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cdavis@directflatscreen.tv - 28 Mar 2007 16:17 GMT
These days it seems like doctors prefer to prescribe progressive
lenses instead of bifocals or trifocals. Why is that?
Also, do optometrists adjust or change the cylinder power so that the
add power for each eye can be the same? If so, wouldn't that mess up
the visual acuity to some extent? At least in the distance?
William Stacy, O.D. - 28 Mar 2007 18:03 GMT
> These days it seems like doctors prefer to prescribe progressive
> lenses instead of bifocals or trifocals. Why is that?
> Also, do optometrists adjust or change the cylinder power so that the
> add power for each eye can be the same? If so, wouldn't that mess up
> the visual acuity to some extent? At least in the distance?

The marketplace demands more progressives every year.  Knowledgeable and
ethical fitters will still fit bis and tris along with progs, while
ignorant or unethical ones will only fit progressives, or will push them
when they are not indicated.

No we do not change the cyl to effect equalizing the adds.  That
question really doesn't make optical sense. The only adjustment in cyls
we sometimes make is to reduce it somewhat if we think the full Rx will
present a challenge to the wearer in adaptation.  Some people seem to
not handle full cyl corrections very well, and many don't like any large
changes in their Rxs at one time. And yes, sometimes we sacrafice a
little acuity for perceptual stability.

w.stacy, o.d.
cdavis@directflatscreen.tv - 28 Mar 2007 19:30 GMT
> cda...@directflatscreen.tv wrote:
> > These days it seems like doctors prefer to prescribe progressive
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>
> w.stacy, o.d.

What might account for these prescription changes ( I was 44 in 1996
and I could see close up, it was just the distance I needed corrected,
I do not have diabetes or a thyroid problem):

07/22/04  Prog.  -2.50                +3.00
                       +0.25  -2.00  x167.00  +3.00
             Contact OD  -11.00

04/22/04  Prog.    PL                  +2.25
                  +0.25  -2.00  x167.00  +2.25
             Contact OD  -11.00

02/27/03  Prog.  PL                   +2.25
                        -0.25  -2.25  x161.00  +2.25
             Contact OD  -9.50

01/15/01  Prog.  -7.50  -0.75  x66.00    +3.00   with slab-off
                       -0.50  -2.00  x169.00  +3.00

11/24/98  Prog.  -7.25  -0.50  x65.00    +2.00   with slab-off
                       -0.50  -2.00  x171.00  +2.00

11/01/96  Bifocals  -7.75             +1.25
                       PL  -2.00 x170.00    +1.25

They keep trying to get me to buy smaller frames and lenses but I
don't think that anything smaller than 52x38 gives me a good field of
view.
Thank you for looking at this post.
William Stacy, O.D. - 28 Mar 2007 20:47 GMT
> What might account for these prescription changes ( I was 44 in 1996
> and I could see close up, it was just the distance I needed corrected,
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>                         +0.25  -2.00  x167.00  +3.00
>               Contact OD  -11.00

Is that a soft lens or RGP?  It is apparently too weak.  The -2.50
should have been added to the CL, not to the glasses.  3.00 add seems a
bit high still.

> 04/22/04  Prog.    PL                  +2.25
>                   +0.25  -2.00  x167.00  +2.25
>               Contact OD  -11.00

Looks pretty good. No big change except the increase in myopia.

> 02/27/03  Prog.  PL                   +2.25
>                          -0.25  -2.25  x161.00  +2.25
>               Contact OD  -9.50

Makes sense if you're wearing the CL full time.

> 01/15/01  Prog.  -7.50  -0.75  x66.00    +3.00   with slab-off
>                         -0.50  -2.00  x169.00  +3.00

3 add seems out of line for your age.

> 11/24/98  Prog.  -7.25  -0.50  x65.00    +2.00   with slab-off
>                         -0.50  -2.00  x171.00  +2.00

No big change.

> 11/01/96  Bifocals  -7.75             +1.25
>                        PL  -2.00 x170.00    +1.25

Should have had a slab off in that one too.

> They keep trying to get me to buy smaller frames and lenses but I
> don't think that anything smaller than 52x38 gives me a good field of
> view.

