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Converting "Script" to pure Spherical Equivalent
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otisbrown@pa.net - 26 Apr 2007 04:40 GMT Converting a prescription to the power I would need in a regular lens or if someone could figure it out I would greatly appreciate it.
"Sphere", Astigmatism
Left sph -.50 cyl -.75 ax 170
Right sph -.75 cyl -.75 ax 170
To convert take 1/2 the astigmatic part and add it to "sph"
for the Left, then
-0.75 / 2 = -0.375
-0.5 -0.375 = -0.875, Spherical Equivalent
You can round this off to -1.0 diopters.
You prescription is weak, with you Snellen about 20/30 to 20/40.
You can check with your OD to see if this meets your needs.
Otis
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 27 Apr 2007 00:56 GMT On Apr 25, 11:40 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> You can round this off to -1.0 diopters.
> Otis you can also round it down to -0.75.
are you trying to overminus everyone?
why do you keep posting here? you have no academic or practical training in this subject yet you keep posting and even arguing against people who are orders-of-magnitude more credible than you.
otisbrown@pa.net - 27 Apr 2007 02:31 GMT Also, you can "round-down" to -1/2 diopters.
If fact, you might be over-prescribed to a certain extent.
You could check a Snellen and determine your actual visual acuity.
In fact, during your exam you might have developed muscle-spasm myopia, which I am told gradually reduces over time.
Otis
On Apr 25, 11:40 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> Converting a prescription to the power I would need in a regular lens > or if someone could [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Otis otisbrown@pa.net - 27 Apr 2007 02:35 GMT In fact, with a prescription that is almost "plano", you might find that your vision has cleared from the last prescription.
To check, just click on:
http://www.smbs.buffalo.edu/oph/ped/IVAC/IVAC.html
And then click on "Display", and read the chart.
Your vision might be better than your "prescription" might suggest.
Always good to double check these measurements.
On Apr 26, 9:31 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> Also, you can "round-down" to -1/2 diopters. > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > - Show quoted text - p.clarkii@gmail.com - 27 Apr 2007 03:06 GMT On Apr 26, 9:31 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> In fact, during your exam you might have developed > muscle-spasm myopia, which I am told gradually > reduces over time. indeed! anything that you say that has any ring of validity to it would have to be something you have been told since your training is nil and your experience is even worse. go away old troll.
odtobe - 27 Apr 2007 18:16 GMT On Apr 26, 9:06 pm, p.clar...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Apr 26, 9:31 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > would have to be something you have been told since your training is > nil and your experience is even worse. go away old troll. Why would you give this persone the SE? They are not a very good candidate. The cyl power is equal to or greater than the sphere power! They will most likely not like this RX. Also with such little cyl why not Rx it? Edge thickness will not be a problem, and the tolorances for detectable axis change on this little amount of cyl are rather large, maening even if you get the cyl axis within about 15-20 degrees they will be seeing much better than with the spherical eqiv.
otisbrown@pa.net - 28 Apr 2007 03:39 GMT Dear OD-to-Be,
The person asked for an equation to "simplify" a prescription contaning both a spherical component, as well as an astigmatic component.
I provided the correct equation. The person herself must decide whether she prefers a -1/2 diopter contact, or a -1.0 diopter contact, or no contact at all, since her Snellen (naked eye) would be about 20/40.
For most purposes (except for driving a car) she could most likely work with no minus lens at all.
The information is provided. The choice is hers. If she wishes -- she will follow your advice.
Otis
> On Apr 26, 9:06 pm, p.clar...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > large, maening even if you get the cyl axis within about 15-20 degrees > they will be seeing much better than with the spherical eqiv. Neil Brooks - 28 Apr 2007 17:07 GMT On Apr 27, 7:39 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> The information is provided. The choice is hers. If she > wishes -- she will follow your advice. Speaking of providing information ...
Why not provide the information about how you turned your niece into a myope with a restricted driver's license?
As I always say: you can't have it both ways. If you claim to have CAUSED your nephew, Keith's, emmetropia then you must also claim to have CAUSED your niece's myopia.
Full information really IS a good thing, isn't it?
odtobe - 29 Apr 2007 18:28 GMT > On Apr 27, 7:39 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Full information really IS a good thing, isn't it? I'm sorry Otis you're right, information is free and good to give the patient. But I was under the impression that a DOCTOR has a liscense to practice medicine. Shouldn't doctors be in the habit of providing solutions that are going to be the most benifetial to the patient? Also this person is a rather poor CL candidate, at least for softs. Might think about RGPs if the K's look correct, but the SE for a spec lens just doesn't make any sense. They have already chosen the cylinder lenses in the "SUBJECTIVE" portion of the refration, that's generally how an RX is finally determined. I understand that giving a person the SE in a sphere SCL would be nice, BUT NOT IN THIS CASE.
