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William Horatio Bates - 15 May 2007 18:50 GMT
Please, criticize the Bates Method.

http://www.iblindness.org/forum/index.php/board,6.0.html
Scott Seidman - 15 May 2007 19:16 GMT
> Please, criticize the Bates Method.
>
> http://www.iblindness.org/forum/index.php/board,6.0.html

Why?  A quick google search in the archives does a fine job addressing this
over about 6 or 7 years.  It really isn't necessary to rehash.

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William Horatio Bates - 15 May 2007 19:36 GMT
They have been learning more within these years.
retinula - 15 May 2007 19:50 GMT
On May 15, 2:36 pm, William Horatio Bates <Kyazek...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
> They have been learning more within these years.

how are things in norway kazekage?  how come you post under different
screen names?

in the future, choose names and e-mail addresses that are not so
obviously the same (kyazekage@googlemail.com).

you criticized neil brooks for attacking otis but now you try to spurn
some disagreements yourself. why don't you just look up the history of
the discussions about bates in this NG and in the iblindness forum
that you also post in.  everything is said there.  and the bates
people haven't learned anything new.  its the same old unproven BS.
William Horatio Bates - 15 May 2007 20:07 GMT
Please, voice your arguments on i-blindness.

They will be willing to have completely sensible debates.

Many new people have registered on i-blindness, with completely new
ideas - not the "same old unproven BS".

Please, register yourself on the i-blindness forum.

Start a new topic - whatever criticisms you have - post them.

Give them a chance to prove the validity of what they have chosen to
follow.

That is all I ask.
spammer - 15 May 2007 20:18 GMT
On May 15, 1:50 pm, William Horatio Bates <Kyazek...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
> Please, criticize the Bates Method.

Okay, I'll bite. The only thing that works about the bates method is
that a fool and his money...............................
William Horatio Bates - 15 May 2007 20:30 GMT
spammer,

It would be so much appreciated if you were to start a new topic in
the 'critics and skeptics' forum, the link provided.

You say "The only thing that works about the bates method is that a
fool and his money.......". Tell them, debate with them.

By this means, the people at i-blindness will be likely to view your
post, and try to prove you wrong, and justify their point.

Kind regards,

-W.H. B
spammer - 15 May 2007 21:07 GMT
On May 15, 3:30 pm, William Horatio Bates <Kyazek...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
> spammer,
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> -W.H. B

That would be a huge waste of time. The bates method has been debunked
all over the place, but if people still want to piss their money away
on it, so be it. That's why there are "psychics, tarot readers etc."
all over the place because there are idiots out there supporting them.
otisbrown@pa.net - 16 May 2007 01:59 GMT
Dear William Bates,

Subject:  Success in 1913.  Why not repeat this
success in 2013?

Here is the statement about your vision-clearing, almost
100 years ago.

http://central-fixation.com/batesmed/myopiaprevention.htm

That seems to be the ONLY success of yours.

It seems that the nay-sayers, the NEGATIVE people,
the persons who do not understand scientific truth
concerning the dynamic behavior of the fundamental
eye CONTROL this situation -- adversely.

Why can't we get "organized" and repeat this
success in the year 2013?

What is wrong with us. It should not
be that difficult, if you did it in
1913.

If this success can NOT be repeated, (given REASONABLE
second-opinion people) then
let us fact the fact that the Bates
method does not work.

But there has been too many people defending the
quick-fix method, and too few people intelligently
understanding these preventive methods.

Must we continue with 88 percent myopic entering
universities.

And further, 95 percent myopic with respect
to medical students?  This seems a profoundly
degenerative process.

Otis

On May 15, 3:30 pm, William Horatio Bates <Kyazek...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
> spammer,
>
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>
> -W.H. B
spammer - 16 May 2007 02:28 GMT
As long as Otis says it works, everyone can go home now. :)
Kazekage - 16 May 2007 11:16 GMT
"What is wrong with us. It should not
be that difficult, if you did it in
1913. "

Lol! Otis, that's just his nickname, I don't think he's actually 'William
Horatio Bates' from 1913!!

=D=D=P

Loooooloololollol!!!!
otisbrown@pa.net - 16 May 2007 18:02 GMT
Dear Kaze,

Subject:  Do second-opinion PREVENTIVE methods work?

I believe in giving a man (or ophthamologist) the conditions
he needs to reproduce his success.

Whether you believe PREVENTIVE methods would
work, or not work is not the issue.

The point is that Bates never got a second-chance
to verify vision-clearing from 20/70 to normal.

That process seems to be blocked by the "powers
that be", and the nature of our discussions are
to understand that problem.

I think the posts here by some very dense people
here proves my point.

But if the want to continue to shoot themselves in
their foot -- that is OK with me.

Just one man's opinion.

Otis

> "What is wrong with us. It should not
> be that difficult, if you did it in
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> --
> Message posted via MedKB.comhttp://www.medkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/vision/200705/1
Neil Brooks - 16 May 2007 19:51 GMT
On May 16, 10:02 am, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> Dear Kaze,
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Whether you believe PREVENTIVE methods would
> work, or not work is not the issue.

How about answering a couple of simple, relevant, logical questions,
Otis?

 http://nbeener.com/NDB_OSB_Qs.txt

That's really the issue ... more than anything else: why you can't
defend your theory.

Yup.  That's it in a nutshell.
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 16 May 2007 20:44 GMT
> "What is wrong with us. It should not
> be that difficult, if you did it in
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> --
> Message posted via MedKB.comhttp://www.medkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/vision/200705/1

the poster named William Horatio Bates is Kazekage.  we know that
although otis seems a little confused about it.

Otis, the central fixation link looks like an interesting early
medical publication.  I don't know why the Bates method is not taken
seriously and is not considered "proven" based upon the weight of that
single old publication.  Perhaps you should work to have NEI validate
its value.  Or perhaps you should contact the I See Clearly company in
Iowa and see if they will help you since they have a financial
interest.

Perhaps the reason no one believes it is because of the MASS of people
in whom it fails miserablty.  they just don't post anymore in your
internet website and try something else but in reality the majority of
people who try it fail.  Just check out the "good track record" at I
See Clearly.

Now go do something useful and leave here.  Take your little troll
friend Kaze with you.
 
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