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Strabismus, ARC, Postoperative Diplopia

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kjwook - 18 Jun 2007 21:59 GMT
I'm and adult with alternating consecutive exotropia and am
considering surgery.  My biggest concern is doing anything to
compromise my vision or developing diplopia as a result of the
surgery.

My brief history...

I had infantile/congenital esotropia.  I had 3 childhood surgeries.
The first surgery was before age 1, the second surgery I was 5 and the
third surgery I was 8.  After the first 2 surgeries my eyes eventually
turned back inward.  Weeks after the third surgery I ended up with
constant alternating exotropia.

I have no diplopia now and no amblyopia.  I am myopic but correct to
20/20 in my dominant eye and 20/25 in the non-dominant eye.  I'm in my
mid 30's.

I was evaluated by a pediatric ophthalmologist who is willing to
perform surgery on my non-dominant eye so I can gain cosmetic
alignment.  During the evaluation the PO determined that my primary
means of compensating for the misalignment is via ARC and not
suppression.  Only the smallest prism on the vertical prism bar did
NOT induce diplopia.  All other prism induced diplopia.  The PO said
that statistically I have a higher chance of having post operative
diplopia than someone who suppresses.  I think that with my angle of
deviation most people typically suppress rather than employ ARC.  The
PO feels that if I have postoperative diplopia that it would
eventually disappear.

Because of my concern for developing diplopia the doctor suggested
using a temporary Fresnel prism on my glasses to see if my brain
adapts to the surgical alignment.  I don't know my actual angle of
deviation.  The prism prescription is for 35 diopters.  I believe that
if I adjust to this prism the doctor may be order a stronger prism -
but I may be wrong on this point.  I'm currently waiting to have the
prism applied.

Finally, onto my real question....

In all my reading on ARC, I understand that ARC has allowed me to have
a greater level of binocular vision than someone who compensates
primarily by suppression.  What mechanism will my brain use (ARC vs
suppression) to combat the diplopia post surgery?

My concerns are:

1.  Developing diplopia that does not resolve.  (I know this is a
small risk but there are no guarantees.)

2.  Suppression will be used to combat the diplopia.  If suppression
is used won't I be losing the binocular function that I have today????
otisbrown@pa.net - 19 Jun 2007 03:11 GMT
Dear KjWook,

You might contact the excellent Dr. David Granet
at:

http://eyesite.ucsd.edu/faculty/granet.htm

Or perhaps Neil Brooks will respond since he
has had similar problems, and is the
patient of David Granet.

Good luck,

Otis

> I'm and adult with alternating consecutive exotropia and am
> considering surgery.  My biggest concern is doing anything to
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> 2.  Suppression will be used to combat the diplopia.  If suppression
> is used won't I be losing the binocular function that I have today????
Neil Brooks - 19 Jun 2007 03:30 GMT
On Jun 18, 7:11 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:

> You might contact the excellent Dr. David Granet
> at:

How do you know Dr. Granet?

Have you ever met him?

Why is it that you recommend him?

Is it just so that you can create an opportunity to say SOMETHING??

Thanks.
otisbrown@pa.net - 19 Jun 2007 03:36 GMT
Dear Neil,

Here again, you attack me.

Why not pay ATTENTION to the person asking the
question?

What is wrong with your head?

Now answer this person's question:

1.  When did you get strabismus.

2.  What do you recommend (as a patient).

3.  Do you think she will get diplopia from
this proposed operation.

Otis

> On Jun 18, 7:11 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
>
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>
> Thanks.
Neil Brooks - 19 Jun 2007 03:45 GMT
On Jun 18, 7:36 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:

> Here again, you attack me.

Oh, no, Slick.  Not the case at all.  Just curious why you feel
compelled to offer up something about which you know NOTHING AT ALL.

Putting aside the obvious: that's what you always do.
otisbrown@pa.net - 19 Jun 2007 05:02 GMT
Dear Neil Brooks,

I gave a nice complement to Dr. David Granet.

What? You think he is NOT excellent.

You have this strabismus problem.  Why
not respond to this person, since you
post so much expert advice on
sci.med.vision.

Strut your stuff.

Otis

> On Jun 18, 7:36 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
>
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>
> Putting aside the obvious: that's what you always do.
Neil Brooks - 19 Jun 2007 05:13 GMT
I know everybody else understood what I was asking, and why, but--
since you still don't--I'll try it again:

How do you know Dr. Granet?

