some
sort of an "obsession" towards you. Therefore, I would like to ask you
to refrain from hurting his sensitive feelings any longer. For, if his
pathetic moaning will not cease, I fear this newsgroup will be flooded
with his childish moans and the strange noises that tend to fly off
his tongue. 'Tis most sad, I know.
otisbrown@pa.net - 19 Jun 2007 19:02 GMT
Dear Deidra,

Subject: Neil Brooks / No Bones

Notice that I posted NOTHING about this on sci.med.vision.

Notice that Brooks copied my remarks on my site TO this
site.

I only completed the part of the post that Brooks/No Bones
omitted.

But you are correct, Brooks has a screw loose.

Otis

> Otis,
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> with his childish moans and the strange noises that tend to fly off
> his tongue. 'Tis most sad, I know.
Neil Brooks - 19 Jun 2007 19:34 GMT
On Jun 19, 11:02 am, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:

> But you are correct, Brooks has a screw loose.

Oh, Uncle Otie...

If you'd be willing to stop lying, being a hypocrite, and
insulting ... perhaps you could answer these questions for me (us):

 http://www.nbeener.com/NDB_OSB_Qs.txt

I've tried ... for YEARS ... to stick to the issues, but you won't
answer relevant questions.

Could it be that ... you simply haven't a clue?

That's my guess.  What's yours?
Neil Brooks - 19 Jun 2007 19:35 GMT
On Jun 19, 11:02 am, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:

> Notice that Brooks copied my remarks on my site TO this
> site.

By the way, you hypocritical, senile ol' freak: how do you think YOU
got MY remarks TO your website in the first place?

Thanks.
Deidara - 19 Jun 2007 20:03 GMT
>Oh, Uncle Otie...

Again, Neil displays his emotional affection towards Otis in a series
of strange moans/noises. Fascinating.
Deidara - 19 Jun 2007 20:06 GMT
>Oh, Uncle Otie...

Again, Neil displays his emotional affection towards Otis in a series
of strange moans/noises. Fascinating.
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 19 Jun 2007 20:53 GMT
> >Oh, Uncle Otie...
>
> Again, Neil displays his emotional affection towards Otis in a series
> of strange moans/noises. Fascinating.

what-- yet another identity now Revival (or Zetus, or Neil Crooks, or
whatever).
still pretending to be a kid?
 
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