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 30 Apr 2007 04:08 GMT > > As I always say: you can't have it both ways. If you claim to have > > CAUSED your nephew, Keith's, emmetropia then you must also claim to > > have CAUSED your niece's myopia. yes indeed otis! I agree whole-heartedly. if you try to stand-up and lay claim to Keith as being an example of "plus prevention" then you must also stand-up and provide an explanation of why is DIDN'T work for your niece who became myopic despite your treatment! the reason for your niece's failure is that refractive outcomes are not affected in the least by using plus lenses. that result has been proven in multiple scientific studies which you seem to ignor. i'm sure you'll think of some kind of bullcrap excuse, or perhaps you'll just refuse to address the question like you always do when you are proven wrong. a real scientist wouldn't do that, and indeed an honest objective person of any professional background wouldn't do that-- but Otis Brown does. that speaks volumes about your character.
> But I was under the impression that a DOCTOR has a liscense > to practice medicine. Shouldn't doctors be in the habit of providing > solutions that are going to be the most benifetial to the patient? hello odtobe! perhaps you are not familiar with our resident troll Otis Brown, engineer.
Otis believes he is an expert in physiological optics and myopiagenesis even though he has no training, research, or clinical experience in the topic. he claims that he has gained insight into these topics because of a life-long involvement in the field which includes friendships with many experts. in fact, when you check up on his claims by talking to some of these so called "friends", like Dr. Ted Grosvenor, they have never heard of Otis Brown and furthermore they do not believe in any of the outdated concepts that Otis adheres to. curious, is it? Otis likes to name-drop. perhaps once these experts studied the possibility that plus lenses might reduce accommodative strain and minimize myopia development, or that excessive minus lens prescriptions might increase myopia, but being objective men of science they have discarded that theory because it was disproven decades ago. But Otis is stuck in the past and will not accept the pile of research data that clearly demonstrates that myopia development is a little more involved than his simple-minded scheme.
And when you confront Otis with straight-out scientific proof that his theory is wrong he ignors you or either he instead offers an anecdotal story about "Mike" or "Jane" or some such other person he has talked to that relays a personal story that for some reason he holds in higher esteem to real objective scientic studies. in the past, one of his so-called personal success stories actually saw what he was writing and confronted Otis on this newsgroup. He relayed that Otis was misrepresenting his personal experience as proof that plus lens therapy actually worked in his case when in fact the opposite was really true-- his myopia persisted.
yet still, despite public humiliation, otis fights on. he is nothing if not persistent. he tries to describe a difference between "medical" scientific studies and "engineering" scientific studies that is puzzling and ridiculous.
as clueless as Otis is he is actually a kind of fixture around this newsgroup. don't try to reason with him-- his mind is made up and he doesn't want to be confused by the facts.
> Also this person is a rather poor CL candidate, at least for softs. > Might think about RGPs if the K's look correct, but the SE for a spec > lens just doesn't make any sense. They have already chosen the > cylinder lenses in the "SUBJECTIVE" portion of the refration, that's > generally how an RX is finally determined. I understand that giving a > person the SE in a sphere SCL would be nice, BUT NOT IN THIS CASE. actually I am not in complete agreement with this statement. many patients with this low level of astigmatism don't really notice a significant improvement in their VA when you correct their astigmatism. the patient may achieve 20/20- with a spherical correction and get only a slight boost from additionally correcting the cylinder component. sometimes that boost is visually insignificant to the patient. -0.75 cyl just isn't that much.
and it is obvious that RGPs are going to be less successful than disposable SCL. not due to any optical considerations but due to the fact that 80-90% of patients who first put in an RGP and not happy with the comfort of the lens regardless of whether they can see a sharp image or not. trying to fit such a patient in an RGP is a good way to ensure that the patient will not return to your office for their next appointment, or for any appointments, in the future.
in this case I would usually give the patient a trial pair (disposable SCL) of spherical lenses and a trial pair of toric lenses and ask them to compare them at home for approximately a week and then return to my office for a check appointment wearing their favorite pair.
this is just my way of doing it, and what my personal experiences are.
cheers.
otisbrown@pa.net - 30 Apr 2007 05:02 GMT Dear Majority-opinion PClar,
>From long experience with ODs and MDs, I learned to RESPECT the second-opinion regarding the minus.
I understand how EASY it is to impress a person with it.
Be equally, avoiding the minus has a long history.
Here is a recommendation by Dr. David Guyton, about avoiding the use of the minus:
"For my young patients with simple myopia, I suggest they leave their distance glasses off while reading, something I have always done myself. A child who cannot see the board at school, for example, should wear glasses to see the board, but remove them when reading a book or writing."
You keep on insisting that the minus "is perfectly safe", and that is your OPINION. I happen to disagree with your OPINION.
You tell me that a -3 diopter lens has NO EFFECT on the refractive STATE of the fundamental eye. I take your word -- but I run the scientific test.
In fact, when you place a -3 diopter lens on the eye, it will respond by changing its refractive STATE by an averge of -2 diopters in less than six months.
So the subject remain a matter of your BELIEF that a population of natural eyes are NOT DYNAMIC, and the minus is "perfectly safe".
Sorry you are disconnected from the second opinion regarding the proven behavior of the natural eye.
