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ublq - 04 Apr 2007 12:08 GMT
Hi there,
I have a prescription around sph -2.50 cyl -1.50 x 105 . I just bought
new polycarbonate rimless glasses with rectangular lenses. Material was
essilor crizal alize 1.59 .

I was a bit disappointed in seeing the thickness of the lenses.
Measuring thickness at the centre of the bottom edge of the lens
measures 2mm, while on the center of the side they measure 4mm (this is
about 3cm distant from the pupils).

My cyl axis is almost vertical, I think this means that the 2mm I am
measuring in the bottom edge should be equal to the central thickness of
the lens (which is not easily accessible without a particular caliper).
This seems a lot to me.

In the position where they had to put the screw nut at the side they had
to partially pierce the lens so that the nut could enter a bit into the
lens (while still staying a bit out of it so that it can be turned),
otherwise the screw at the opposite side would have been too short
(these were sunglasses frames). I might not be able to put my next
lenses there!? Does anybody make longer nuts so that these can enter
like 2mm into the lens and stay 1mm out of it?

A friend of mine has a prescription similar to mine and has very thin
rimless glasses... how can that be? Are there lenses for rimless which
can be thinner than polycarbonate?

Is 2mm central thickness normal? My lenses appear very resistant, I
don't need such a high resistance. Choosing crizal alize I thought I was
choosing something near the top of the line, I am surprised that they
have such a big central thickness.

Thanks for your comments
Mark A - 04 Apr 2007 14:31 GMT
> Hi there,
> I have a prescription around sph -2.50 cyl -1.50 x 105 . I just bought new
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> Thanks for your comments

Crizal Alize is a lens coating, and has nothing to do with the thickness or
other property of the lens. It is an anti-reflective coating that has a
durable and slick surface to prevent scratches (AR is generally very fragile
otherwise) and to make it easier to clean.

Polycarb (1.59 index) is reasonably thin and light with high tensile
strength and high impact resistance, but there are higher index lenses (such
as 1.67) that are thinner, although not quite as easy to drill mount and
somewhat more prone to cracking than polycarb when drilled. Aspheric designs
(the way the lens is ground) may also be thinner than a spherical design.
odtobe - 05 Apr 2007 15:28 GMT
> > Hi there,
> > I have a prescription around sph -2.50 cyl -1.50 x 105 . I just bought new
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>
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When conidering how to make minus lenses thinner I am on board with
Mark. Need to think about getting high index material. 1.74 is
available! Also could consider aspheric designs, but you will probably
get more bang for your buck when getting high index. even small
improvement in index would help you. Take the glasses back to the
retailer and ask what they can do. They should have known better. Also
with a 100 axis your edges on the sides of the lenses are going to be
thicker than the top and bottom.
ublq - 05 Apr 2007 18:11 GMT
Thanks all for your help
It turns out I had a essilor airwear + crizal alize. Airwear should have
center thickness = 1.0mm as it seems from unofficial data from the Internet.

So the center thickness seems to be the best already, and even a higher
refraction index is not going to help that much.

I wrote a formula using some approximation for computing the thickness
at the edges. It should be: (python code)

(((n-1)/d)**2+l**2)**0.5 - (n-1)/d + ct

d is diopter power (float number)
l is distance from focal center in meters
n is refractive index
ct is center thickness in meters

At the sides of the lens I am 0.030 (3cm) distant from the focal center
(I have rather narrow eyes), the d power is 4.0 for me because you sum
the sph and the cyl (cyl has vertical axis), if you put ct=0.001 (1mm)
it comes out thickness = 4mm which is exactly what I measured with the
ruler so the formula seems to work and the center thickness is already
the best available at 1mm.

If you put n=1.74 the thickness at the sides comes out 3.4mm . Not much
an improvement and the cost is way higher.
Mark A - 05 Apr 2007 23:15 GMT
> Thanks all for your help
> It turns out I had a essilor airwear + crizal alize.

Airwear is the name that Essilor uses for polycarb. 1.586 index.
 
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