I disagree with you somewhat, because the larger you go, the bigger the
 area of your field that is cut off.  Yes, smaller brings it closer to
your line of sight, but the actual area of loss decreases as the eyesize
goes down; going to the limit and making it a contact lens reduces the
edge "scotoma" to zero.

w.stacy, o.d.
cdavis@directflatscreen.tv - 28 Mar 2007 21:29 GMT
> cda...@directflatscreen.tv wrote:
> > What might account for these prescription changes ( I was 44 in 1996
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>
> w.stacy, o.d.

Those were soft contact lenses BC 8.7. I am not sure why, on those two
prescriptions, cyl. was added while at the same time he backed down on
sphere. When I reached -11.0 in the contact lens he didn't want to
raise it further for fear of damage to the cornea (my eyes continue to
be pronounced "healthy"). I wasn't having problems reading, maybe with
computers, definitely with distance. I wore hard contact lenses and
then RGP's from 18 to about 35 with no problems. I agree with you
about the field of vision. What I meant to say is that in a
progressive lens, when the want to put in an add of 2.5 or 3.0,
because of the rotation of the reading area they always seem to cut it
off when they cut the lens size down. I have a preference toric of  +.
50 -2.25 x170 BC 8.4 that I just love for my left eye. I cannot find a
multifocal for my right eye in the same material that will let me
specify the add power, maybe you know of one? The doctor said it is
not possible to fill my prescription in RGP's so I am back to glasses.
I could wear reading glasses over the contact lens in the left eye but
that is when I was given my present reading glasses of:

Reading  +2.00    -0.50    x20
             +3.50  -2.00  x168    ½    Up

They only make my left eye blurry and my right eye ache from the
strain.
William Stacy - 28 Mar 2007 22:08 GMT
>Those were soft contact lenses BC 8.7. I am not sure why, on those two
>prescriptions, cyl. was added while at the same time he backed down on
>sphere.

Because there was some residual cyl.  The soft sphere does not correct
any astigmatism, unlike your RGPs.

> When I reached -11.0 in the contact lens he didn't want to
>raise it further for fear of damage to the cornea (my eyes continue to
>be pronounced "healthy").

That was a bogus answer.  The difference in thickness is negligible.  If
he was concerned about your cornea, he should have changed you to a more
oxygen permeable lens.

> What I meant to say is that in a
>progressive lens, when the want to put in an add of 2.5 or 3.0,
>because of the rotation of the reading area they always seem to cut it
>off when they cut the lens size down.

Now that is true.  If you must have a progressive, you need to keep some
reasonable vertical dimension to the lenses.

>I have a preference toric of  +.
>50 -2.25 x170 BC 8.4 that I just love for my left eye. I cannot find a
>multifocal for my right eye in the same material that will let me
>specify the add power, maybe you know of one?

No, and the pref. toric  is not a multifocal either.  There is no good
multifocal CL for you unless you want to try something like a tangent
streak RGP.

> The doctor said it is
>not possible to fill my prescription in RGP's so I am back to glasses.
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>
>  

If you are wearing that preference toric, you should not have any cyl in
the left reading lens.  That Rx is for use with no contact lens on the
left eye.

w.stacy, o.d.
cdavis@directflatscreen.tv - 29 Mar 2007 05:54 GMT
> cda...@directflatscreen.tv wrote:
> >Those were soft contact lenses BC 8.7. I am not sure why, on those two
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>
> w.stacy, o.d.

Well, I didn't think that would work but he told me it would be fine.
Since I didn't have the multifocal for the right eye, I needed
something to wear while the contact lens was in my left. I just need
the multifocal for the right eye, maybe PL with an add of +2.50, not
toric. I need a toric for the left but no add. I am not sure of the
optical mechanism whereby I can read but not see the street signs so
they give me a reading add, although I am old enough now that I
probably need some now.
These are my K's:
44.37    x0    44.37    x0    7.61mm    7.61mm
43.25    x175    45.50    x85    7.80mm    7.42mm

The K's in my right eye have been measured several times by more than
one person and machine and that is what they get.

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