Have you ever met him?

Why is it that you recommend him?

Is it just so that you can create an opportunity to say SOMETHING??

Thanks.
Neil Brooks - 19 Jun 2007 05:28 GMT
> On Jun 18, 7:36 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
>
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>
> Putting aside the obvious: that's what you always do.

Oops!  Uncle Otie deleted his post--the one to which this response was
posted.  No matter.  Here it is again:

Dear Neil,

Here again, you attack me.

Why not pay ATTENTION to the person asking the
question?

What is wrong with your head?

Now answer this person's question:

1.  When did you get strabismus.

2.  What do you recommend (as a patient).

3.  Do you think she will get diplopia from
this proposed operation.

Otis
Ms.Brainy - 19 Jun 2007 05:58 GMT
> > On Jun 18, 7:36 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
>
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>
> Otis

If you go to his yahoo group you'll see that half of the messages are
deleted (you can check it by the sequence of message numbering).  It
shows that he is a conscientious person who wants to keep his private
forum clean of junk to protect his young patients from absorbing
nonsense and futility.  However, he is still obssessed with you,
Neil.  You must hurry before his misquotes of you are deleted forever.

But it's a sign that there is hope.  If he continue this way and
consistently delete all his messages -- there and here -- we got the
problem solved!  :-)   :-)   :-)
Neil Brooks - 19 Jun 2007 05:27 GMT
> On Jun 18, 7:11 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
>
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>
> Thanks.

Oops!  Uncle Otie deleted his post--to which I was responding.  Here
it is again:

Dear KjWook,

You might contact the excellent Dr. David Granet
at:

http://eyesite.ucsd.edu/faculty/granet.htm

Or perhaps Neil Brooks will respond since he
has had similar problems, and is the
patient of David Granet.

Good luck,

Otis
Dr Judy - 19 Jun 2007 17:17 GMT
> I'm and adult with alternating consecutive exotropia and am
> considering surgery.  My biggest concern is doing anything to
> compromise my vision or developing diplopia as a result of the
> surgery.

> I have no diplopia now and no amblyopia.  I am myopic but correct to
> 20/20 in my dominant eye and 20/25 in the non-dominant eye.  I'm in my
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> suppression.  Only the smallest prism on the vertical prism bar did
> NOT induce diplopia.  All other prism induced diplopia.  

> Because of my concern for developing diplopia the doctor suggested
> using a temporary Fresnel prism on my glasses to see if my brain
> adapts to the surgical alignment.

> My concerns are:
>
> 1.  Developing diplopia that does not resolve.  (I know this is a
> small risk but there are no guarantees.)

This is a real risk and diplopia is much worse than a cosmetic
exotropia.  If you remain diplopic during the Fresnel prism trial, I
think that surgery is a bad idea.  You may eventually learn to
suppress after surgery but that is a long shot.  And surgery is not
reversible.

Currently you have no diplopia, good acuity in each eye, some
binocular function and a small cosmetic problem.  Only you can decide
if solving the last problem is worth the risk of losing the first
three.

Dr Judy
kjwook - 20 Jun 2007 21:21 GMT
> > I'm and adult with alternating consecutive exotropia and am
> > considering surgery.  My biggest concern is doing anything to
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> - Show quoted text -

Thanks for your opinion "Dr Judy".  I obviously have great concern
about double vision.  Believe me if I can't get rid of the double
vision during the Fresnel prism test I highly doubt I will proceed
with an operation.
Jane - 20 Jun 2007 02:36 GMT
Kjwook, have you considered vision therapy?  I've read that it's
especially effective for correcting exotropia, and it involves none of
the risks of surgery.  I'm a big fan of vision therapy (for some
conditions, anyway).  I was initially considered a poor VT candidate
because I had esotropia (reportedly harder to correct) and a macular
pucker in one eye, but I made rapid progress over a few months.  It
might be worth consulting a vision therapist for an evaluation.

> I'm and adult with alternating consecutive exotropia and am
> considering surgery.  My biggest concern is doing anything to
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> 2.  Suppression will be used to combat the diplopia.  If suppression
> is used won't I be losing the binocular function that I have today????
 
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