Otis
On Apr 29, 11:08 pm, p.clar...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > As I always say: you can't have it both ways. If you claim to have > > > CAUSED your nephew, Keith's, emmetropia then you must also claim to [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > > cheers. otisbrown@pa.net - 30 Apr 2007 05:15 GMT Here are the scientific facts, RESPECTING the natural eye as a dynamic system:
http://www.geocities.com/otisbrown17268/FundEye.html
I am certain you will invent "stories" to "explain away" these direct scientific facts, to justify your majority-opinion.
But that is exactly why there is a honest second opinion stated at:
www.chinamyopia.org
Scientific honesty would perhaps help the parents understand the necessity of insisting that their children keep their NOSE off that page. That would be the first step in a PREVENTIVE program.
But I truly admit how difficult it is to PRY a child's nose off that page. In fact he induces this negative refractive STATE by actions of that nature.
Best,
Otis
On Apr 30, 12:02 am, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> Dear Majority-opinion PClar, > [quoted text clipped - 130 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Ms.Brainy - 30 Apr 2007 06:00 GMT On Apr 29, 9:02 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> Dear Majority-opinion PClar, > [quoted text clipped - 130 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Otis Dear,
I don't subscribe to the notion that anecdotal "evidence" as a scientific proof, but since you do, here is one:
I got my first eyeglasses when I was 13. They were -1.5D for each eye. I did not use them full time, only when I needed to see afar. I read and did my homework without glasses. My myopia was not cured, and in fact increased. Eventually I wore them almost full time. I had a friend with a similar condition, although she resisted her glasses longer than me (for vanity reasons). Would you suggest that both I and my friend were mutants and the exception to your theory? I must admit that I never used the "plus" because I could read fine without glasses.
You ignored my previous response to your messages, perhaps you can respond to this one?
Neil Brooks - 30 Apr 2007 06:57 GMT > You ignored my previous response to your messages, perhaps you can > respond to this one? Ms. Brainy:
Otis doesn't ever respond to direct questions, particularly those that area legitimate, relevant, coherent, or threaten to highlight his idiocy ... like yours.
As you were....
odtobe - 30 Apr 2007 09:25 GMT > > You ignored my previous response to your messages, perhaps you can > > respond to this one? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > As you were.... p.clar thanks for the update. I have read some of Otis' post in the past, but never had a direct confrontation with him. Thanks for bringing me up to speed. I would have to agree with you regarding RGPs :-), but you can't altogether discount them as a posibillity dispite poor first impressions. However, you are probably correct in that RGPs are considered after SCLs. But hey, I'm still a student, we are a little more optomistic in the educational rhelm.
Thanks, odtobe
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 30 Apr 2007 12:29 GMT On Apr 30, 12:02 am, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:
> You tell me that a -3 diopter lens has NO EFFECT on the > refractive STATE of the fundamental eye. I take your > word -- but I run the scientific test. really? please tell me about the scientific test that you ran. you said that you ran it so tell me how you set it up and tell me the results.
I don't want to hear you rehash an old scientific study run by somebody else on lenses sutured full-time to a monkeys eye (which by the way is animal cruelty). I want to hear about tests YOU ran (just like you said) on humans. Excessive minus lenses HAVE been applies to human eyes and found to have no effect. Its published. Please tell us YOUR results.
> So the subject remain a matter of your BELIEF that a population > of natural eyes are NOT DYNAMIC, and the minus is "perfectly safe". I know what is dynamic about the human eye. You don't. One thing is for sure-- your brain is not dynamic. you are unable to read scientific studies and understand their consequences and limitations.
> Sorry you are disconnected from the second opinion regarding > the proven behavior of the natural eye. really? what is proven about the human eye that supports your opinion (not called the second opinion, but really Otis' personal opinion)?
Mike Tyner - 30 Apr 2007 14:54 GMT > You keep on insisting that the minus "is perfectly safe", and > that is your OPINION. I happen to disagree with your OPINION. No, you disagree with studies that compared children wearing glasses with children who don't. They got nearsighted at the same rate.
> You tell me that a -3 diopter lens has NO EFFECT on the > refractive STATE of the fundamental eye. I take your > word -- but I run the scientific test. Fraudulent assertion. You have not run any tests. Instead, you ignore the scientific tests that HAVE been done.
> In fact, when you place a -3 diopter lens on the eye, it will > respond by changing its refractive STATE by an averge > of -2 diopters in less than six months. Fraudulent assertion. -3 myopes who wear lenses do NOT become -5 myopes in less than six months. When you claim that they do, you sound foolish.
> So the subject remain a matter of your BELIEF that a population > of natural eyes are NOT DYNAMIC, and the minus is "perfectly safe". Strawman argument.
> Sorry you are disconnected from the second opinion regarding > the proven behavior of the natural eye. And you are disconnected from the facts.
-MT
p.clarkii@gmail.com - 01 May 2007 04:09 GMT > <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > -MT Otis-- where are you? Why do you always disappear when its time to answer the hard questions? Tell us about your results. No anecdotal stories, or quotes from famous researchers whom you claim to know but really don't. No putting words in anyone's mouth about "box camera model" or "static eye" blah blah blah. Just tell us the results of your study which shows that -3 diopter lenses cause humans to develop myopia. What journal have you submitted it to? . . . . . . . . . . . . ah . . . Otis? ... are you there?
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